Explosion at Vape Blast

[zoiDman]

... At the end of the day, it's the community that has made this a story, ...

And I am Very Glad that the vaping Community has.

Because a mod, or Any e-Cigarette, Shouldn't Blow Up in a Crowed Room Full of Bystanders.

And if One does, it should be Headline News. So that Every Person who uses an mod, or e-Cigarette, can Learn from Happened.

Learning from a Mistake is a Great Way to Not Replicate the Same or Similar Mistake Again.

 

[Ryedan]

I have Done it Many Times. And with the Worst Battery Possible. A Knock-Off eGo.

Because that is how I Dry Burn My Clearos. And I know from Numerous Occasions that the Coil Wire is going to Pop long before the battery gets Warm.

Even an el-Cheap-O 5 Amp Constant Discharge battery Isn't going to have any Problems providing 1.9 Amps for the 6 ~ 15 Seconds that it is going to take to Pop a 2.2 Ohm Coil.

And a >10 Amp Battery is just going to Laugh at that type of Amp Load.

The risk is if the atty feeds juice well and the coil does does not pop the atty could heat up the battery enough to cause it to vent. We've heard about people who had batteries vent from auto-fire events but did not have low resistance builds. It doesn't happen often, but low resistance builds don't explode often either.

 

[crxess]

PBusardo on Vape Blast - including the incident.

 

[AndriaD]

The risk is if the atty feeds juice well and the coil does does not pop the atty could heat up the battery enough to cause it to vent. We've heard about people who had batteries vent from auto-fire events but did not have low resistance builds. It doesn't happen often, but low resistance builds don't explode often either.

And here's the thing... NO batteries explode *often*... if they did, they probably wouldn't be so commonly used. But an exploding battery is one of those things that even ONCE is way too much for any one individual.

Houses don't burn down too OFTEN... but just once is all it takes! That's the logic I use to explain to people about why it's a bad idea to charge a battery unattended!

Andria

 

[Equilibrium]

PBusardo posted his video on Vape Blast 2, covers what he knows about the explosion and comments on it.

Great video.... thank's for posting!

 

[zoiDman]

FYI the guy who blew up his mod was reported to not even be in the cloud contest.

-- Removed until I watch Phil's New Video. ---

 

[zoiDman]

After Hearing Phil's account of the incident, I am Still Unsure of whether the Guy Was or Wasn't in the Contest.

At 1:20 in Phil's Video, he just says that it was "an incident at the cloud blowing contest"

There seems to be Conflicting Reports as to whether the Guy was in the Contest.

here's another first hand account of the vape blast blast: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/2dvc5z/holy_smokes_explosion_at_vapeblast/

apparently people on the cloud chasers inc facebook page are saying he wasnt in the competition, but others who were there are saying he was.

The guy was in the cloud comp. He was standing to the side of the stage. He had dry cotton on his atty that was to be dripped on by a lady helping to run the cloud comp. As she began dripping on his atty he began to pulse it. after a few sec he dropped the mod damn near between her feet. soon as it blew he ran off.

And the owner of the exploded mod was using a mutant clone. the original creator of the mutant responded on facebook:


....

 

[zoiDman]

PBusardo on Vape Blast - including the incident.

Thank you for Posting this crxess.

And I am Glad to Hear that Phil did Not Try to Downplay the Seriousness of what Happened.

 

[Zealous]

If that's what you think, you haven't been paying attention. There have been at least three other exploding Ecig stories I can think of in the last week or so, one involving a fatality. Those had verifiable facts. Those were in the news, on the tv, etc. in this case, we have turned pure speculation into facts, and that is detrimental to everyone involved. Read back through the thread and tell me I'm wrong.

We should be talking about this. We should be talking about safety, etc. we should not be creating a story to fit our personal vaping agendas.

I have only read about 1 (this one) involving a mechanical mod specifically. The others I've read about involved Egos exploding & I do believe in every case it involved the use of an incorrect charger with the device (I don't recall the detail on the fatality incident so I will have to go back & reread that one but I thought it also involved an Ego).

When you say "we" are turning speculation into facts, I will not consider myself a part of that "we" as I have not believed anyone's speculations on the details of the event. And I never got the feeling that the majority of vapers participating in this conversation are using this incident to promote their own personal vaping agendas. As I said above, this is the first known incident (at least known to me) where a mechanical mod's battery has vented during a public event. It's a big deal to me to learn more about it & I think it should be a big deal to the vaping community as we do not want to see a replay of this event ever. I do not recall hearing about any incidents where an Ego has vented during a public event where other people could be seriously injured. If I did hear of one I would think it equally important to discuss that event too.

 

[crxess]

Well, your Fatality is inconclusive and has nothing to do with the Vape Blast type incidents.

