I'm going to have to disagree with you on that point. He should be in hot water right now. I'm going to guess it was less embarrassment & more trying to avoid being responsible for his own stupidity.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that point. He should be in hot water right now. I'm going to guess it was less embarrassment & more trying to avoid being responsible for his own stupidity.
If they are going to have these cloud chasing contest at the least they should have some safety rules and someone inspecting these idiots mods to make sure they comply. I don't think it would take away from the competition aspect if everyone plays by the same rules. Hell they could even have different classes based on certain criteria.
The irony of this is the description put out for this event:
San Antonio's larges expo of electronic cigarette industry. vape Blast will have 90+ retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers, and suppliers to the industry and advocacy groups. The event mission is to bring awareness, education and promote responsible vaping in our community.
San Antonio's larges expo of electronic cigarette industry. vape Blast will have 90+ retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers, and suppliers to the industry and advocacy groups. The event mission is to bring awareness, education and promote responsible vaping in our community.
That's pretty much what I said... embarrassment/real consequences with the law or aftermath lawsuits.
the fact of the matter is batteries can and do explode. Safety first. No monkeying around with batteries, inspect and respect them.
Sorry that happened, I hope they can turn it into a positive, like inspecting mods of those participating in those kind of events.
I'm sure he "just didn't know" which is often the case, and glad no one was hurt.
IIt'a an opportunity of education that's for sure.
Sorry that happened, I hope they can turn it into a positive, like inspecting mods of those participating in those kind of events.
I'm sure he "just didn't know" which is often the case, and glad no one was hurt.
IIt'a an opportunity of education that's for sure.
My apologies. I read it as you thought it was good that he ran away to avoid it.
Speculation. Who is legally responsible for venting batteries?
Nothing we use is endorsed by the makers for the uses we put them to. Maybe the battery was faulty? But would have been fine in a tv remote!
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Nothing we use is endorsed by the makers for the uses we put them to. Maybe the battery was faulty? But would have been fine in a tv remote!
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Although I agreed with the vast majority of your post, I have to jump in here and say that although rare, IMR batteries can vent rather violently too. Below is an AW 18490 IMR battery (purchased from Provape, an authorized AW vendor) which vented violently. We can't take it for granted that IMR batteries will only vent gas and not explode.
I'd be curious to know just what IMR batteries there are on the market with 3000 - 3500 mah which are ok for e-cig use? I don't know of any.
Eyewitnesses posting over on reddit apparently. Phil Busardo found his way over there and was taking pictures as well.
The only accounts I've read is the idiot walked away very quickly and shady like. Draw your own conclusions. I say he ran away out of embarrassment. It's probably good that he did scurry away, because like I mentioned earlier, his rig blowing up in a crowd like that means he could find himself in quite the litigious pickle.
Obviously he wasn't. The mod most likely auto-fired in his pocket, or the switch got stuck, or the battery wrapper was compromised and shorted. Either way the mod experienced a continuous fire, and whatever coil he had built was drawing too much current from the battery. This is why "pulse" firing is a farce.
He obviously wasn't using a safe chemistry IMR battery, because thermal runaway, fire, and explosion ensued.... This type of explosion happens pretty much exclusively with ICR batteries. IMR's vent, get extremely hot, but really never go BOOM when they go into thermal runaway. However, ICR batteries in thermal runaway... hide your kids, hide your wife.
From what I've read it was a copper Mutant 26650 that blew up. Snagged this screen grab off of the OP's instagram account link, the remains of the tube:
My money is betting he was using a very high mAh (> 6000mAh) ICR 26650, and not the 3000mAh-3500mAh IMR ones on the market that are okay for e-cig use. Couple that with his idiotic build, a malfunction or him simply pocketing it in his pants the wrong way causing a continuous firing, and there you have it.
Correct, if you know what you are doing. Which IMO, does not include the people claiming they know what they are doing when following "pulse" discharge ratings and vaping < .1Ω
Grrrr...
Wrong. IMR batteries certainly can go boom. Well.... not the battery, as the explosion happens when pressure builds up in the tube. IMR's can be pushed harder before they go into thermal runaway, but they are certainly capable of doing so. They are safer, not safe. Add to that the large amount of counterfeit batteries on the market and the inevitable will happen.
Cloud chasing (and I would add high watt vaping) pushes the edge of what batteries can do. It is really not all that complicated. The harder you push the battery the more chances you take. This person could very well have been doing everything right and taking all normal precautions, but perhaps a slight flaw in a legitimate battery that is pushed to hard and it we have a bomb.
just wondering, who thought the word BLAST was a good idea for a vape meet/expo? its probably not gonna help with the media exposure with this.
Definitely should have prior inspection for competition. They do in alot of car stereo comps. Someone inspects the setup and signs off. I get the fact that some may not want to reveal their "super secret" cloud comp build, but a single person or team of people to inspect prior to comp would not allow the build to be shown to competitors, but would ensure the safety of those competing and those spectating. Unfortunately, it won't do anything about num nut spectators with a faulty setup in their pocket.
True. That pic is a doozy.
However, all of the videos I've seen of people purposefully trying to blow up IMR's have been gassy like a sad fart, leaking fluid, and hot as all hell. But nowhere near the guaranteed fireworks of an ICR.
But yes, I agree.
MNKE (3000mAh) and Efest (3500mAh) 26650's are 15A continuous.
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Yeah... If this was a Cloud Blowing Contest, aren't they just kinda Asking for something like this to Happen if there is No Limits on Amps or Ohms?
If the people participating are wanting to win so bad that they go beyond what is safe... or just aren't smart enough to know if it's safe... Darwin would have a few things to say on the matter.
^^^This is the way^^^
Otherwise it's so risky. Also they should probably have a "Lowest Ohm allowable" stipulation. Unfortunately it sounds like Regulation but really its just the organizers exercising common sense.
One unsafe Mod/Build/Batt. endangers everyone at the event and makes the whole vape community look irresponsible
Yeah... Competition does make people push the Edge of the Envelope.
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I just read on Planet of the Vapes that it was an Unlocked Mod in someone's Pocket that Blew. But then that might Not be what Happened. A lot of Guessing going on.
Just have to wait until Someone who was there Chimes in.
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