evolv patents variable wattage!

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Effective Sept 2 14 Evolv will hold the patent on VW.

Very curious to see how they will apply it in the near future.

All of us cheap PRC mod lovers may have to keep Ohms law calculators handy because VV only may become the norm for us.

I honestly dont care much since numbers dont mean much to me as I adjust to taste.
 

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Effective Sept 2 14 Evolv will hold the patent on VW.

Very curious to see how they will apply it in the near future.

All of us cheap PRC mod lovers may have to keep Ohms law calculators handy because VV only may become the norm for us.

I honestly dont care much since numbers dont mean much to me as I adjust to taste.

Did it finally publish? got link?
 

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Did it finally publish? got link?

Just read a blurb on the blog that shall not be named . . .
Im sure more concrete info will surface very soon.

I can't imagine anything will change- especially with PRC mods...

I wouldnt bet on that.
Depends on Evolv and their legal beagle team though.

If they are patenting their board design, then I am fine with it. If they are actually claiming no other e-cig maker can offer VW devices without their permission, I will never buy a product made by Evolv.

It is their invention, I got no beef with them protecting it.
 

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I can't see how that would be possible. You're joking right? And now nobody can measure things in millimeters anymore and breathing through your mouth is forbidden without written consent.

Also if you use gravity, please stop that is their patent as well.

Seriously hope this is joke or just misinformation.
 
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Evolv patented the way their chip controls variable wattage. They didn't patent the concept of variable wattage e-cigs. There are probably more counterfeit DNA boards than real ones. They don't even make a mod...

^^^That.

There is no way they can PATENT variable wattage as a thing...
That's like some TV company trying to patent volume control...


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Or like Apple patenting "page turning" on touchscreens - which they actually did and it was approved. Now everytime an app looks like a page is turning, they have to pay a license fee if it's approved in the app (meaning no competitors get approval). And making something isn't a requirment. That's what 'patent trolling' is all about. It can take big bucks to file for a patent which is why most small/med companies don't do it. However, it's the first one to file that usually gets the patent. It's not who "invented" it.
 

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Evolv seems to be shooting for the whole Magilla of e-cig VW in their patent.

What has been described above includes examples of the subject innovation. It is, of course, not possible to describe every conceivable combination of components or methodologies for purposes of describing the claimed subject matter, but one of ordinary skill in the art may recognize that many further combinations and permutations of the subject innovation are possible. Accordingly, the claimed subject matter is intended to embrace all such alterations, modifications, and variations that fall within the spirit and scope of the appended claims.

It will be interesting to see what the courts decide.
 

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Evolv patented the way their chip controls variable wattage. They didn't patent the concept of variable wattage e-cigs. There are probably more counterfeit DNA boards than real ones. They don't even make a mod...

Actually, they pretty much patented the concept of variable wattage in ecigs, see claim 18. And rightly so. Believe it or not there isn't all that much else that uses actual power control (Rossum chimes in here :)), but Evolv absolutely invented its use in ecigarettes/vaporizers. It is an unnecessary complication in most other applications.

This patent was filed in 2011, based on the Darwin which was released at the beginning of 2011, so yeah, they did patent the thing they invented. No one even had VW on the radar for a good year after that.

I would guess they would probably license the technology rather than prevent others from using it. They will hopefully move against clones, though.

Evolv seems to be shooting for the whole Magilla of e-cig VW in their patent.

What has been described above includes examples of the subject innovation. It is, of course, not possible to describe every conceivable combination of components or methodologies for purposes of describing the claimed subject matter, but one of ordinary skill in the art may recognize that many further combinations and permutations of the subject innovation are possible. Accordingly, the claimed subject matter is intended to embrace all such alterations, modifications, and variations that fall within the spirit and scope of the appended claims.

It will be interesting to see what the courts decide.

Not shooting, shot and hit. They were awarded the patent.

BTW the language you quoted there is standard patent boilerplate. The thing that makes it encompass all VW as we know it is the claim on the method.

Folks, just about every industry at some point gets rid of blatant counterfeiting and exact cloning. The way that happens is via trademarks and patents. Eventually the industry players get litigious, and rightly so; it's not cool to have counterfeiting and exact cloning happening in any manufacturing context. This is just a step in the maturity of the industry.

We may actually be lucky that real vapers own such important patents. Imagine if big tobacco were to own some of these patents.

Does this mean all variable wattage soldering irons will have to be pulled from the shelves.

This is actually a good example to look at. Most devices called "variable wattage" do not actually control for a specific wattage. The wattage ratings are based on a known, fixed load; they are basically variable voltage controls. The key feature of the Evolv patent is the active control to a specified wattage, by reading real-world conditions (resistance of the coil and output of the regulator). This is what allows you to change the resistance of the coil and have the power adjust automatically; with most "variable wattage" devices if you changed the resistance of the device being driven, wattage would change and the settings would be inaccurate.
 
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...Not shooting, shot and hit. They were awarded the patent.
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On its face it would appear that the patent office has issued Evolv extremely broad protection that includes all VW for e-cigs. However, the courts, not the patent office, decide the effective enforceable scope of patents. They also have the power to invalidate patents. Patent lawyers who charge obscene hourly rates often misjudge what the courts will decide. I would not presume to speculate.

