eVic-VT mini?

[CorallineAlgae]

I just had the aenemic vape issue with my .27Ω 24 gauge SS build. I don't know what caused the issue, but unscrewing and replacing the tank solved the weak vape problem. I never had the issue with higher ohm builds. All of my other SS coils were above .5 ohms. Could that be related to the issue?

It may just be time to clean the 510 connection. I top filled the Crown tank with the RBA which always makes it leak a little. I have no idea if that has anything to do with it. I'm just glad that removing the tank solved it right away.

 

[crxess]

Reading through the last 10 pages..........

One has to wonder just how many (MAY) have a VTC mini with an issue and how many VTC mini issues are User Error.

I See someone saying - I have no problem now, after Bla Bla Bla - But not explaining why no longer a problem. Magic?

Another post about Changing Battery Type Solving their Problems. Not a Mod issue

*anyone simply Re-lock resistance to see if things cleared up? Asking because I have 3 TC mods<2 nice ones> and Room Temp Variations wreck them on occasion. A quick Re-lock shows Base Resistance has shifted Every Time and Re-locking has fixed the Vape every time.
Warm shift on the D2 is NOT good!!! Vape gets extremely Hot.

Maybe people are more focused on the Mods performance shift than what may be causing it.

The only Real confirmation would Be 2 Known side by side tested under identical conditions. (1) Correct and (1) with suspected issues.

Scope readings<PBusardo> Indicate on wakeup the VTC Mini is doing a lot more han just firing an Atty. Possible probing for critical information and running into conflicts.

wakeup reading 39:14

 

[Bru2basics]

Reading through the last 10 pages..........

One has to wonder just how many (MAY) have a VTC mini with an issue and how many VTC mini issues are User Error.

I See someone saying - I have no problem now, after Bla Bla Bla - But not explaining why no longer a problem. Magic?

Another post about Changing Battery Type Solving their Problems. Not a Mod issue

*anyone simply Re-lock resistance to see if things cleared up? Asking because I have 3 TC mods<2 nice ones> and Room Temp Variations wreck them on occasion. A quick Re-lock shows Base Resistance has shifted Every Time and Re-locking has fixed the Vape every time.
Warm shift on the D2 is NOT good!!! Vape gets extremely Hot.

Maybe people are more focused on the Mods performance shift than what may be causing it.

The only Real confirmation would Be 2 Known side by side tested under identical conditions. (1) Correct and (1) with suspected issues.

Scope readings<PBusardo> Indicate on wakeup the VTC Mini is doing a lot more han just firing an Atty. Possible probing for critical information and running into conflicts.

wakeup reading 39:14

With all due respect I would advise going a lot further back than 10 pages to get a better picture of the original problems myself and others were/are experiancing. The actual anemic vape issue was a whole lot more than user error and even though I appear to have fixed mine along with a few others by a combination of firmware upgrades/tinkering and swearing I can assure you that is was not operating how it was supposed to. I now have 2 side by side and my second device operates out of the box correctly unlike the original.

 

[Kaiser Bob]

I must be one of the lucky ones. Mine has been so consistent it's scary. I have 4 STM that I build my own ni200 coils .14-.15 and 2 Morph tanks that I run occ ni200 coils .15 the device pegs them all at a .13-.14 baseline and never budged even unlocked and after sleep. Pick it up vape 25watts 470-500 degrees same beautiful vape every time I'm really loving this device even more than my dna40's


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Glad you're having a good experience with your VTC, it's a great little mod. I am getting good stable performance out of my .15 Ni coils once they locked in at .13 ohms, before that I'd get the anemic vape issues when the resistance would drop and stick on .12 ohms.

I've been using the Nebox for a few days with the stock ni coil, long ramp up but otherwise nice little mod, I am spoiled to the VTC as far as the menu and buttons and easy battery swaps. The Nebox buttons and menu feel super 'cheap' compared to the VTC.

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[Bru2basics]

I noticed on the pbusardo review he also talked about different hardware revisions and how joyetech had responded with the "if we change components on the board then we change the revision number". Fair enough that's standard practice but did anyone see which version he had? My first one was 1.03 which had issues then my 2nd is 1.10 which appears to be fine (touch wood). Big jump in numbers between them and I know a few with 1.03 which wernt right so maybe a bad batch that had qc issues?

