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with a regulated mod, pretty minimal - they have safety circuitry built into the chip set... with a mech mod, really completely user dependent (understand battery safety, ohms law and apply them - use a GOOD battery, don't try a crazy low ohm build that exceeds battery operating parameters (and allow yourself a safety margin), and make sure firing button is locked when not in use)
some potential exists for battery issues while charging - that is why i only use external chargers and only while i am present (in case there was an issue) - personally, i don't tend to charge overnight (since my charging station is downstairs in my office) and i DON'T leave batteries on the charger when i leave the house
battery safety starts with good batteries, sister
some potential exists for battery issues while charging - that is why i only use external chargers and only while i am present (in case there was an issue) - personally, i don't tend to charge overnight (since my charging station is downstairs in my office) and i DON'T leave batteries on the charger when i leave the house
battery safety starts with good batteries, sister
If you are using regulated mods the chances of it exploding in your face while vaping is rather remote. Probably on the order of the likelihood of your cell phone exploding in your face while talking on it (and that has happened and may not even be "rare", just google cellphone explosion or some such thing).
The vast majority of exploding mod reports involve unprotected mech mods. Those devices require in depth knowledge of basic electrical theory and battery/device safety. Humans being what they are, a significant percentage using any product that has potential risk will not educate themselves, and then the law of large numbers prevails. Despite that, even mech mods seem to have pretty decent safety records, it's just that the isolated incidents are widely reported in the media and used as propaganda by anti-vaping interests.
There are occasional reports of chargers and/or mods catching fire while charging, particularly mods using built in charging circuits. And again, this is not uncommon at all with cell phone/tablet/laptop products. It is an inherent potential hazard with any lithium battery powered device and/or lithium batteries.
The vast majority of exploding mod reports involve unprotected mech mods. Those devices require in depth knowledge of basic electrical theory and battery/device safety. Humans being what they are, a significant percentage using any product that has potential risk will not educate themselves, and then the law of large numbers prevails. Despite that, even mech mods seem to have pretty decent safety records, it's just that the isolated incidents are widely reported in the media and used as propaganda by anti-vaping interests.
There are occasional reports of chargers and/or mods catching fire while charging, particularly mods using built in charging circuits. And again, this is not uncommon at all with cell phone/tablet/laptop products. It is an inherent potential hazard with any lithium battery powered device and/or lithium batteries.
There is a likelihood of ANY lithium battery going into 'thermal runaway'.
Can affect anything with that type of battery in it, not just mods.
Remember Boeing's 787 airplane ? Got grounded for months because they had major problems with the batteries too.
But when you look at the sheer number of batteries in just about anything mobile/portable - the statistics are very much in your favour. In fact, if the FDA made their regs as good as the manufacturers make their batteries, we'd be living in a place that would make Shang-ri-La look like hell's outpost...
There's plenty of posts and threads here about battery safety - all of it very sensible advice.
Know your stuff - no different than driving a car or riding a bike.
If you do something like the guy on YT that gets paraded up and down by the ANTZ - sorry.
BBQing the family jewels by jangling unprotected battery with spare change in the same pocket is begging for the next Darwin Award...
Can affect anything with that type of battery in it, not just mods.
Remember Boeing's 787 airplane ? Got grounded for months because they had major problems with the batteries too.
But when you look at the sheer number of batteries in just about anything mobile/portable - the statistics are very much in your favour. In fact, if the FDA made their regs as good as the manufacturers make their batteries, we'd be living in a place that would make Shang-ri-La look like hell's outpost...
There's plenty of posts and threads here about battery safety - all of it very sensible advice.
Know your stuff - no different than driving a car or riding a bike.
If you do something like the guy on YT that gets paraded up and down by the ANTZ - sorry.
BBQing the family jewels by jangling unprotected battery with spare change in the same pocket is begging for the next Darwin Award...
