Explosion at Vape Blast

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

Sigh...

Why should Congress be Giving an Opinion on RC Battery or Car Races?

Is there a Problem? Is there Potential for Addiction? Are Underage People involved when you would like them to be Not? Are the Health Risks Known? Is there a Ginormous Potential Tax Stream? Is there the Potential for a Huge Black Market? Are BB Monies shaping Policy?


Not Sure where these Analogies between _______ and e-Cigarettes come from? Or why People think they are Relevant?

No kidding.
Perhaps before we worry about educating about mods, tanks, batteries, etc. we should stress why the education is important: because it could all go away.

We have all been Peter Pan's living in Never-Never Land singing "I Won't Grow Up" while an asteroid is is on a collision course to wipe it out.

 

[Berylanna]

No kidding.
Perhaps before we worry about educating about mods, tanks, batteries, etc. we should stress why the education is important: because it could all go away.

We've been stressing the "it could all go away" thing (though I was astonished at how many attendees at Vape Blast were surprised to hear it!) -- almost everybody who knew that was already a member of either CASAA, VM, or SFATA.

However, I don't think we can wait on the "don't wipe out our chances" stuff either, though the offenders call it divisive to bring it to their attention. We need to find positive (better, Fun!) ways to present the information.

 

[zoiDman]

No kidding.
Perhaps before we worry about educating about mods, tanks, batteries, etc. we should stress why the education is important: because it could all go away.

We have all been Peter Pan's living in Never-Never Land singing "I Won't Grow Up" while an asteroid is is on a collision course to wipe it out.

I'd kinda like to do Both. But Both seem to be an Up Hill Battle.

Ad Both seem to be left to the Ones who have the Lest. Grassroots Consumers.

 

[Ryedan]

Not to turn this thread into a clone bash. But how can OEM's stand up and make mods with the vents on the + end and the cloners just omit it on their reproduction. We have all seen this happen.

I have actually not seen this happen. Most clones I know of are pretty close replicas of the original in physical features not related to material selection or size tolerances. My K100 has the same positive end vent holes as the original Empire mod has. My Nemesis has none same as the original.

 

[zoiDman]

[INTERNAL]

Don't mention that Some Times "Clones" are made by the Same Company that makes the Genuine. And that it is Merely a way to Capture More Market Share for a Given Product.

[/INTERNAL]

 

[Ryedan]

For some reason I decided to check in on vape rag idiot....dude is still posting vids. How has this guy not blown his face off yet? I guess the key word there is yet....

Because IMR and hybrid Li-ion batteries really are quite safe. It's when a few things come together the wrong way that it can still get nasty. That could be what happened at Vapeblast in that he dropped a venting battery, but we don't know what kind of battery the dude was using.

But vape rag idiot is really, really pushing his luck!

 

[Ryedan]

[INTERNAL]

Don't mention that Some Times "Clones" are made by the Same Company that makes the Genuine. And that it is Merely a way to Capture More Market Share for a Given Product.

[/INTERNAL]

LOL, are you whispering zoiDman?

 

[zoiDman]

LOL, are you whispering zoiDman?

Who... Me? Whispering? Who's Whispering? Not sure where Whispering came from? I haven't Posted here since Around 5'clock.

Not Sure what you mean?

[NOTETOSELF] That damn INTERNAL VB Command didn't work for some reason. Ryedan is on to things about Clones. Come up with a Something Quick before Others Catch On.

[/NOTETOSELF]

 

[dam718]

You know, there are a lot of things that we like to take to a competitive level...

Just cause I don't do the whole cloud chasing scene, doesn't mean I don't appreciate those that do. I think it's fun to watch...

Much in the same way I am a HUGE race fan... Formula 1, NASCAR, NHRA, IndyCar, Australian Super 8's, You name it, if it involves racing cars, I love it! Now, I don't own a race car, nor am I courageous enough to get out on the track anymore, but man I just love to watch!

That said... Racing cars is DANGEROUS! And every single sanctioning body has very strict rules in place to ensure the safety of both the competitors AND the fans, as well as keep things relatively equal in terms of the specifications of the cars.

So, I would say, as many have said over the last 70+ pages of this thread, that if there are going to be cloud chasing competitions, then there needs to be rules.

And not just rules set up by some random person, but a no kidding sanctioning body. With real inspections of all the components involved...

Electronics technicians performing inspections with highly accurate fluke meters... To check the ohm load of the atomizer... To check the mod for proper venting and safety features. Battery EXPERTS performing inspections on the batteries... If your battery can't achieve 120% of the continuous current requirement of the setup, then it's a no go. No more riding on the edge of the battery amp limits. A retaining wall that separates the active vaper from the crowd made from bulletproof rated plexiglass. If it can stop a bullet, it can stop some shrapnel from a venting mod.

All things that have been said... And if we're going to continue to promote these contests at vape meets, which I personally think are entertaining, then have a sanctioning body and do it with respect for the safety of the competitors and the spectators.

Would it be a hassle? Sure it would... But at every level of competition, there are rules and a sanctioning body, even in little league baseball and something as silly as racing remote control cars...

It wouldn't take a load of money, the staff from each competition would be volunteers from the local community who have to pass a certification exam.