 

[darkmader]

Shameless...in my opinion...as a new vaper...you're making things WAY MORE complicated than they have to be...thinking about TC, Nickle, SS, coil building, etc.

I've been vaping for 2 years and with my Nauty's (Kanthal BVC coils) on my VTC Mini and Cloupor 50W (just because a Mod has TC...it doesn't mean I have to use TC)...in the VW mode...I get the perfect "cigarette experience"...Throat Hit, Heat and appropriate amount of "smoke".

My suggestion...get a $29 Mod...stick your Nauty (with BVC coil) on it...put it in VW mode...start at 7Watts...and move it up in Watts until you get the "heat" you want.

In a couple months (after you've forgotten all about smoking with your "perfect" vape)...then you can start playing around with TC, coil building, etc.

Joyetech eVic VTC Mini Box Mod - $28.89

Cloupor Mini Plus 50W TC APV Box Mod - $28.99

Just sayin'...

I agree 100%. To jump in the deep end off the bat would be a nightmare. I've been vaping for 4 years now and I finally have a dual coil and some claptons in the mail as we speak as I know what I'm doing, how to make decent coils, and have all the gear that I need.

BTW Fasttech has some awesome leather cases out for the VTC Mini now: $2.53 Authentic Vapesoon Protective Sleeve Case for eVic VTC Mini 60W TC VW Mod - PU leather at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping - I bought the regular one but I'm going to have to pick this up.

 

[crxess]

With all due respect I would advise going a lot further back than 10 pages to get a better picture of the original problems myself and others were/are experiancing. The actual anemic vape issue was a whole lot more than user error and even though I appear to have fixed mine along with a few others by a combination of firmware upgrades/tinkering and swearing I can assure you that is was not operating how it was supposed to. I now have 2 side by side and my second device operates out of the box correctly unlike the original.

I did not say some may or may not have issues. I said the thread is filled with both report of Possible issues and Plain out and out user error.

Now, If a Firmware update fixed an issue - You did nothing, Joyetech did.

If changing to a different Wire TCR corrected an issue - the wrong materials were being used.

If a different Build corrected Coil reading issues - User expectations were incorrect.

Joyetech clearly stated they make component changes as needed if an improvement is found and update Firmware to balance function across the board.

***I won't hear of - I had to upgrade firmware to Fix a problem - when Firmware Updates are for Just such things.***
That would amount to Complaining about a Brake issue on your car while ignoring a recall.

With All due respect - If you can fix it without actually reworking the physical device, it is not the device. Maybe the Firmware or the improper understanding of Spec requirements, but not Physically the device.

If it cannot be corrected - Then it IS the Device.

 

[Bru2basics]

I did not say some may or may not have issues. I said the thread is filled with both report of Possible issues and Plain out and out user error.

Now, If a Firmware update fixed an issue - You did nothing, Joyetech did.

If changing to a different Wire TCR corrected an issue - the wrong materials were being used.

If a different Build corrected Coil reading issues - User expectations were incorrect.

Joyetech clearly stated they make component changes as needed if an improvement is found and update Firmware to balance function across the board.

***I won't hear of - I had to upgrade firmware to Fix a problem - when Firmware Updates are for Just such things.***
That would amount to Complaining about a Brake issue on your car while ignoring a recall.

With All due respect - If you can fix it without actually reworking the physical device, it is not the device. Maybe the Firmware or the improper understanding of Spec requirements, but not Physically the device.

If it cannot be corrected - Then it IS the Device.

I'm not gonna deny that some of the posts in this thread have related to people not understanding the mod or the underlying tech behind it. However throughout the thread every now and then someone will pop up and say "well my device works fine so it must be how your doing it". Like I said read from the beginning before casting judgement.

Traditionally firmware updates are released with a change log so you can see what has been altered but joyetech dont to do this. If a firmware has a fix for a glitch this first of all needs to be recognised by the developer and then the patch given with details on the fix. So like I've said along time back I've no idea if the firmware fixed my issue. I was in the process of disassembing the device to clean up rubbish soldering work on the 510 ground connection and updated before testing. Of course you would know this if you had back read.