Chances for a mech mod to actually explode is statistically higher (source: news media) than regulated mods due to the nature of their design. regulated mods have "more" failsafe measures to prevent a battery from over stressing and even when these measures fail, most regulated mods have empty space in them so that you at least have some time to react and notice something wrong before the pressure builds up leading to a possible explosion in your face.
Regardless, battery safety and understanding is a must whether you use mech or regulated.
With mech its all about your build, the well being of your mod, and the health of your battery.
IE: Ohms law where Amperage = Voltage / Resistance
For regulated its the health of the battery and your mods power output.
IE: Watts law where Amperage = Wattage / (Voltage x device efficiency)
It all comes down to the allowed CDR on your battery (Amperage) VS either your build (resistance) or your power output (wattage).
I have the reputation on ECF as being a safety advocate, or a fear mongerer, depending upon who you listen to.
I had a battery explode in my first mechanical mod when I began vaping a few years ago. Back then, my experience with batteries had been limited to the alkaline batteries you put in flashlights and portable radios. If you left the power button on in those devices, the battery would just drain until dead. Little did I know that if you (inadvertently) leave the power button on in a mechanical mod that a lithium-ion battery will probably explode.
This incident prompted me to educate myself on batteries and safety practices. I share what I learned in my three blogs:
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 1
Self-education, being an informed user, and using common sense are the keys to safety. As others have said above, a regulated mod has protection circuitry against short circuits, timed auto cutoff of the fire button, over and under discharge protection of the battery, etc. Regulated mods which use an internal battery and onboard charging board probably have a higher risk of developing a fire than charging a battery in an external box charger for mods that use external removeable batteries.
When it comes to advanced mass-marketed systems like cell phones, laptops, and hybrid electric cars, the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a very dangerous mix.
Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the batterys operating limits. The high-end flashlights, ecig mods, and remote control toys come to mind as applications that really push the limits of batteries. With the RC toys the device is physically far removed from the person so a mishap is inconsequential. With ecig mods a mishap is literally in the persons face.
The lithium batteries that we use in mods were not originally intended for what we are using them for. In fact, I have read that Panasonic, Sanyo, Sony, and Samsung, don't even like the fact that we're using these batteries because they were not intended for single cell, unprotected use in any consumer device.
These high drain (high current) 18650 lithium batteries have the explosive power of an M-80 firecracker, or 1/4 stick of dynamite. So they contain a lot of energy in a small space. Therefore, we must respect that power by following some basic safe battery practices. You'll find those practices in my above blogs.
mechanical mod explosion
Nearly all of the mod explosions that have been reported in the media recently have been associated with young white males using a mechanical mod who didn't bother educating themselves about their gear or batteries. Many of these have been suspected or confirmed to have been using a particular class of mechanical mod known as a "direct-battery" mod, or "faux-hybrid" mod, and using an incompatible juice attachment on top ... leading to a hard shorted battery which went into thermal runaway. It's also common sense that any user who pushes their batteries beyond their continuous discharge rate, or amp limit, are at a greater risk for an explosion. I'm also an advocate for mechanical mods to have adequate vent holes in case a battery vents inside the mod; with inadequate venting a metal tube mechanical becomes a pipe bomb.
One more blog article:
I had a battery explode in my first mechanical mod when I began vaping a few years ago. Back then, my experience with batteries had been limited to the alkaline batteries you put in flashlights and portable radios. If you left the power button on in those devices, the battery would just drain until dead. Little did I know that if you (inadvertently) leave the power button on in a mechanical mod that a lithium-ion battery will probably explode.
This incident prompted me to educate myself on batteries and safety practices. I share what I learned in my three blogs:
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 1
- For those who want to learn the differences between IMR, IMR/hybrid, ICR, and LiPo batteries. What do those numbers and letters on batteries mean? What's an amp rating and why is it more important than the mAh rating when choosing a battery for vaping?
- A popular and essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
- Covers the differences between a mechanical vs. regulated mod, essential safety accessories, optional safety accessories to add layers of safety to your mech, routine maintanance, use of proper batteries, proper ventilation, low resistance vaping, battery/mod explosions, and faux hybrid mods.
