Explosion at Vape Blast

[K_Tech]

hardly an excuse, someone could've had their eye put out via a rocket propelled projectile because this kid was trying his hardest to be cool.

I totally get running away from immediate physical danger in a panic. Got it. But dude straight up left the building like a fart in the wind. A "Hit and Run" so to speak.

Absolutely. I cannot disagree that he did the "wrong" thing, but there are a lot of behaviors that come with experience and maturity. Root cause analysis may be sketchy without investigation, but had that young man left that mod at home, or, better yet, not tried to do a half-baked MacGyver on his mod, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and it would have been another fun vape meet.

And yes, at the very least I think he should have stayed to see if anybody was hurt - which, as others have said, was VERY likely in this situation.

And Funk Dracula, your comment about the "hit and run" is very accurate, I think, and sums it up neatly.

 

[Keeferes]

This is going to sound harsh, but I say start charging people with a crime when things like this happen. Reason I say this is simple. If you were to go to an event; let's say a concert. You proceeded to then light a package of Lady finger firecrackers off in the crowd, legitimately not understanding someone could get hurt, you would be charged. Claiming ignorance does not alleviate the liability. This is no different really. If ignorant, then at fault for not following safe practices. If ignored safety, liable for not following safe practices. If was at no fault and was act of God, then coming forward and explaining that would be best.

 

[ENAUD]

I enjoy my 30 watt vape, but I don't push it on anyone.


I'm hardly the foolish adolescent kick type and no matter what you think, high power vaping is not going away any time soon. IMO it's gaining in popularity and I understand why. What we need to do is educate better and I don't mean just folks like us. The vape industry could very easily do much better at this than what they've done so far.

You may not push it on anyone, but I have personally been told by employees in a shop, "man, you really need to try sub ohm, that's where it's at". I thanked the young dude, and said thanks, I'm pretty happy where I am at right now. Not every vaper reads the forum, in fact, it would be interesting to know what percentage of vapers don't even know about the forum. I agree, the industry needs to tighten up a bit regarding safety and education. Reading about shops building low ohm setups for people who have no understanding about the basics, seems reckless to me. Many vapers are at the hands of their local shop and it's employees.

 

[ENAUD]

This is going to sound harsh, but I say start charging people with a crime when things like this happen. Reason I say this is simple. If you were to go to an event; let's say a concert. You proceeded to then light a package of Lady finger firecrackers off in the crowd, legitimately not understanding someone could get hurt, you would be charged. Claiming ignorance does not alleviate the liability. This is no different really. If ignorant, then at fault for not following safe practices. If ignored safety, liable for not following safe practices. If was at no fault and was act of God, then coming forward and explaining that would be best.

If and or when someone gets injured by a runaway battery like this scenario, I'd be willing to bet that such a thing may just happen. It will all depend on the when and where.

 

[wonkeypickle]

but I have personally been told by employees in a shop, "man, you really need to try sub ohm, that's where it's at". .

This is not good. I'm sure they had the best intentions, i.e. you looked like an experienced vaper (my guess) and just thought you might be interested in such things, but with something like this that involves personal safety and advanced electrical theory knowledge, i think it would be wisest for them to not assume anything. IF someone where to come in asking, wanting to LEARN properly, that's when they should jump in, otherwise the individual will learn on their own accord with possibly less than desirable results. Step it up shop owners, the spotlight has definately turned to you after this incident whether you like it or not.

 

[tj99959]

Originally Posted by ENAUD View Post
but I have personally been told by employees in a shop, "man, you really need to try sub ohm, that's where it's at". .

And then I caught them vapin' on a carto tank.

 

[Ryedan]

You may not push it on anyone, but I have personally been told by employees in a shop, "man, you really need to try sub ohm, that's where it's at". I thanked the young dude, and said thanks, I'm pretty happy where I am at right now. Not every vaper reads the forum, in fact, it would be interesting to know what percentage of vapers don't even know about the forum. I agree, the industry needs to tighten up a bit regarding safety and education. Reading about shops building low ohm setups for people who have no understanding about the basics, seems reckless to me. Many vapers are at the hands of their local shop and it's employees.

I agree with everything you wrote ENAUD. I rarely even suggest it to people, just try to educate when they ask about it or talk about it. It's amazing all the shops that make low ohm mechanical mod setups for newbies and don't explain anything to them. It happens way too often.

But it's not going away and all I can do is try to help by doing my part to educate when I can.

 

[a wandering soul]

That's just what we need while the fda, us raining down doom...

