Explosion at Vape Blast

[UncleChuck]

I had JUST left, but I talked to people who were there, the next day.



3. Some very influential folks in the community are considering asking event organizers to begin events with a battery safety class, and forbid vendors opening for business until the class is over. There is talk of encouraging donations to swag bags for battery-safety attendees, but I don't know if that will work out.

That is a really excellent idea!

While this was obviously a horrible thing to have happened, the bright side is that we are able to learn from this mistake without anyone having to pay medical bills. This might just be the wake-up call that was needed before something truly tragic or catastrophic happens. I'm really glad to hear the influential folks are making something positive out of this whole ordeal.

Instead of doing the right thing, in other words. Like the people running the contests to admit they overlooked inspecting the mods of the participants to make sure of safety, etc. Like having broad shoulders and being accountable, for an event whose purpose was to promote safe vaping according to their blurb about the meet.

When an apology is owed, then give one. STEP UP.

Don't make excuses and / or try to change the subject.

Go watch the big guys, who truly had broad shoulders and some actual humility, said after the Challenger exploded. they weren't thinking about themselves. They were truly accountable type men. The proper thing to do when you F up is to say you did. And then talk about what protocols you'll have in place nextt time, and that you've learned something.

Otherwise, it makes this industry just looks like a bunch of teflon types.

Totally agree with everything here, but I think the other poster has a valid point too. While the responsibility issue needs to be addressed, the public is horrible at putting things in context. I used to be involved in RC and heard plenty of stories and saw plenty of pictures about people loosing eyes, blowing things up, etc from their helicopters or from lipo batteries. There are tons and tons of things out there with a much larger risk than vaping that people don't think twice about, so refusing to let them hypocritically frame vaping as some sort of great danger to society seems like a good move.

I really wonder if we'll ever figure out who this guy was, going from mr. nobody vaper to likely vapor infamy is a pretty big change. Can't say I agree with his actions but honestly I feel a bit bad for him, being the pariah of the vaping community has got to suck. No youtube channel for that guy

 

[Sirius]

BTW, the YouTube video by Mr. Hotshot is now age restricted, but he's put up something like six more of them today. Pity you have to be a member to leave a comment.

The kid is a glutton for punishment for real. I felt kind of sorry for him in a way at some of the brutal names they were calling him. GrimmGreen tried to set him straight and that may have worked. The kid obviously has been influenced by YouTube videos by cloud chasers.

 

[Sirius]

That is a really excellent idea!

While this was obviously a horrible thing to have happened, the bright side is that we are able to learn from this mistake without anyone having to pay medical bills. This might just be the wake-up call that was needed before something truly tragic or catastrophic happens. I'm really glad to hear the influential folks are making something positive out of this whole ordeal.

I agree a wake up call was needed. Lets just hope the media stays out of it. That would do the cause harm.

 

[Berylanna]

i for one am glad no one was hurt.

having said that i suspect over time cloud chasing competitions will become more formal and safety orientated.
5 years down the road(if the roads still there) there will probably be local and national organizations promoting and teaching the proper ins and outs of sub-ohming. complete with rules,regulations,memberships and,safety standards.

being at the forefront of technical innovation in the vaping industry i don't see sub-ohming going away any time soon. i also do not have any problem with it if one is schooled in the proper techniques involved.

much like NASCAR is today the sub-ohming community will be tomorrow.
come to think of it though,i don't see any NASCAR racers roaring up and down Payne avenue.

regards
mike

The problem is, the general public (including ME) does not know how to tell if a vaper is "driving" at NASCAR speeds just by seeing him on the street. So, likely to vote against ANY vaping in public. So let's not do this, folks!

 

[Berylanna]

just wondering, do they even check people's IDs at these events?

Yes. They didn't check mine (I'm 62) but anybody that looked under 30 got checked.

 

[UncleChuck]

The kid is a glutton for punishment for real. I felt kind of sorry for him in a way at some of the brutal names they were calling him. GrimmGreen tried to set him straight and that may have worked. The kid obviously has been influenced by YouTube videos by cloud chasers.

That guy is just purely out of his mind and those people don't get offended

Holding a mod with a rag because of the heat literally made my jaw drop, I thought it was some kind of joke video or something at first. He ignored several severe warning signs of impending danger, his other vids show this isn't the first time he's vented batteries either. That guy just disturbed me in a really strange way... not just because of his antics. Seems like an addict or a psychopath.

 

[rondasherrill]

That guy is just purely out of his mind and those people don't get offended

Holding a mod with a rag because of the heat literally made my jaw drop, I thought it was some kind of joke video or something at first. He ignored several severe warning signs of impending danger, his other vids show this isn't the first time he's vented batteries either. That guy just disturbed me in a really strange way... not just because of his antics. Seems like an addict or a psychopath.

I have to wonder if he will upload the video when one vents explosively on him.

 

[dragonpuff]

Sigh... after reading through so many posts on this thread (including the disturbing video of that kid subohming), I would like to add my name to the rather long list of people who think that cloud chasing events like vape blast should require that all attending the event (not just participating) must have their mods inspected at the door. We were extremely lucky this time that no one got hurt, but that may not be the case next time.

It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye

 

[Racehorse]

The event mission is to bring awareness, education and promote responsible vaping in our community.

Okay, then let me ask this:

Were there workshops designed to teach attendees safe vaping?

What were the workshops at this convention?

What strategies, in particular, were employed to generate "awareness, education and promote responsible vaping" during this convention?

