Explosion at Vape Blast

[HecticEnergy]

Eh, not the best spin there, this battery was in thermal runaway for a while and this video shows how helpful metal tube mods are for transmitting and retaining heat around a thermally failing battery. This shows the batteries we are using WILL be dangerous, causing risk of thermal injury and mechanical injury, even the safest chemistries, if misused in devices with no safety features.

This video speaks to the need for improvement of safety features on all devices.

I agree to some extent, but at some point you can't blame the mod for user error. I got a 4nine clone. I love the thing for its size. I keep my coils above 3ohms, as anything under 2 could cause the magnets to reverse polarity. Realistically I usually build my coils higher, around .7 or so. I check my batteries regularly so as not to over discharge them. When building I use an ohm meter and tighten my coils on a regulated device incase I do something dumb and short the device.
All this DIY stuff is removing safety for increased performance. I'd say the safest way to vape would be a high quality regulated mod and a tank with prebuilt heads. However, You won't find me going back to that by choice.

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[nasca]

here's another first hand account of the vape blast blast: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/2dvc5z/holy_smokes_explosion_at_vapeblast/

apparently people on the cloud chasers inc facebook page are saying he wasnt in the competition, but others who were there are saying he was.

The guy was in the cloud comp. He was standing to the side of the stage. He had dry cotton on his atty that was to be dripped on by a lady helping to run the cloud comp. As she began dripping on his atty he began to pulse it. after a few sec he dropped the mod damn near between her feet. soon as it blew he ran off.

And the owner of the exploded mod was using a mutant clone. the original creator of the mutant responded on facebook:

I have thoroughly tested the venting of the authentic Mutant with many steps, I have purposely venting several batteries by hard shorting them intentionally, glad to see that no one was hurt. Safe vaping is paramount with Fallout Mods as well as to maintain integrity within the vape community. The moral of this story is don't buy a clone and don't modify the switch
some of the mutant clones were manufactured with oversized magnets and would not fire, therefore some ppl took matters into their own hands and sanded down the internals of the button slug until it fired, changing the tolerance of the throw essentially making it super easy for it to autofire. Because china reversed engineered it when they stole the design and use child labor and ....ty production standards they obviously lost tolerance within the internals. I designed the mod with very precise measurements....its not designed to modify

All the talk about clone vs. authentics and labor practices aside [not getting in that here], basically the owner was an idiot who [probably] entered an unsupervised cloud chasing competition [dumb move on the part of the convention organizers] using a poorly and dangerously modified clone. the POS modified mutant clone autofired. the owner ditched the mod and ran. and the assumption is the owner's build was crap and/or batteries pushed beyond their limits.

first, those that organize conventions and vaping competitions need to enforce safety rules. I would think that would be a no-brainer, but apparently the organizers of vape blast 2014 do not have a brain. and second, we need ["we" meaning shop owners/employees, gear manufacturers, bloggers, and users at large] need to educate ourselves and our community -- especially so for those that push vaping to the outer extreme [cloud chasers, sub ohmers, etc]. If not, the real-life ban hammer is gonna come down hard the week that a mod-turned-pipebomb blows up on a subway or near a baby stroller.

get it together folks.

 

[Ozwald]

here's another first hand account of the vape blast blast: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/2dvc5z/holy_smokes_explosion_at_vapeblast/

apparently people on the cloud chasers inc facebook page are saying he wasnt in the competition, but others who were there are saying he was.

The guy was in the cloud comp. He was standing to the side of the stage. He had dry cotton on his atty that was to be dripped on by a lady helping to run the cloud comp. As she began dripping on his atty he began to pulse it. after a few sec he dropped the mod damn near between her feet. soon as it blew he ran off.

And the owner of the exploded mod was using a mutant clone. the original creator of the mutant responded on facebook:

I have thoroughly tested the venting of the authentic Mutant with many steps, I have purposely venting several batteries by hard shorting them intentionally, glad to see that no one was hurt. Safe vaping is paramount with Fallout Mods as well as to maintain integrity within the vape community. The moral of this story is don't buy a clone and don't modify the switch
some of the mutant clones were manufactured with oversized magnets and would not fire, therefore some ppl took matters into their own hands and sanded down the internals of the button slug until it fired, changing the tolerance of the throw essentially making it super easy for it to autofire. Because china reversed engineered it when they stole the design and use child labor and ....ty production standards they obviously lost tolerance within the internals. I designed the mod with very precise measurements....its not designed to modify