Via a possessed phone thats autocorrect is just silly

 

[K_Tech]

This is going to sound harsh, but I say start charging people with a crime when things like this happen. Reason I say this is simple. If you were to go to an event; let's say a concert. You proceeded to then light a package of Lady finger firecrackers off in the crowd, legitimately not understanding someone could get hurt, you would be charged. Claiming ignorance does not alleviate the liability. This is no different really. If ignorant, then at fault for not following safe practices. If ignored safety, liable for not following safe practices. If was at no fault and was act of God, then coming forward and explaining that would be best.

I don't think it's harsh. People should be held accountable for their actions. I'm sure that most municipalities have some sort of nuisance/disturbance laws already in place that this might be covered by.

Being stupid isn't a crime. Doing stupid things that put others in harm's way is.

 

[Ryedan]

This is going to sound harsh, but I say start charging people with a crime when things like this happen. Reason I say this is simple. If you were to go to an event; let's say a concert. You proceeded to then light a package of Lady finger firecrackers off in the crowd, legitimately not understanding someone could get hurt, you would be charged. Claiming ignorance does not alleviate the liability. This is no different really. If ignorant, then at fault for not following safe practices. If ignored safety, liable for not following safe practices. If was at no fault and was act of God, then coming forward and explaining that would be best.

I don't have an issue with that, but the industry doesn't have accepted safety standards, so how is anyone going to prosecute an individual for something they were not properly informed about. What will probably happen is the shop that sold the item or the manufacturer is going to be sued. Maybe that's not such a bad idea, might help force things to change for the better from that end.

 

[Keeferes]

It's covered by a couple laws I know for sure. Both are just misdemeanor charges, which is fine, but first one is criminal mischief. The Second is criminal damaging/and or endangering.

 

[zoiDman]

Did we ever Get a Statement from the Event Coordinators that the Guy Who's Mod Exploded Was or Wasn't in the Cloud Contest?

And have they Confirmed that the Guy Did Not Contact Anyone after the Incident?

 

[B1sh0p]

pics of the mod

http://vapordigest.com/vape-show-attendees-remain-calm-despite-possible-tragedy/

Crazy.

I thought the Mutant had a magnet switch.

 

[zoiDman]

Crazy.

I thought the Mutant had a magnet switch.

Someone said it was a Mutant Clone.

But like Just About All of This, Very Little has Been Confirmed.

 

[Ryedan]

Did we ever Get a Statement from the Event Coordinators that the Guy Who's Mod Exploded Was or Wasn't in the Cloud Contest?

And have they Confirmed that the Guy Did Not Contact Anyone after the Incident?

No and no, as far as I know (is that 3 no's?).

 

[Ryedan]

Crazy.

I thought the Mutant had a magnet switch.

It does. I believe what's left of the magnet that goes on the battery are the black parts to the right of the spring in the top photo.

Go to 3:30 in this video and you'll see what I mean.

 

[B1sh0p]

It does. I believe what's left of the magnet that goes on the battery are the black parts to the right of the spring in the top photo.

Go to 3:30 in this video and you'll see what I mean.

I can't watch the video now, but from the picture, it looks more like a Paps switch.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

From the reddit link is the following exchange. No idea how much firsthand knowledge they have of what happened.

3BallJosh
“This particular contest only limited it to 18650 mechs and 30W batteries. The mood turned pipe bomb was a mutant (26650). it happened by the cloud competition, but was not involved itself”

Hooligan666
“It wasn't even a legit Mutant, it was a clone with a modified switch assembly”

3BallJosh
“how did he modify it?”

pyrofreak369
“He ground down the magnets in the switch for one. Truth of it is, idiots like this just shouldn't be allowed to touch mechs. Period.”

Hooligan666
“Drilled the bottom assembly to give it the look of having venting holes. Flash from drilling could easily cause a catastrophic failure in the battery by causing a short from battery to the mod”

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I'm an oddball, I've always worn my work badge and cell phone on my belt anyway (my Dad was against lanyards near machines) so I just add a poly-something belt carrier for sunglasses. Until a couple of vendors started selling actually-USEFUL belt clips. Maybe you could put one on your purse strap or something.

I buy everything with lots of pockets so I don't have to use a lanyard Am going to get a Serenity Gear holster though so it can go on a belt loop. I keep thinking of this guy every time I shove it in my pocket now.

 

[Berylanna]

I buy everything with lots of pockets so I don't have to use a lanyard Am going to get a Serenity Gear holster though so it can go on a belt loop. I keep thinking of this guy every time I shove it in my pocket now.

Pockets aren't going to work for me until I figure out how to stop leaking. Besides, I wear skirts and the ONLY vendor I knew that sold skirts with pockets went out of business. Hence the Renaissance-Faire-style belt pocket I started with, but 18650 mods fall out of it.

Just got my first mech mod and had not used it, now I'm panicking. I can not find any vent holes on my King clone. But I'm going to buy a "2-cents-for-safety" short circuit protector, they're down to $14 or so.