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i been burning cotton every once in a while,
some say its normal specially on higher temps
any one with the same experince?

it maybe my build or the temp.
i vape around 500-600f @60watts

like a really nice warm vape,nee dio i hit temp protection warnings
well i do sometimes,but only on NI mode,(using ti coils)around 380f@60w
which is a nice wwarm vape

anyone having the same experience?
Lower your wattage. You don't need that high a wattage to very quickly (well less than a second) reach those temps. The initial power surge could be what is burning your wick.

I'd also suggest using Ti mode for Ti coils. It is very accurate on this device.

Beyond that, if you are still burning, it is probably your wicking technique. Try more or less wick, or longer or shorter tails. (You didn't mention what kind of atty or coils.) A wet wick does not burn.
 
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Lower your wattage. You don't need that high a wattage to very quickly (well less than a second) reach those temps. The initial power surge could be what is burning your wick.

I'd also suggest using Ti mode for Ti coils. It is very accurate on this device.

Beyond that, if you are still burning, it is probably your wicking technique. Try more or less wick, or longer or shorter tails. (You didn't mention what kind of atty or coils.) A wet wick does not burn.

local atty(pinatubo atty,tripoled,)
dual coil sleeper build,ohms out to about 0.17
what wattage to do set in?

wicking will try to experiment on those again,been a while since i cahnged the way i wick,thanks for the reminder.
 

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i been burning cotton every once in a while,
some say its normal specially on higher temps
any one with the same experince?

it maybe my build or the temp.
i vape around 500-600f @60watts

like a really nice warm vape,nee dio i hit temp protection warnings
well i do sometimes,but only on NI mode,(using ti coils)around 380f@60w
which is a nice wwarm vape

anyone having the same experience?

If the 410f/205 setting is correct (I personally believe it is as per my video) you shouldn't get any kind of burn below these temps.
I wouldn't set the wattage that high, it's not really necessary as the VTC will hit 410 almost straight away at 25 to 30watts.
 

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If the 410f/205 setting is correct (I personally believe it is as per my video) you shouldn't get any kind of burn below these temps.
I wouldn't set the wattage that high, it's not really necessary as the VTC will hit 410 almost straight away at 25 to 30watts.

thanks will try these settings,.
anything for a bit higher?

410 is a bit cold for me... :(
 
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local atty(pinatubo atty,tripoled,)
dual coil sleeper build,ohms out to about 0.17
what wattage to do set in?

wicking will try to experiment on those again,been a while since i cahnged the way i wick,thanks for the reminder.
You would probably have better luck simplifying your build. When you use multiple coils with TC if they are not perfectly balanced one coil can get much hotter than the other as the resistance changes.
 
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You would probably have better luck simplifying your build. When you use multiple coils with TC if they are not perfectly balanced one coil can get much hotter than the other as the resistance changes.

yup noticed that ,
and i thought i was mad,because when i pulsed it (6watts)
they emit an even glow.

ok so single coils it is,2 plys?
wjust worried if it buidl the single coild the warmth will be harder to achieve,

sorry for the noob questions,
still new to this tc thing,and still elarning how to build stuff.
 
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yup noticed that ,
and i thought i was mad,because when i pulsed it (6watts)
they emit an even glow.

ok so single coils it is,2 plys?
wjust worried if it buidl the single coild the warmth will be harder to achieve,

sorry for the noob questions,
still new to this tc thing,and still elarning how to build stuff.

I hope that's not an even glow with Nickel or Ti - not good for you my friend!
I normally vape at 460 with the VTC - there's no burning once your coil is properly saturated.
 

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I hope that's not an even glow with Nickel or Ti - not good for you my friend!
I normally vape at 460 with the VTC - there's no burning once your coil is properly saturated.

even glow on ti :)
made sure that they glowed evenly beofre i wicked them,on the process of coil building.
followed a guide,said it was ok to pulse but on lower watts 6-7watts and not a bright glow.,
a very dim red glow which is only visible on a dark room
my coils were blue prior to wicking

(now they are black,should i rebuild already?)
 