It would keep things safe, and fun... And that's what these cloud chasing competitions are all about... Having a little fun!

 

[a wandering soul]

Of course. But I've thought it for years. My husband and I, both with IQs above 145, have one child. We knew a couple in Michigan whose COMBINED IQ probably wasn't 145 -- who had 5 children.

It's no wonder at all that there are so many stupid people. They apparently don't know where babies come from.

Andria

That is the premise for the movie idiocracy.

Via a possessed phone thats autocorrect is just silly

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

No.

There are millions of people on this planet that aren't the least bit aware that batteries are dangerous.
And those people are NOT stupid, they just have never been MADE aware.

Some people here seem to think it's obvious or something.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but it's not.

You may be correct that some folks are simply not aware that batteries can be dangerous, however this does not preclude them from getting the stupid tag.

Smart people tend to understand that what they don't know is what is most likely to hurt them regardless of what it is they don't know about.

Smart folk ask questions, then ask more, then keep asking till they know enough to make an educated decision based on what they consider acceptable risk.

Maurice

 

[TheRac25]

[INTERNAL]

Don't mention that Some Times "Clones" are made by the Same Company that makes the Genuine. And that it is Merely a way to Capture More Market Share for a Given Product.

[/INTERNAL]

or to sell the defects that dont make it past qc

 

[Berylanna]

You may be correct that some folks are simply not aware that batteries can be dangerous, however this does not preclude them from getting the stupid tag.

Smart people tend to understand that what they don't know is what is most likely to hurt them regardless of what it is they don't know about.

Smart folk ask questions, then ask more, then keep asking till they know enough to make an educated decision based on what they consider acceptable risk.

Maurice

Smart folks are used to alkaline batteries and have no reason to assume there's something to go find out. So are dumb folks. Smart folks have difficult jobs that their brains dwell on in between helping their kids with their homework because the teachers are no longer smart women whose only career choices were teacher, nurse, secretary, or homemaker.

 

[Ryedan]

Smart folks are used to alkaline batteries and have no reason to assume there's something to go find out. So are dumb folks. Smart folks have difficult jobs that their brains dwell on in between helping their kids with their homework because the teachers are no longer smart women whose only career choices were teacher, nurse, secretary, or homemaker.

Hey, alkaline batteries explode and catch fire too. Google 'alkaline batteries explode' and you'll get pages of hits. This is one. The thing is this is not newsworthy so when it happens no-one hears about it. I used to think NiMH were safe, but they can burn too.

It really is all about a person's exposure to this stuff. If I had not got into RC planes or vaping I would know nothing about batteries. The only reason I knew about alkaline batteries was from researching batteries for vaping.

 

[zoiDman]

ANY Battery can Fail. Period. No Exceptions.

But look at the Household items around you that take Batteries to run. How Many of them are Designed to Push the Bleeding Edge Limits of a Battery they contain?

Now go back and watch the Dish Rage Man's videos where he uses a Pair of Stacked 26650 Batteries in a Mech Mod running a .03 Ohm Build.

How many Design Similarities do you see?

 

[Equilibrium]

LOL... Some of the "smartest" people I've ever met were also the dumbest people I've ever met.

I know a guy with a Dr in mathematics from MIT. Very smart man! He got my 4x4 tractor stuck slab dab in the middle of a perfectly good, dry gravel road. Smart beyond his capacity BUT dumb as a rock.

 

[zoiDman]

LOL... Some of the "smartest" people I've ever met were also the dumbest people I've ever met.

I know a guy with a Dr in mathematics from MIT. Very smart man! He got my 4x4 tractor stuck slab dab in the middle of a perfectly good, dry gravel road. Smart beyond his capacity BUT dumb as a rock.

Incorrect.

It has been Scientifically Shown that people who hold degrees in Mathematics are Smarter than the General Public.

And the Meer Fact that 4 out of 3 People have problems with Fractions should be Proof of this.

 

[Equilibrium]

incorrect.

It has been scientifically shown that people who hold degrees in mathematics are smarter than the general public.

And the meer fact that 4 out of 3 people have problems with fractions should be proof of this.

lol..........

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Smart folks are used to alkaline batteries and have no reason to assume there's something to go find out. So are dumb folks. Smart folks have difficult jobs that their brains dwell on in between helping their kids with their homework because the teachers are no longer smart women whose only career choices were teacher, nurse, secretary, or homemaker.

Smart folks don't hold difficult jobs, they hold jobs where their abilities are usable to their advantage. They tend to not be excessively burdened by the tasks put to them because they are smart enough to accomplish needed tasks without excessive pondering on the subject.

Difficult jobs are jobs where a person of little wisdom has decided to stray away from where their skills place them in an advantaged position, this is the crossover point where wisdom and intelligence coexist.

A smart mathematician does not teach English, he or she teaches math. A smart body builder does not teach math, he or she focuses on the improvement of their body. The list goes on and on.

Smart people are curious people, and are able to identify through observation of and interaction with the world around them what it is that they are or are not sufficiently skilled in doing.

A smart person is above all else, a rare breed.

Maurice

 

[zoiDman]

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A smart mathematician does not teach English, he or she teaches math. A smart body builder does not teach math, he or she focuses on the improvement of their body. The list goes on and on.

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Damn Straight.