Experience with Capsicum?
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I can tell you using it topically leads to intense burning and discomfort that slowly subsides over HOURS, and then you get the pain relief for 24-48 hours. I can give you the mechanism if you want, but that's not the point 
So be careful
So be careful
You know, we can joke .. but in all seriousness, this type of experimentation is exactly what will add to the regulators arguments .. not to mention the personal risks .. no one can tell you what vaporizing a substance like that will do to change it ..
We tout the benefits of quiting analogs and the thousands of substances that get ignited when you light one up, yet we are willing to drop various unknown reaction chemicals into a carto and puff away ..
We tout the benefits of quiting analogs and the thousands of substances that get ignited when you light one up, yet we are willing to drop various unknown reaction chemicals into a carto and puff away ..
I can tell you using it topically leads to intense burning and discomfort that slowly subsides over HOURS, and then you get the pain relief for 24-48 hours. I can give you the mechanism if you want, but that's not the point
So be careful
That was my experience with it. I love my hot sauce and chilis but this stuff was a bad idea. I put 1 drop in 5ml and it was a bit much. Doesn't really add TH or flavor. Just kind of gave a pain in my throat and then a very discomforting heat radiated from my lungs for a couple hours. I thought I was having a heart attack lol. Couldn't inhale without coughing either which is new to me since I smoked non-filters so nothing has bothered my throat like that in a long time. I took 4 or 5 hits and that was enough.
If this works for you great... it must have worked for someone to make it as a product! I just know to make sure you dilute it well and vape carefully. Maybe around a friend or phone that you can dial 911 lol.
PG and VG are topical medication ingredients...among other things.
Capsicum is in a number of products...
Menthol is also in pain relieving rubs...
Nicotine is a highly toxic poison that is easily absorbed through the skin...
None of this leads me to getting a tube of Ben-Gay for my juice.
It has been done many times. Capsicum has been used in juice before and will be again as folks look for throat hit at lower nicotine levels. All the feedback I have read and watched shows it might add a tickle or warming, but not a TH.
There is/was a product...I think it is/was called Kick, or something like that, that was basically capsicum and suggested %'s in juice. A reviewer purchased it and mixed it and got no effect. He upped it to 50% and got a mild throat tingle. While that stuff was not straight, the OP is not talking about vaping it straight either. (There is a thread on ECF that contains the video I am referring to somewhere.)
I'd be more worried about a person handling nicotine than pepper juice. If one believes a DIY'er to be that idiotic, the nicotine should be the primary concern. I don't want anyone hurt themselves and unless the OP is a blithering idiot, I do not see it happening here either.
Longtime Chile-head here... grow my own, indoors and out... also consume them on a daily basis.
Vaping capsaicin just sounds like a bad idea to me. If you've ever made a szechuan sauce from scratch, you'll know what I mean. It requires frying fresh chiles and peppercorns in oil, and crushing into a paste. If there's anyone in the house at the time, they will near cough up a lung from the fumes.
The link from OP just lists the extraction as being from "american pepper plant". That's pretty vague and could be one of several varieties... very different in heat levels.
I say, if you want to see how enjoyable vaping chiles is, try what I mentioned above.
Vaping capsaicin just sounds like a bad idea to me. If you've ever made a szechuan sauce from scratch, you'll know what I mean. It requires frying fresh chiles and peppercorns in oil, and crushing into a paste. If there's anyone in the house at the time, they will near cough up a lung from the fumes.
The link from OP just lists the extraction as being from "american pepper plant". That's pretty vague and could be one of several varieties... very different in heat levels.
I say, if you want to see how enjoyable vaping chiles is, try what I mentioned above.
Maybe I should add a drop of Beano to my ejuice!
ROFL!!!!!
Sorta like getting a diet coke with a triple burger - so it balances out
At best, advocating this is irresponsible .. if you cannot fathom that, then I'd suggest adding nothing further to the thread .. the OP can do whatever they like, however, encouraging this is beyond belief, IMO .. and exactly the kind of advice that can lead to problems ..
I've tried making juice with Decadent Vapours Diablo Loco flavoring, which is made from Ghost Peppers (world's hottest). The object of the experiment was to improve throat hit, and it did, but not in the way I was hoping.
A nicotine TH comes on quickly and fades quickly. The Diablo TH has a slower onset and a sensation of heat, and it lingers for a bit. If you chain vape, it becomes a steady burn. Exhaling through the nose provides an interesting sensation which reminds me of horseradish.
Some people should like this. I would advise starting with a low concentration and working up from there. If you use the Diablo flavoring, pre-diluting it to about 10% strength with Pg or VG will make it easier to control.
I don't think there are any more health issues with chili-derived flavorings than other organic extracts.