If using grade 1 titanium in ti mode is classed as the wrong material then I'm guilty as charged but unfortunately joyetech don't provide the details of which material they use to produce the tcr curves so we're s##t out of luck there. It's not like the dna200 where we can create and upload csv files ourselves. If you develop a closed system and hand it over to Joe public then it has to be right, simple as that.

Coil builds and atty connections had nothing to do with it. It was the Mods inability to read and hold on to a base resistance after it went to sleep. I didn't just happen to wiggle all my post screws loose everytime I put the mod down.

I'm not saying component changes on boards is not common place and there are several reasons. Newer more efficient fabrication processes, supply chain runs out and is sourced elsewhere or even a design spec is changed but more often or not it's caused because somewhere a qc issue is flagged up.

Lastly but not least I completely agree that firmware updates are nessercery to correct problems and if Joyetech had come out and said this is the issue, we're working on it and will provide a fix no one would have complained but instead of that they ignored us and released firmwares without any support documentation. Your analogy is a little off the mark, were not talking about some dodgy ABS sensor on the brakes. This is more akin to the steering wheel coming off in your hands whilst driving it off the forecourt for the first time and the sales rep saying " these quick release steering wheels are all the rage now a days" . But then atleast you would get acknowledged and a recall notice.

 

[Tpat591]

Glad you're having a good experience with your VTC, it's a great little mod. I am getting good stable performance out of my .15 Ni coils once they locked in at .13 ohms, before that I'd get the anemic vape issues when the resistance would drop and stick on .12 ohms.

I've been using the Nebox for a few days with the stock ni coil, long ramp up but otherwise nice little mod, I am spoiled to the VTC as far as the menu and buttons and easy battery swaps. The Nebox buttons and menu feel super 'cheap' compared to the VTC.

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While off topic here I am posting for anyone considering this purchase!



Now that the video has been watched in its entirety, I applaud Daniel for being the only REVIEWER out of the at least 25 or more who have posted reviews on this device to point out that the TC Mode on this device is an almost total failure. I am disappointed and appalled that he did not point out that this condition is DANGEROUS in the hands of an inexperienced user and deserves nothing less than an immediate cessation of manufacturing, a recall of all malfunctioning devices, and a public apology by Kangertech for rushing to market with a device without an adequate QC Program in place.

I feel that Kangertech rushing this unsafe device to market in this manner will unduely expose uneducated users to potential health risks from ingesting chemicals produced by overheated coils and greatly adversely affect the vaping communities fight with legislators all over the world for the unregulated availability of these devices to remain on the market.

When a manufacturer with the worldwide reputation of Kangertech releases an unsafe product to market in this manner with out an immediate recall, it will only provide the FDA, World Health Organizations and Legislators around the world with the ammunition they need to ban the availability of these devices altogether!

 

[stylemessiah]

Anyone who still wants to spout "its user error" frankly just wants to feel superior, i know, because i did that before my own VTC Mini went haywire....so theres that....

It is an issue, its been replicated by myself and others after switching wires/tanks/batteries and firmwares, and replicated consistantly.....so theres that

After being ignored for weeks, yesterday. finally, JoyeTech posted in their own forums the first real response to those who had reported the issue, and that they recognised there were resistance issues with some units....so theres that

I have, despite already having signalled i was returning both of mine, done as i was requested (in trying to resolve the issue for others staying wih the unit) by JoyeTech yesterday in private to help test and resolve the issue. I didnt find my issues resolved.

Regardless of whether they find a fix for it or not, just an acknowledgement about the issue came way too late for me, i like a stress and fiddle free vape life.

I hope their customer service improves in future. Being ignored for weeks is no fun. Vape gear manufacturers need to realise that the days of releasing a new tank/mod every x months and just hoping people will put up with rushed and not sufficiently tested gear must come to an end, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[Tpat591]

Anyone who still wants to spout "its user error" frankly just wants to feel superior, i know, because i did that before my own VTC Mini went haywire....so theres that....