When it comes to advanced mass-marketed systems like cell phones, laptops, and hybrid electric cars, the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a very dangerous mix.
Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the batterys operating limits. The high-end flashlights, ecig mods, and remote control toys come to mind as applications that really push the limits of batteries. With the RC toys the device is physically far removed from the person so a mishap is inconsequential. With ecig mods a mishap is literally in the persons face.
The lithium batteries that we use in mods were not originally intended for what we are using them for. In fact, I have read that Panasonic, Sanyo, Sony, and Samsung, don't even like the fact that we're using these batteries because they were not intended for single cell, unprotected use in any consumer device.
These high drain (high current) 18650 lithium batteries have the explosive power of an M-80 firecracker, or 1/4 stick of dynamite. So they contain a lot of energy in a small space. Therefore, we must respect that power by following some basic safe battery practices. You'll find those practices in my above blogs.
mechanical mod explosion
Nearly all of the mod explosions that have been reported in the media recently have been associated with young white males using a mechanical mod who didn't bother educating themselves about their gear or batteries. Many of these have been suspected or confirmed to have been using a particular class of mechanical mod known as a "direct-battery" mod, or "faux-hybrid" mod, and using an incompatible juice attachment on top ... leading to a hard shorted battery which went into thermal runaway. It's also common sense that any user who pushes their batteries beyond their continuous discharge rate, or amp limit, are at a greater risk for an explosion. I'm also an advocate for mechanical mods to have adequate vent holes in case a battery vents inside the mod; with inadequate venting a metal tube mechanical becomes a pipe bomb.
- Practice safe battery habits at all times
- Use only the best batteries you can obtain made by the more reputable manufacturers: LG, Samsung, Sony, and AW
- Inspect your batteries daily for torn insulation wraps
- Avoid short circuits at all costs
- Don't put your batteries in your mod or charger the wrong way
- Use your batteries and mod within their designed limits
- Use common sense, don't transport naked batteries in a pocket or purse where they can come into contact with coins or keys. Protect spare batteries in plastic battery cases.
- If you are new to ecig mods, use a regulated mod over a mechanical mod, at least until you have educated yourself about mechanical mod safety.
One more blog article:
- Guide to help a novice in choosing a charger. Covers recommended brands, suggestions for the number of charging bays you'll need, independent bays, LED or LCD models, and "smart chargers".
- If using a regulated mod within its recommended use, very little chance for an explosion
- If using a mechanical mod, the risk for explosion is greater because of a lack of protection circuity; the risk could be comparable to using a regulated mod if the informed end user diligently practices safe battery practices. Risk increases proportionately if the end user is uninformed about their gear, if using batteries over their recommended amp limit, or if using a direct battery mod with an inappropriate juice attachment.
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Yes to all the above insightful advice.
And...turn your mod OFF when in your purse or transporting. Inadvertent firing is an avoidable hazard..
And...turn your mod OFF when in your purse or transporting. Inadvertent firing is an avoidable hazard..
You have gotten some very good advice, I would add for maximum safety:
- Always use a regulated mod, the only devices I have only seen have an issue is a "noisy cricket" which is an unregulated box, basically two batteries and a switch with no protection at all. With an unregulated mod like this a short in the build = shorted batteries with no protection.
- Charge batteries in an external charger. Issues tend to happen when batteries are charging or discharging. using an external charger eliminates half of this. Also external chargers can be placed on a counter away from any flammable items and away from your body.
- Use good batteries, get plugged into a good local vape store you trust. Check sources like this forum for recommendations on quality batteries.
- High current drain from low ohm builds stress batteries. If you really don't need super low ohms, don't use these, your batteries will appreciate it. I vape for flavor personally, I still get clouds, good flavor and since I vape at around 15 watts, great battery life.
- VERY IMPORTANT - observe the condition of your batteries. ANY damage to the wrap around the battery or other signs of damage dispose of properly.