A nicotine TH comes on quickly and fades quickly. The Diablo TH has a slower onset and a sensation of heat, and it lingers for a bit. If you chain vape, it becomes a steady burn. Exhaling through the nose provides an interesting sensation which reminds me of horseradish.
Some people should like this. I would advise starting with a low concentration and working up from there. If you use the Diablo flavoring, pre-diluting it to about 10% strength with Pg or VG will make it easier to control.
I don't think there are any more health issues with chili-derived flavorings than other organic extracts.
Just in case you guys missed it, I added one drop of capsicum to 5mL melon juice (10% melon). Tasted great with just the slightest warming/tingle at the back of the throat and in the nose. I'll be experimenting more with this. FWIW, I've handle substance much more dangerous than this in the lab, but with the dropper bottle I never had to come in contact with the straight juice. I'm also no newb to capsicum and peppers in general, just with vaping it. It was sold AS AN EJUICE ADDITIVE. If you don't feel comfortable with it, by all means, don't use it, but I don't think it needs to be treated like it's deadly. Heck, a friend of mine who is really sensitive got lipid pneumonia vaping quality, purchased, ejuice (the same kind I vaped fine for a year), but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to stop using it.
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I'm more interested in the effects on flavor myself. Most of the reviews I have read did not mention much of a flavor difference at the levels you are using it. Those folks were also mostly interested in the TH aspect and may not have bothered to mention it too.
I'm kinda' wondering about tobacco mixes and getting some of the background spice notes to become more to the front without starting back over from scratch. At the same time, with tobaccos, the interplay between flavors can get unpredictable, so I'm cautious.
I am very glad you are experimenting with this and letting us know what you find.
I'm kinda' wondering about tobacco mixes and getting some of the background spice notes to become more to the front without starting back over from scratch. At the same time, with tobaccos, the interplay between flavors can get unpredictable, so I'm cautious.
I am very glad you are experimenting with this and letting us know what you find.
The flavor was VERY subtle, but since the melon I was using was so subtle, too, it did make the flavors meld into something else. It was still definitely melon, but there was a definite peppery flavor in there (like white pepper). I'd imagine it would compliment a tobacco nicely. I think I'm going to up it to two drops per 5 mL and see where that takes me. Now, I do have a high tolerance to this kind of heat, but at 1 drop per 5mL, this was very, very mild.
The link from OP just lists the extraction as being from "american pepper plant". That's pretty vague and could be one of several varieties... very different in heat levels.
I say, if you want to see how enjoyable vaping chiles is, try what I mentioned above.
It does say:
Capsicum.Scoville heat units (SHU) 15,000,000.
That must be 15,000,000 per bottle, as there's no pepper that measures that high. Well that's good... so you can figure out what you're dealing with.
I guess you could count the number of drops per bottle, and divide that into the 15M to get a ballpark figure per drop.
Please be very careful with this stuff. Wear gloves. You don't want it on your hands. It won't just wash off like nic juice does.
I can't tell you how many pairs of contact lenses i've tossed in the garbage over the years. You may wash your hands 10 times and it will still be in your pores... and easily transfer to a contact lens. Chile eye is not fun.
Once in the lens, it's done... you'll never get it out.
Other body parts can be just as sensitive... play safe!
I guess you could count the number of drops per bottle, and divide that into the 15M to get a ballpark figure per drop.
Please be very careful with this stuff. Wear gloves. You don't want it on your hands. It won't just wash off like nic juice does.
I can't tell you how many pairs of contact lenses i've tossed in the garbage over the years. You may wash your hands 10 times and it will still be in your pores... and easily transfer to a contact lens. Chile eye is not fun.
Once in the lens, it's done... you'll never get it out.Other body parts can be just as sensitive... play safe!
Other body parts can be just as sensitive... play safe!
This made me think of my father and his first round of grinding horseradish root. (He grew about 12 plants one year and was processing them all at the same time.)
I was still laughing after he slapped me for laughing... Heck, I'm still laughing!
That must be 15,000,000 per bottle, as there's no pepper that measures that high. Well that's good... so you can figure out what you're dealing with.
I guess you could count the number of drops per bottle, and divide that into the 15M to get a ballpark figure per drop.
Please be very careful with this stuff. Wear gloves. You don't want it on your hands. It won't just wash off like nic juice does.
I can't tell you how many pairs of contact lenses i've tossed in the garbage over the years. You may wash your hands 10 times and it will still be in your pores... and easily transfer to a contact lens. Chile eye is not fun.
Other body parts can be just as sensitive... play safe!
Oh, yes, I've made homemade salsa before and I'll never again dice and prepare jalapenos without wearing gloves. My hands were burning for hours! I'm very cautious with the straight juice (but it is in a dropper bottle which makes it easy), but the 1 drop per 5 mL is low enough that when I did get a tiny bit of finished juice in my eye (not while making it, while using it), it burned way less than those rhotos eyedrops.
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