I don't know because I did not attend. I don't buy the whole "but vaping is new" excuse. Conventions and trade shows aren't new. Industries dealing with equipment that has to be used correctly as tools of the trade aren't new. They happen in every industry.

Is there a general manager of these conventions? If they have any conference planning experience, they would have consulted with, or had a safety manager/ risk manager on board. Because I know of no convention that I've ever been to, for any industry, that invites hundreds and/or thousands of people to an event that doesn't have that component.

For instance, how many fire extinguishers were available, in the room itself? For a vaping bash, with planned "cloud contests", I would imagine several--- other than the stocks one at the hotel out in the hall way somewhere?

Event Planning 101, Checklist. Note # 9
http://web.mit.edu/eventguide/basicevent/checklist.html

9) Determine if there are any safety hazards that are unusual.

 

[dr g]

Mech mods are more popular than ever..I doubt they go away any time soon. Maybe never because they are so easy to use. I know I'll always use them because I don't like regulated devices. Not everyone buys the rip offs or removes the lock ring on a fire switch. Plenty of VV mod users are ball bags too I would imagine.

Always and never ... forever is a mighty long time

 

[keepsmiling]

after the Challenger exploded.

The Challenger did not explode. Save for another day...

 

[rondasherrill]

The Challenger did not explode. Save for another day...

Call me confused... In what way did the Challenger not explode?

 

[keepsmiling]

Call me confused... In what way did the Challenger not explode?

In every way. My husband has studied this more than I can stand. I will get the short version for you in laymen's terms when he wakes up. If you so choose, there is a lot of info including transcripts which I printed once. Hah didn't realize it was the size of a dictionary and could have printed it on both sides of the paper..lol.
It came apart due to a catastrophic failure{not sure I have that exactly correct, he tells it better} but it did not EXPLODE.

 

[rondasherrill]

In every way. My husband has studied this more than I can stand. I will get the short version for you in laymen's terms when he wakes up. If you so choose, there is a lot of info including transcripts which I printed once. Hah didn't realize it was the size of a dictionary and could have printed it on both sides of the paper..lol.
It came apart due to a catastrophic failure{not sure I have that exactly correct, he tells it better} but it did not EXPLODE.

Very cool. I'd be very interested. My understanding was that O-rings on the solid rocket boosters failed, causing them to explode.

 

[keepsmiling]

Yeah, there was not an explosion. To have an explosion there must be an ignition. It was more like this part came apart and breached that part, causing it to come apart. In fact some of them lived until they hit the water.
Sorry to take to the subject OT. It just bugs me when I see people say it exploded...it's been kind of drilled into my head..

 

[Ryedan]

BTW, the YouTube video by Mr. Hotshot is now age restricted, but he's put up something like six more of them today. Pity you have to be a member to leave a comment.

He is quite a prolific poster of videos. I think he really likes to see himself on screen . Check out the 'brain coil' and stacking two batteries to get a 0.12 ohm setup to work. I reported half a dozen of the videos. The good thing is that the vast majority of people seeing the vids know what he's doing is not safe and are commenting

 

[Ryedan]

Yeah, there was not an explosion. To have an explosion there must be an ignition.

Check out this definition of explosion.

a. A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
b. A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.
c. The loud, sharp sound made as a result of either of these actions.

I really don't think ignition needs to be involved

 

[twgbonehead]

As the saying goes, think of how dumb the average person is and realize half of all people are dumber than that!

Unfortunately these days it seems like 80% of the people are dumber than that!

 

[keepsmiling]

It still did not explode. Here is my best extrapolation of what he said. When there is a shuttle launch, all these people meet and decide if it should. Nearly all of them said no, they should not fly that day due to the temperature outside. They had failure of the O-rings at even higher temps. Two people walked out and actually quit.
As well, there was a huge wind shear, and that is ultimately what did in the shuttle. In cold temps, the O-rings harden, and do not stay pliable, as they should.
The O-rings started to leak, causing the flame from the srb to brake a strut, which sits at the bottom of the structure. This broken strut was forced into the tank, as they went through the wind shear{the worse wind shear a shuttle had ever experienced} This caused a hole in the tank, which just got bigger and bigger, causing it to fail and come apart.
In the transcripts they never actually say that the members of the crew were still alive, but you can deduce this by reading. My husband is pretty certain five of the seven were still alive when they hit the water.
here's a brief timeline of events{you will see it is written that there were some "explosive events" in the timeline, but ultimately the shuttle came apart, it did not explode} This is not the full transcript.
Spaceflight Now | The Challenger Accident | Timeline

 

[Stosh]

Totally agree with everything here, but I think the other poster has a valid point too. While the responsibility issue needs to be addressed, the public is horrible at putting things in context. I used to be involved in RC and heard plenty of stories and saw plenty of pictures about people loosing eyes, blowing things up, etc from their helicopters or from lipo batteries. There are tons and tons of things out there with a much larger risk than vaping that people don't think twice about, so refusing to let them hypocritically frame vaping as some sort of great danger to society seems like a good move.

I would hazard to guess that you RC helicopters were used in a large open field, not a crowded room or walking down a crowded city street. Big difference, limiting cloud competitions to only being held in large open fields would be a solution using your analogy.

On another note I'm a very unhappy camper with this situation. I've used my signature on ECF for years, it has always been a silly joke about the APPEARANCE of the mods we use everyday. Now the actions of a sub culture of the sub-ohm culture by Darwin Award nominees the mods have been taken from appearance to operational reality, forcing me to rethink my wording....