It is an issue, its been replicated by myself and others after switching wires/tanks/batteries and firmwares, and replicated consistantly.....so theres that

After being ignored for weeks, yesterday. finally, JoyeTech posted in their own forums the first real response to those who had reported the issue, and that they recognised there were resistance issues with some units....so theres that

I have, despite already having signalled i was returning both of mine, done as i was requested (in trying to resolve the issue for others staying wih the unit) by JoyeTech yesterday in private to help test and resolve the issue. I didnt find my issues resolved.

Regardless of whether they find a fix for it or not, just an acknowledgement about the issue came way too late for me, i like a stress and fiddle free vape life.

I hope their customer service improves in future. Being ignored for weeks is no fun. Vape gear manufacturers need to realise that the days of releasing a new tank/mod every x months and just hoping people will put up with rushed and not sufficiently tested gear must come to an end, hopefully sooner rather than later.

All the manufacturers be they Joyetech or Kangertech or anyone else in the industry need to realize their actions are not only being scrutinized by the consumer in the community they serve but by heath organizations, regulators and legislators worldwide seeking excuses to carry out their agendas on behalf of the lobbyists filling their pockets to achieve their own goal of banning all unlicensed and approved products from the market all together! At each and every turn all the manufacturers must voluntarily provide unparalleled support and responsible manufacturing and QC standards if we all as a community hope to keep these products available in the future.

It is not a difficult concept to understand, yet....

 

[stylemessiah]

All the manufacturers be they Joyetech or Kangertech or anyone else in the industry need to realize their actions are not only being scrutinized by the consumer in the community they serve but by heath organizations, regulators and legislators worldwide seeking excuses to carry out their agendas on behalf of the lobbyists filling their pockets to achieve their own goal of banning all unlicensed and approved products from the market all together! At each and every turn all the manufacturers must voluntarily provide unparalleled support and responsible manufacturing and QC standards if we all as a community hope to keep these products available in the future.

It is not a difficult concept to understand, yet....

Exactly, its not a good look, especially to anyone looking to legislate against vaping to see pages of comments about unreliable gear. The antis will get free home runs off unreliable (and therefore unsafe to them) gear.

The sooner the manufacturers realise theyre poisoning their own market, and our freedom to vape, by releasing unreliable/unsafe gear, the better.

We dont need a new toy every x months, we need reliable and safe gear.

 

[crxess]

I'm not gonna deny that some of the posts in this thread have related to people not understanding the mod or the underlying tech behind it. However throughout the thread every now and then someone will pop up and say "well my device works fine so it must be how your doing it". Like I said read from the beginning before casting judgement.

Traditionally firmware updates are released with a change log so you can see what has been altered but joyetech dont to do this. If a firmware has a fix for a glitch this first of all needs to be recognised by the developer and then the patch given with details on the fix. So like I've said along time back I've no idea if the firmware fixed my issue. I was in the process of disassembing the device to clean up rubbish soldering work on the 510 ground connection and updated before testing. Of course you would know this if you had back read.

If using grade 1 titanium in ti mode is classed as the wrong material then I'm guilty as charged but unfortunately joyetech don't provide the details of which material they use to produce the tcr curves so we're s##t out of luck there. It's not like the dna200 where we can create and upload csv files ourselves. If you develop a closed system and hand it over to Joe public then it has to be right, simple as that.

Coil builds and atty connections had nothing to do with it. It was the Mods inability to read and hold on to a base resistance after it went to sleep. I didn't just happen to wiggle all my post screws loose everytime I put the mod down.

I'm not saying component changes on boards is not common place and there are several reasons. Newer more efficient fabrication processes, supply chain runs out and is sourced elsewhere or even a design spec is changed but more often or not it's caused because somewhere a qc issue is flagged up.

Lastly but not least I completely agree that firmware updates are nessercery to correct problems and if Joyetech had come out and said this is the issue, we're working on it and will provide a fix no one would have complained but instead of that they ignored us and released firmwares without any support documentation. Your analogy is a little off the mark, were not talking about some dodgy ABS sensor on the brakes. This is more akin to the steering wheel coming off in your hands whilst driving it off the forecourt for the first time and the sales rep saying " these quick release steering wheels are all the rage now a days" . But then atleast you would get acknowledged and a recall notice.

Please feel free to continue reading into my post anything you prefer.