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even glow on ti :)
made sure that they glowed evenly beofre i wicked them,on the process of coil building.
followed a guide,said it was ok to pulse but on lower watts 6-7watts and not a bright glow.,
a very dim red glow which is only visible on a dark room
my coils were blue prior to wicking

(now they are black,should i rebuild already?)

Please stop doing this immediately!
Heating Titanium to this point creates something known as Titanium dioxide which is toxic and a carcinogen - don't dry burn Titanium!
 

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Please stop doing this immediately!
Heating Titanium to this point creates something known as Titanium dioxide which is toxic and a carcinogen - don't dry burn Titanium!

dont worry i am not dry burning them,i only pulsed them when i was building my coils.
and the guide came from here at ecf and several sites as well.
its fine to pulse them iof youre building the coil and tuning them,as long as they stay blue(astleast thats how i understood it)
 
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dont worry i am not dry burning them,i only pulsed them when i was building my coils.
and the guide came from here at ecf and several sites as well.
its fine to pulse them iof youre building the coil and tuning them,as long as they stay blue(astleast thats how i understood it)
You're correct. I believe the temp at which ti dioxide is produced is around 1300 degrees f. So in temp mode or at 5to8 watts you shouldn't see any white ti di oxide on your coils. Blue is fine. White is not. Rule of thumb is to pulse until WARM not hot and make adjustments quickly. Blue as a final product means you're doing it correctly! Another advantage over ni if you ask me.
 

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Please stop doing this immediately!
Heating Titanium to this point creates something known as Titanium dioxide which is toxic and a carcinogen - don't dry burn Titanium!
It's even only a mild lung irritant, however doing it over time it could likely become toxic. That is if you are even producing it at all. Knowing your limits of temp and wattage when dry, it should be completely safe. Having said all of this, not much research has been done. This is what we know so far.
 

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Here's a test I did using the same temp with a locked .17ohm nickel build - sorry about the focus, you get the idea though!

Minor scorching. Thank you for posting this video hopefully it will clear the air to some people like myself. This was informative as it only scorched your wick even after 10s at 5 watts at an average temp. So locking your atomizer in really does affect the gradient used very much so.
 

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You're correct. I believe the temp at which ti dioxide is produced is around 1300 degrees f. So in temp mode or at 5to8 watts you shouldn't see any white ti di oxide on your coils. Blue is fine. White is not. Rule of thumb is to pulse until WARM not hot and make adjustments quickly. Blue as a final product means you're doing it correctly! Another advantage over ni if you ask me.

yup i had a blue coil after the build,
now after roughly 1week the coils are black,
is this ok?
 

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found it you can dry burn ti coils


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...fe30-coefficient-of-resistance.676506/page-94

"Yes, the whitish-gray powder-like dioxide that develops on an overheated Ti coil should be thoroughly washed off, or better yet, not allowed to develop in the first place. I dryburn my Ti coils at 7w in power mode but my evic has voltage stepdown, some mods don't and will likely over heat the coil quickly in power mode if you're not careful. Read back a few pages on this thread if your mod has adjustable tcr to learn how to dryburn Ti while in nickel temp control mode.
If your tc mod does not have adjustable tcr or step down capability you will have to adjust the wattage all the way down in power mode and use VERY short pulses, just until you see red somewhere, then brushing and rinsing will remove the ash and any dioxides that may have developed. "
 
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yup i had a blue coil after the build,
now after roughly 1week the coils are black,
is this ok?
I honestly couldn't tell you I haven't worked with it YET only seen other people. From what I've heard, just remove wick brush wire with a wire brush or screwdriver or tweezers anything that will scrape the wire and run atty under hot water. Dry and replace wick. Should be good as new. The juice still gunks up just like on kanthal so you will have to de gunk or re build, but ti lasts a long time and shouldn't rust or discolor, after initial pulsing gunking and cleaning, from blue. But like I said no experience w ti or tc. Just been doing a lot of research so I know what I'll be working with. As I plan to make purchases in the near future.
 

