Explosion at Vape Blast

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It's just what the Instagram page (link in Reddit thread) says, presumably posted by the uploaded (not too familiar with Instagram).

The explosions created three holes in the ceiling and made a large dent in the concrete floor. [\QUOTE]

I didn't watch the video, so maybe you're disputing the truthfulness of these claims, I have no idea. I just assumed you hadn't read this, and we're asking for the source.

So you insulted me based on an assumption? This thread is consistent. :toast:
 

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just wondering, who thought the word BLAST was a good idea for a vape meet/expo? its probably not gonna help with the media exposure with this.

Yeah, that seems to be right up there with "fire" in a battery or charger name. :facepalm:

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To each their own! Cigalikes didn't do it for me. Egos were good, but I wanted to rebuild... Then that escalated quickly.... But I love that there is something for everyone with vaping at this point!


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I was just kidding. I vape mostly mechs and RDA's. I don't go below .3. I don't think super sub ohming is dangerous, but it does involve more care. Knowing what you're doing and using proper equipment should go without saying.

I don't know what happened to this guy's mod, so I think it's unfair to make assumptions and attack a segment of the community.
 

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Yeah... I would To.

I also like that you said "Vent Holes" and Not "Vent Hole".

Because if a Battery Swells in a Tube, a single Vent Hole on the End Cap may be Worthless.

Yeah... I was just noticing that my new Vamo V2... has ONE vent hole. :facepalm: Looks like I need AW batteries for this thing too! :facepalm:

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problem is ... the disaster doesn't happen to a knowledgeable competitor ... it happens to some noob on the sidelines watching.

The cool guy who thinks he could win this smoke competition thing :blink:

As long as the prerequisite for competing is signing your name on a piece of paper, I don't see the big separation between knowledgeable competitor and sideline noobs.

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Unless excessive amp draw directly cause damage (separator breakdown / internal short) to the battery, heat is the reason batteries go thermal runaway. Amp draw limits on batteries do not take into consideration there's a 50w++ heating element just an inch away, separated only by a (very thermally conductive) chunk of metal. Heat = more (internal battery) resistance = more heat. Given the right circumstances, a battery can get way too hot way too fast, even within "safe" battery limits.
 

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Changes are coming, no doubt about it. Because of the interwebs these incidents are picked up right away and used as leverage against vaping in general.

Case in point, a few days ago the local paper here in Boston ran a story about someone who packed an APV in their luggage which, it would appear, was packed loaded with a battery and most likely unlocked. The end result is that somehow it "burned" a hole in the luggage before it was loaded on the plane.
 

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Eyewitnesses posting over on reddit apparently. Phil Busardo found his way over there and was taking pictures as well.



The only accounts I've read is the idiot walked away very quickly and shady like. Draw your own conclusions. I say he ran away out of embarrassment. It's probably good that he did scurry away, because like I mentioned earlier, his rig blowing up in a crowd like that means he could find himself in quite the litigious pickle.


Obviously he wasn't. The mod most likely auto-fired in his pocket, or the switch got stuck, or the battery wrapper was compromised and shorted. Either way the mod experienced a continuous fire, and whatever coil he had built was drawing too much current from the battery. This is why "pulse" firing is a farce.

He obviously wasn't using a safe chemistry IMR battery, because thermal runaway, fire, and explosion ensued.... This type of explosion happens pretty much exclusively with ICR batteries. IMR's vent, get extremely hot, but really never go BOOM when they go into thermal runaway. However, ICR batteries in thermal runaway... hide your kids, hide your wife.

From what I've read it was a copper Mutant 26650 that blew up. Snagged this screen grab off of the OP's instagram account link, the remains of the tube:

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My money is betting he was using a very high mAh (> 6000mAh) ICR 26650, and not the 3000mAh-3500mAh IMR ones on the market that are okay for e-cig use. Couple that with his idiotic build, a malfunction or him simply pocketing it in his pants the wrong way causing a continuous firing, and there you have it.



Correct, if you know what you are doing. Which IMO, does not include the people claiming they know what they are doing when following "pulse" discharge ratings and vaping < .1Ω

Grrrr...

Being a mech user..I completely agree with this post!
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If you are a mech mod user and cast battery safety aside , you are not doing our cause any favors.
 

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Changes are coming, no doubt about it. Because of the interwebs these incidents are picked up right away and used as leverage against vaping in general.

Case in point, a few days ago the local paper here in Boston ran a story about someone who packed an APV in their luggage which, it would appear, was packed loaded with a battery and most likely unlocked. The end result is that somehow it "burned" a hole in the luggage before it was loaded on the plane.

APV? I'm guessing mech, not regulated. It's much less likely for a regulated mod to go thermal. I don't consider many things impossible, but seems like it would be rare.... Saw a melted Hana clone here, that was interesting.


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Being a mech user..I completely agree with this post!
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If you are a mech mod user and cast battery safety aside , you are not doing our cause any favors.

I'm new to mechs, and I respect them, so only quality batteries and >.3 ohm builds for me.
That said I have no experience with thermal runaway personally. However, the gas needs a way to escape, and from what I've read he had a modified button with a low ohm build. If the venting was compromised it seems likely that the venting gas from the battery built up in the mod until the thing exploded. Others have mentioned this, and again, it seems likely to me!


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APV? I'm guessing mech, not regulated. It's much less likely for a regulated mod to go thermal. I don't consider many things impossible, but seems like it would be rare.... Saw a melted Hana clone here, that was interesting.


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I'm hoping it was not a mech, who would be $)(*)(*Q#$)U# enought to packed a mech mod loaded with a battery in a suitcase???
 
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