I never said there are no problems.

I said - Sorting out Real possible issues from User caused issues will make realizing any answers to such problems simpler.
Threads get cluttered with sludge, nothing new.
Not sure why you think I should read through 98 pages which contain a lot of Non-information - Got mine - love it/etc., but Pass
Mod Problems should be in their own thread where it is simpler to assist, but that seems to not happen anymore.

Sorry to say - I have not seen ANY real firmware Spec notices from Chinese Manufacturers..............Well, Joyetech sort of made a few comments on the Original eVic updates - which didn't even come close to what changed.
SX Mini Updates never have any useful info
IPV updates have minimal content
It is the way it is done - No Idea Why.

Joyetech Provides a legitimate Warranty>so long as you purchase through proper representative companies.
IF a problem exist , Warranty will take care of such.
If purchased Gray market - No warranty or reason to Hold Joyetech accountable.
Same goes for any Manufacturer with retail sales agreements.

 

[cowfood]

All the manufacturers be they Joyetech or Kangertech or anyone else in the industry need to realize their actions are not only being scrutinized by the consumer in the community they serve but by heath organizations, regulators and legislators worldwide seeking excuses to carry out their agendas on behalf of the lobbyists filling their pockets to achieve their own goal of banning all unlicensed and approved products from the market all together! At each and every turn all the manufacturers must voluntarily provide unparalleled support and responsible manufacturing and QC standards if we all as a community hope to keep these products available in the future.

It is not a difficult concept to understand, yet....

Yeah, electronics... China... People want to pay pennies on the dollar. All this unparalleled support and qc, and standards and more QC == $$$ that said this pretty damn good product, would end up costing $150, and at this stage in the game would be considered outrageous in cost. Hell, this thread wouldn't even exist more than a few pages - mostly people bad mouthing the $150 price tag, saying that's BS etc. Respectfully I disagree on this one, legislators and lawmakers etc have already gotten money to fill their pockets. Maybe it's about voters? er right, votes, that's what counts, not vendors and cheap products, lawmakers care more about the big pharma, tobacco lobby cash flow, but before that, comes re-election and your voice is the only way to sway those dollars. of course cheap china products will be the excuse when the law is made, but the real story is what I just suggested.. write your congressmen, and senators.

 

[Tpat591]

Please feel free to continue reading into my post anything you prefer.

I never said there are no problems.

I said - Sorting out Real possible issues from User caused issues will make realizing any answers to such problems simpler.
Threads get cluttered with sludge, nothing new.
Not sure why you think I should read through 98 pages which contain a lot of Non-information - Got mine - love it/etc., but Pass
Mod Problems should be in their own thread where it is simpler to assist, but that seems to not happen anymore.

Sorry to say - I have not seen ANY real firmware Spec notices from Chinese Manufacturers..............Well, Joyetech sort of made a few comments on the Original eVic updates - which didn't even come close to what changed.
SX Mini Updates never have any useful info
IPV updates have minimal content
It is the way it is done - No Idea Why.

Joyetech Provides a legitimate Warranty>so long as you purchase through proper representative companies.
IF a problem exist , Warranty will take care of such.
If purchased Gray market - No warranty or reason to Hold Joyetech accountable.
Same goes for any Manufacturer with retail sales agreements.

I personally do not believe any manufacturer should have a right under any circumstance to void any end users warrantee no matter where it was purchased or how much was paid for it so long as it is an authentic product manufactured by that company.

Unless you can prove it was part of a stolen shipment that was sold illegally and the end user was aware of that when they made that purchase, or the mod is counterfeit goods, manufacturers should stand behind the warrantee they advertise. If it is faulty, fix it under your uniform policy. Plain and simple.

If you don't want your good sold below a certain price, track your serial numbers to the party that sold the product below your set price and refuse to sell to that party again. End users should not suffer for supply chain abuse.