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I honestly couldn't tell you I haven't worked with it YET only seen other people. From what I've heard, just remove wick brush wire with a wire brush or screwdriver or tweezers anything that will scrape the wire and run atty under hot water. Dry and replace wick. Should be good as new. The juice still gunks up just like on kanthal so you will have to de gunk or re build, but ti lasts a long time and shouldn't rust or discolor, after initial pulsing gunking and cleaning, from blue. But like I said no experience w ti or tc. Just been doing a lot of research so I know what I'll be working with. As I plan to make purchases in the near future.

cool maybe ill just build a new one for now and do a bit more research,any links you can reccommend?

man,this is the first time i bought first then researched later hahahhahahahhaha
and i thought this temp control thing was going to be easy.

oh well,the road to that elusive perfectvape,

just wondered if cotton sings right about 410ish f of temp
what happaens to those who vape bigger mods @ higher temps
i mean i maybe just dense and dont understand it,

the eivc doesnt have that dry coil warning..
just hits ti proctection warning...
still havent figured out if its just reaching the temp i set (obviously) or its the same as the dry wick warning,
 

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cool maybe ill just build a new one for now and do a bit more research,any links you can reccommend?

man,this is the first time i bought first then researched later hahahhahahahhaha
and i thought this temp control thing was going to be easy.

oh well,the road to that elusive perfectvape,

just wondered if cotton sings right about 410ish f of temp
what happaens to those who vape bigger mods @ higher temps
i mean i maybe just dense and dont understand it,

the eivc doesnt have that dry coil warning..
just hits ti proctection warning...
still havent figured out if its just reaching the temp i set (obviously) or its the same as the dry wick warning,
There's some stuff on YouTube sweetvapes.com has a lot on ti wire and safety, though not much on cleaning. The temp protection is actually limiting your batteries power after the resistance of your coil goes up to your set temperature. When people vape higher they are probably used to the taste differences of a well juiced wick and a barely juiced wick. The device should not singe cotton after it's been wet, unless you vape it bone dry again and keep going. You should notice the difference before it even gets close to singing, no matter your temp. But some devices have a no liquid warning that will not allow the device to be fired. Also won't let you clean your wick and coil to change flavors though. It's kind of a trade off. When it shows temp protection, it's starting to limit power so that it doesn't surpass your set temp.
 

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@zeus01 and @Jesse Wright as you can see James and Turtle stopped replying about this subject. There is no research to prove one way or another in the end for our applications so discussions and assumptions can go at exhausting lengths. The bottom line is that temp control was developed to never exceed vaping at temperatures above certain levels as well as to not allow dry burning. So if you want to disregard opinions of the makers of this technology and listen to basically anonymous and hobbyists opinions anyone is free to do so. However I have a feeling that a lot of the people doing this, not saying you specifically, might be quite disturbed when actual proof from research comes out that any kind of dry burning is worse than no dry burning so please when this happens don't say that no one advised you against dry burning before.
 

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found it you can dry burn ti coils


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...fe30-coefficient-of-resistance.676506/page-94

"Yes, the whitish-gray powder-like dioxide that develops on an overheated Ti coil should be thoroughly washed off, or better yet, not allowed to develop in the first place. I dryburn my Ti coils at 7w in power mode but my evic has voltage stepdown, some mods don't and will likely over heat the coil quickly in power mode if you're not careful. Read back a few pages on this thread if your mod has adjustable tcr to learn how to dryburn Ti while in nickel temp control mode.
If your tc mod does not have adjustable tcr or step down capability you will have to adjust the wattage all the way down in power mode and use VERY short pulses, just until you see red somewhere, then brushing and rinsing will remove the ash and any dioxides that may have developed. "
I agree with this but I think a safer way to do it would be to put your device in ti tc mode (if you have that function) lower watts to 7-10 and set temp at around 500 degrees f. This would ensure you don't reach anything over 500 degrees f which is well below the "danger zone" (insert archer joke here) and still allow your coil to get warm/hot enough to make adjustments. This is how I plan to make my ti builds. You could probably go higher in watts, but I've seen spikes initially before temp protection kicks in that I would want to stay away from. Depends on the device though. All you are sacrificing is a bit of time and battery for a lot of safety AND fine tuning your coil this way.
 
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