- Remove your tank, rda, rta, etc from your mod when not in use. No coil, no circuit to short or get hot. This also can prevent damage to your 510 connector.
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There is a wealth of vaping safety information here. However, let's not forget that Grace, the OP, may be using an Evod style clearomizer on an Ego battery. She might have information overload resulting in more confusion and intimidation than anything else. I'm confused too, because I have no idea how to find the CDR of a typical Ego battery
*Safety mongerer
Ego's use LiPo chemistry batteries, just like the regulated mods with internal non-removeable batteries. For some reason the manufacturers of LiPo batteries don't typically list the continuous discharge rate (CDR) of their batteries.I'm confused too, because I have no idea how to find the CDR of a typical Ego battery
The removeable, external batteries are of a IMR or INR chemistry, and the continuous discharge rate, along with the capacity rating (mAh) is listed on the product information sheet.
AW IMR18650 3000mAh 20A FLAT TOP
Specifications :
Nominal Voltage : 3.7V
Capacity : 3000mAh
Lowest Discharge Voltage : 2.50V
Standard Charge Rate: CC/CV ( 1.5A - 4A max.)
Cycle Life : > 500 cycles
Max. continuous discharge rate : 20A
Operating Discharge Temperature : -20 - 60 Degree Celsius
Dimensions : (18.30 mm x 65.00 mm) (+/- 0.20 mm)
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No, I actually understood your point. My answer was addressed to YOU. Perhaps you weren't really interested in knowing an eGo battery's CDR.
Concerning the OP, it's often difficult to judge on an internet forum how informed a poster is, and just how much information we veterans should provide them. Yes there is a risk of information overload. But we should also be a resource to provide as much information that they can handle. I often feel that I have "cheated" someone out of what might be important information if I don't include it if the answer is applicable to the question. That's why I include links to my detailed blog articles to be used for future reference.
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For future reference, I'm fully aware of what you said. I wasn't asking for yet more minutia regarding CDR. I was merely emphasizing the idea of information over!oad. And that is why I think you missed my point.
At this point it would be imminently helpful if @Earthtograce confirmed the specific equipment she is using as well as anything she might be currently contemplating in the near future.
Yes, information overload, I get it, I remember rda, rta, tanks, coils, vp, pg, ohms law, amps, volts, current, oh my.
Old geek, old brain
Advice to new user,
Cigarettes bad - vaping good
Stay away from the hardcore extremes ultra lo ohms, unregulated mods, find vaper you can talk to and trust, like at a local vape store, let excessive info flow by, eventually most will make sense. If teenage boys think it's cool and awesome it is probably risky. I was one long ago.
Read information from UK about how much better vaping is then smoking. Our FDA is heavily influenced (understatement) by big tobacco. Don't forget all the common sense you learned about stuff just because it's vaping.
I'll shut up now.
Old geek, old brain
Advice to new user,
Cigarettes bad - vaping good
Stay away from the hardcore extremes ultra lo ohms, unregulated mods, find vaper you can talk to and trust, like at a local vape store, let excessive info flow by, eventually most will make sense. If teenage boys think it's cool and awesome it is probably risky. I was one long ago.
Read information from UK about how much better vaping is then smoking. Our FDA is heavily influenced (understatement) by big tobacco. Don't forget all the common sense you learned about stuff just because it's vaping.
I'll shut up now.
Very informative and very good info. Thanks all! I appreciate it
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Let me ask the original poster.
Were my answers above too much "Information Overload"?
Would you have preferred a "Don't worry. If you use an eGo battery or regulated mod you're good to go. Just don't use one of those pipe bomb mechanical mods."
Sorry for the confusion , I do actually have the eGo-C Twist for now.
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Let me ask the original poster.
Were my answers above too much "Information Overload"?
Would you have preferred a "Don't worry. If you use an eGo battery or regulated mod you're good to go. Just don't use one of those pipe bomb mechanical mods."
It was a lot to read but not an overload. I'm a newbie so I definitely can use all the info I can get. Thanks again
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