The Cause of Death was still to be determined and will likely never see the light of day in reporting. This could just as simply be a senior citizen passed away and the e-cig was left to pulse cycle on the charger until it failed.
The report clearly says a Small Bedroom fire that was extinguished before fire fighters arrived and the Person was found in another Room.

 

[Ryedan]

And here's the thing... NO batteries explode *often*... if they did, they probably wouldn't be so commonly used. But an exploding battery is one of those things that even ONCE is way too much for any one individual.

Houses don't burn down too OFTEN... but just once is all it takes! That's the logic I use to explain to people about why it's a bad idea to charge a battery unattended!

Exactly Andria. It's all about the risk versus the benefit for me. The two most dangerous things I do are drive a car and woodworking. I hurt myself more often with workshop tools than anything else, but those incidents have always been minor cuts and bruises, though you can lose a finger if you do the wrong thing. I've only been in a couple of car accidents, but the chance of an accident becoming really serious is a lot higher than with a workshop accident. I still do and will continue to do both activities because the benefits from doing them outweigh the risks for me.

The other thing is people need to be able to clearly see the risk in what they do and not everyone can do that. I did a four year apprenticeship to become a machinist and then worked in that trade for another 15 years. The machines I learned on had no guarding or any other safety features to speak of and still mostly do not today. In that environment it becomes quickly obvious if someone can not see risk because they hurt themselves, often. I estimate around 1/3 of the guys I saw start an apprenticeship got out of it because they had accidents and either scared themselves into quitting or got fired because they were dangerous. And those were people who felt inclined to try that trade, I would think it would be even worse in the general population.

And speak of the devil, de jay is at it again and I think he's getting worse

 

[zoiDman]

...

And speak of the devil, de jay is at it again and I think he's getting worse

I like the Way he looks 10:10 in that Video.

You know you are Doing it Right when you are Coughing Up a Lung.

 

[Equilibrium]

And speak of the devil, de jay is at it again and I think he's getting worse

That boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball....

 

[Baditude]

I've had a battery vent/explode at my place of work, is that considered public enough?



It was in a mechanical mod using a 2.0 ohm cartotank using a Trustfire protected 14500 ICR battery, the very battery recommended at the time the incident happened two years ago. The mod was in a pants pocket in my work locker, the fire switch became compressed and over-discharged the battery to the point of thermal runaway. The ends of the battery blew apart, melted the cell, spewed chemical and flames (pants were badly burnt and ruined). Had I not found the mod when I did, I'm not sure whether the "fire" would have been contained inside the locker. The battery hot spring failed to collapse to prevent a battery failure. The protective circuit in the battery failed to prevent battery failure.

User error? Probably, but I plead ignorance. I'd only had my mechanical for a couple of weeks prior to this incident and knew very little about mod or battery saftey. This subject was never talked about on ECF at the time. Knowing what I know now:

• I should have been using the safer-chemistry IMR batteries, even though "everyone" at that time was warning not to use unprotected batteries (IMR) and use only protected batteries in mechanical mods. A lot has changed in the last couple of years concerning battery chemistries and what batteries should be used in mods.
  
  
• I should have either removed the atomizer (cartotank) or the batteries when not in use. This particular mechanical did not have vent holes (design allowed venting out the fire switch, which it did) nor did it have a lockable fire switch (side fire horn button).

 

[Ryedan]

I like the Way he looks 10:10 in that Video.

You know you are Doing it Right when you are Coughing Up a Lung.

Holy ****, I had not watched the video past the first couple of minute when I posted the link. Stacked batteries at 0.04 ohms is 200 amps on each when fully charged! And if the set up is really 0.03 ohms it's 280A.

Off to complain to Youtube.

 

[xibxang]

He's doing it again...

 

[Equilibrium]

I'll say it again........ I bet his folks are soooooo proud!!!

It'll be a closed casket service.

 

[zoiDman]

Holy ****, I had not watched the video past the first couple of minute when I posted the link. Stacked batteries at 0.04 ohms is 200 amps on each when fully charged! And if the set up is really 0.03 ohms it's 280A.

Off to complain to Youtube.

I didn't Watch the Entire Video also. I just Sipped ahead to see if he was using his "Vaping Towel" again. And noticed that he was Hacking up a Bronchiole while trying to Fog Up his room.

I've got Nothing Against Sub-Ohmers or Cloud Chasers. But this Dude is about as Irresponsible as it gets.

 

[ScottChensoda]

I've just lodged a complaint with You Tube and if many others did, perhaps he would be taken down.

 

[zoiDman]

I'll say it again........ I bet his folks are soooooo proud!!!

It'll be a closed casket service.

People like Never seem to Die. They just Blow Off their Hand.

And then get some Greasy Lawyer and try to Sue the Battery and Mod OEM.