I don't know anyone who holds any consumer patents but I do know one family business that holds oil/gas drilling patents and two people who hold patents for industrial manufacturing equipment. All have their patent lawyers on speed dial.

I certainly hope for the benefit of consumers that Evolv's patent will be handled by civilized licensing agreements but where large amounts of money are at stake greed often trumps civility. Also, it's not unusual for patent cases to be won on the basis of who has the deepest pockets for lengthy, expensive court battles rather than the merits of the case. :(
 

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NotCigs was awarded a broad patent on variable voltage. They fully expect big tobacco to buy it out. What this really means is we will be seeing less devices that can do both VV and VW.

Who would have thought you could patent a volume control? What's next?

Someone patents e-juice?
Joytech patents power curves during the hit?
Tobh or Atmomixani patents the dripping tank?
GG patents the RTA?
Someone patents the RDA?

This is bad for vaping.
 

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On its face it would appear that the patent office has issued Evolv extremely broad protection that includes all VW for e-cigs. However, the courts, not the patent office, decide the effective enforceable scope of patents. They also have the power to invalidate patents. Patent lawyers who charge obscene hourly rates often misjudge what the courts will decide. I would not presume to speculate.

I don't know anyone who holds any consumer patents but I do know one family business that holds oil/gas drilling patents and two people who hold patents for industrial manufacturing equipment. All have their patent lawyers on speed dial.

I certainly hope for the benefit of consumers that Evolv's patent will be handled by civilized licensing agreements but where large amounts of money are at stake greed often trumps civility. Also, it's not unusual for patent cases to be won on the basis of who has the deepest pockets for lengthy, expensive court battles rather than the merits of the case. :(

Broad, yes, but extremely broad? I don't think so. Given the scarceness of this control scheme in existing consumer products, it will be a tough task to argue it is common or obvious, especially as the control scheme has a specific purpose in ecigs. And Evolv clearly invented the ecig application by a long shot. The VV patent on the other hand would be far more likely to be defeated for obviousness.

As for the depth of pockets, who is going to take the risk to challenge them? The Chinese makers need not bother, it's the US resellers that would need to take up the case. Can any of them outspend Evolv? Provape probably already has a licensing arrangement in the works if not done already.

I suppose the cost of a challenge will in part determine the licensing costs. My thinking is that if licensing is available then that's the route most will take; that cost gets passed onto the consumer anyway.

NotCigs was awarded a broad patent on variable voltage. They fully expect big tobacco to buy it out. What this really means is we will be seeing less devices that can do both VV and VW.

Who would have thought you could patent a volume control? What's next?

Someone patents e-juice?
Joytech patents power curves during the hit?
Tobh or Atmomixani patents the dripping tank?
GG patents the RTA?
Someone patents the RDA?

This is bad for vaping.

I'm casually following the VV patent thing, the thought of BT buying out the VV patent is frightening. One can only hope that it might be ripe for invalidation or limitation. I bet either some BT or BP company has the patent on nicotine liquid. Sort of makes you wonder what will become of that.

This particular patent however, is good for vaping. The ability of consumers to buy cheap goods from China isn't good for western industries. IP theft makes things worse. We are approaching a tipping point where innovators risk being cloned before they make decent profits on their inventions. I think there is a huge amount of technical innovation still to come for vaping, what we're doing right now is pretty primitive.

Evolv is arguably the most serious innovator in the industry, so it's good that they can stay around longer.
 
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Nobody can patent anything that they did not invent. If nobody has the patents on e-juice, they won't get them now.

If you think this patent is stupid, Apple has the patent on unlocking a mobile phone by dragging a graphic over a defined path. That is why Android devices unlock by dragging a graphic a defined distance and why HTC got sued for using a drag-down metaphor. They also have a patent for how the photo-gallery bounces back at the end of the list. Android devices now flash blue instead.

The patent world is sick and needs a top-to-bottom rebuild, but there is not much that will prevent innovation in e-cigs for a while yet.
 

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NotCigs was awarded a broad patent on variable voltage. They fully expect big tobacco to buy it out. What this really means is we will be seeing less devices that can do both VV and VW.

Who would have thought you could patent a volume control? What's next?

Someone patents e-juice?
Joytech patents power curves during the hit?
Tobh or Atmomixani patents the dripping tank?
GG patents the RTA?
Someone patents the RDA?

This is bad for vaping.

The Supreme Court in their most recent sessions handed down some patent rulings and they found:

Bloomberg Law - Document - Alice Corp. Pty. Ltd. v. CLS Bank Int'l, 134 S. Ct. 2347, 189 L. Ed. 2d 296, 110 U.S.P.Q.2d 1976, 2014 ILRC 2109, 37 ILRD 787 (2014), Court Opinion
"We have long held that this provision contains an important implicit exception: Laws of nature, natural phenomena, and abstract ideas are not patentable."

Using a feedback circuit to regulate power is an "idea" that has been in use long before e-cigarettes. The ruling puts broad scope patents in major jeopardy in the courts, A more narrow patent applied to their specific circuity would have a better chance of being enforceable.

If a big tobacco company wanted to use an automatic power control, Evolv would spend a fortune in court and likely lose.
 
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