All the talk about clone vs. authentics and labor practices aside [not getting in that here], basically the owner was an idiot who [probably] entered an unsupervised cloud chasing competition [dumb move on the part of the convention organizers] using a poorly and dangerously modified clone. the POS modified mutant clone autofired. the owner ditched the mod and ran. and the assumption is the owner's build was crap and/or batteries pushed beyond their limits.

first, those that organize conventions and vaping competitions need to enforce safety rules. I would think that would be a no-brainer, but apparently the organizers of vape blast 2014 do not have a brain. and second, we need ["we" meaning shop owners/employees, gear manufacturers, bloggers, and users at large] need to educate ourselves and our community -- especially so for those that push vaping to the outer extreme [cloud chasers, sub ohmers, etc]. If not, the real-life ban hammer is gonna come down hard the week that a mod-turned-pipebomb blows up on a subway or near a baby stroller.

get it together folks.

Not doubting you, but could you cite those two quotes? I'd like to read more.

 

[dr g]

I agree to some extent, but at some point you can't blame the mod for user error.

That point is far above zero though, and by that I mean an inherently dangerous device CAN be blamed for the results of some user error. If there is a high likelihood of error -- and with RBAs there is an extremely high likelihood; it's a rare coil builder who has never built too low or had a short -- then the device needs to have safety features which set certain boundaries of operation. It IS a problem that mech mods have no defined performance envelope and can operate at very unsafe parameters. It's not too far fetched to think we may eventually see big battery mech mods sued out of commercial existence.

 

[Despraci]

I use to feel like I was wrong for running .8 - .9 twisted coils in my KFL's. But all of a sudden I need a vape towel and an ove glove to operate my mod? It's disturbing to think that people would still find this cool or trendy thing to do. I find nothing cool about risking ones personal well-being, or the well-being of people around you during a large event.

 

[Dusther]

I've been following this thread since it began. And I still can't believe how bone headed some ppl can be about their coils and set ups. I hang out in several vape shops and some of the stuff I see in them kills me. I do what I can to properly educate a user. But in the end you can't fix stupid. Personally, I don't go below a .19 build on my sony batteries. I do alright on blowing clouds but it never fails. I talk to a "new" guy they see my clouds and want to do better. next time I see them they are running at a .0X just to blow the clouds not knowing the entire setup makes the difference. So in the end the mind of the new vaper is lower ohms bigger clouds which everyone that is experienced knows is not the case.

Again, you can't fix stupid no matter how much you try to explain the intricacies of a solid build to perform the way that you want it to.

 

[JMarca]

I don't blame the uneducated user or the mod maker. I blame (and I will get heat for this I'm sure) the event itself. These competitions are ridiculous (in my opinion, but to each their own). If you're going to host these things do it right, know that not everyone knows what they're doing, know that you are potentially putting everyone in that room at risk. If something goes wrong there is no one else to blame but the competition for not putting strict safety measures in check. Bring your own batteries bring your own mods if you have to and have them build their own coils and then manually check them. Do what you have to do but don't put some innocent by standard at risk simply because you cut corners.


Feel free to flame me now...


What ever happened to the days where vape meets were a place to meet people and talk about stuff and make friends, now it's all look my epeen is bigger than yours. Replace epeen with clouds and that's exactly what you have today.

 

[Firecrow]

Well, the organizers got one thing right - the name of the convention "Vape Blast 2014". Think they'll change the name next year...? *snicker*

 

[wheelie]

Vapecan up here 2 weeks ago the fire alarm went off in motel where it was held and Toronto Fire Dept all came. Left a $1500. bill for the hotel for the call. All the vendors and private people pooled money and paid the hotel fire bill. Hope the same sorta thing happened there and paid the damage.

 

[Ozwald]

I've been following this thread since it began. And I still can't believe how bone headed some ppl can be about their coils and set ups. I hang out in several vape shops and some of the stuff I see in them kills me. I do what I can to properly educate a user. But in the end you can't fix stupid. Personally, I don't go below a .19 build on my sony batteries. I do alright on blowing clouds but it never fails. I talk to a "new" guy they see my clouds and want to do better. next time I see them they are running at a .0X just to blow the clouds not knowing the entire setup makes the difference. So in the end the mind of the new vaper is lower ohms bigger clouds which everyone that is experienced knows is not the case.

Again, you can't fix stupid no matter how much you try to explain the intricacies of a solid build to perform the way that you want it to.