 

[Tpat591]

Yeah, electronics... China... People want to pay pennies on the dollar. All this unparalleled support and qc, and standards and more QC == $$$ that said this pretty damn good product, would end up costing $150, and at this stage in the game would be considered outrageous in cost. Hell, this thread wouldn't even exist more than a few pages - mostly people bad mouthing the $150 price tag, saying that's BS etc. Respectfully I disagree on this one, legislators and lawmakers etc have already gotten money to fill their pockets. Maybe it's about voters? er right, votes, that's what counts, not vendors and cheap products, lawmakers care more about the big pharma, tobacco lobby cash flow, but before that, comes re-election and your voice is the only way to sway those dollars. of course cheap china products will be the excuse when the law is made, but the real story is what I just suggested.. write your congressmen, and senators.

Yes these things add to costs but unsuspecting buyers of Nebox should not be inhaling ni200 coil matter expelled when their coils burn out while they are vaping due to rattlesnaking TC and Evic VTC users should not have their warranty voided because they shopped around and found a site selling the mod $20 cheaper and bought it there instead.

These are abuses that lawmakers will point out when they ban this equipment. They will be perfectly justified in doing so because irresponsible manufacturers allowed it to happen by committing the abuses in the first place.

Then your China mod will be $150 after they get licensed and approved after spending billions lobbing those public servants we call lawmakers for the privilege . It would be a lot cheaper for them to do the right things now.

 

[crxess]

I personally do not believe any manufacturer should have a right under any circumstance to void any end users warrantee no matter where it was purchased or how much was paid for it so long as it is an authentic product manufactured by that company.

Unless you can prove it was part of a stolen shipment that was sold illegally and the end user was aware of that when they made that purchase, or the mod is counterfeit goods, manufacturers should stand behind the warrantee they advertise. If it is faulty, fix it under your uniform policy. Plain and simple.

If you don't want your good sold below a certain price, track your serial numbers to the party that sold the product below your set price and refuse to sell to that party again. End users should not suffer for supply chain abuse.

Understand what you are implying, but Law has been on their side for decades. Goods gotten through Deceptive means. Everything from Cars to e-cigs and anything in between.
No computer manufacturer will honor warranty if you do not have a Reciept from a legitimate retailer. no different.

****As to your other assertion***
These companies have advanced in technology by leaps and bounds in an attempt to produce what the consumer is asking for, in an incredibly short period if existence.

No different than any other venture in the Past, weaker players will be weeded out, serious manufacturers will continue to develop and become more proficient and the Scam artist will continue trying to steal a slice of the pie.

As to Government - There is no point to prove as they operate with impunity. Their minds were made up over a year ago, their pockets lined and their plan laid out. The only thing the last year has brought about was stalling and Demonizing in the eyes of the uninformed to protect BT/BP while final wording of all documentation was completed,by legal.(Court Avoidance) Final documentation is in committee for pre-release review and Will happen - Not might, Will.
All things FDA operate outside Voter privilege.

 

[sofarsogood]

After reading all the glowing reviews in the last couple of pages I think one of these might be my second TC mod. I've been vaping exclusively on a Kangxin mini with TC since July. Does anybody here have both and able to compare their TC features. So far as I can tell the TC on the Kangxin has been flawless. I'd like the next device to be a bit lighter and have the charging port on the side instead of the bottom. My only hesitation is the TC on the Kangxin is going to be a hard act to follow.

 

[tyzer]

Got my Spider Silk (26g) in the mail the other day. Here's my first Ti build & first ever TC build period. Luckily I haven't had any of the issues some of you guys have mentioned. In the picture you will see the VTC set @ 440°F. I bumped it down to 380°F and that seems to be ideal for this RTA/juice. I take relatively short mouth to lung hits ~2s and don't often "activate" TC with how its set now. I find that if I lower it to 350°F I start activating the TC, and so far it has been working just as it should. I'm running the factory installed firmware v1.02. I was going to upgrade, and I probably will sooner rather than later, but part of me still feels like "if it aint broke, don't fix it". One odd thing is, I've yet to see the screen that asks me if I have a new atty, no matter what I do... lock/unlock, unlock then remove atty and fire, etc.


This 26g spider silk is super easy to work with. I was able to almost perfectly straighten the length of wire I cut just by running it through my fingers a few times. Also, after wrapping the coil, there was virtually zero recoil/unwinding.

what atty is that, looks like it would be awsome to work on

 

[Eric Auer]

Anyone that owns this thing tried it with SS430 wire?

Eric