If it wasn't for nanny gov't, we could just let stupid fix itself.

 

[Auntie Mame]

Perhaps the various vaping organizations, vape shop owners and juice makers who buy booth space at these conferences and thoughtful vapers should reach out to the sponsors of the vaping conventions and ask that they not allow or promote competitions or demonstrations of irresponsible vaping behavior. If we can tell politicians "I vote and I vape" then certainly we could tell them "stop this or I will not attend or buy space".

 

[UncleChuck]

How about just Not Doing Cloud Blowing Contests?

Or is that Too Much of a Buzz Kill?

Let's close down race tracks and drag strips because that's a little extreme for most people too? Plenty of exploding engines and other safety hazards. Cars are for transportation, not racing, right?

Instead of just ignoring cloud chasing, attacking it's practitioners, why don't we actually educate people and make sure things are done safety?

"Just say no" worked so well for drug abuse....

"Abstinence only" worked so well for child pregnancy....

Relegating people to a dark shameful corner somewhere isn't the way to make things safe. Bringing it out in the open and making sure people are safe and responsible is what works.

I have no interest in cloud chasing competitions, but other people do, and that's something your bad attitude about it isn't going to change. There are plenty of ways to make these competitions dramatically safer. Resistance limits, requirements on batteries, inspections, etc.

There are stupid people all over the planet, some of them are going to take up vaping. As fellow vapers if we really care about keeping vaping safe and available we will push for education and safety, not the divisive type of garbage I see here so much on ECF.

 

[zoiDman]

Perhaps the various vaping organizations, vape shop owners and juice makers who buy booth space at these conferences and thoughtful vapers should reach out to the sponsors of the vaping conventions and ask that they not allow or promote competitions or demonstrations of irresponsible vaping behavior. ...

Probably would be a Good Idea.

That, and Don't have a Logo where Flames are Shooting Out of a Mod.

 

[dr g]

Let's close down race tracks and drag strips because that's a little extreme for most people too? Plenty of exploding engines and other safety hazards. Cars are for transportation, not racing, right?

Not a good analogy. Racetracks are specifically constructed to provide a venue for an inherently dangerous behavior. They are separated physically from regular roads and the movement of people around the racetracks is strongly regulated. Racetracks usually have policies that include safety requirements for vehicles at various performance levels.

None of this applies to the current typical vaping scene cloud competition. And that's kind of the point

Cloud chasing IS race vaping. Racing is banned on public streets and some jurisdictions limit what modifications you can do to a car and have it legal to drive on the street. Vaping has no such regulations and if it doesn't want them, it needs to police itself. Which may or may not be even possible.

 

[wheelie]

I believe everyone is forgetting. The person with the exploding mod was not involved in the contest.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Relegating people to a dark shameful corner somewhere isn't the way to make things safe. Bringing it out in the open and making sure people are safe and responsible is what works.

...

How is Not having a Cloud Blowing Contest at a Vape Meet "Relegating people to a dark shameful corner somewhere"?

You want to do a Contest where the Only Requirement is you are over 18, Go For It. And when the Next Mod Blows Up, we can have Another Thread Just Like this One.

Just don't be Surprised when the Public perceives Vapers as People more concerned with Cloud Chasing. And Less about HRT and Quitting Smoking.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe everyone is forgetting. The person with the exploding mod was not involved in the contest.

I don't Know if this is True or Not. Because I wasn't There.

The guy was in the cloud comp. He was standing to the side of the stage. He had dry cotton on his atty that was to be dripped on by a lady helping to run the cloud comp. As she began dripping on his atty he began to pulse it. after a few sec he dropped the mod damn near between her feet. soon as it blew he ran off.

Where are the Comments from the Event Coordinators.

 

[readeuler]

That, and Don't have a Logo where Flames are Shooting Out of a Mod.

OK, they've given us two easy potshots (name and logo). Hopefully hindsight is 20/20, right?

Sidenote: Spacevaping.

 

[Ozwald]

I don't Know if this is True or Not. Because I wasn't There.



Where are the Comments from the Event Coordinators.

Other than this thread, it has been oddly quiet over the whole matter.

 

[zoiDman]

Other than this thread, it has been oddly quiet over the whole matter.

Yeah... You would think if a MOD Exploded During a Vaping Meet, in a Crowed Hall full of Vapers and Vendors, that a Few More People would come forth and Tell what they saw.