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What Causes Heart Disease? | Weston A Price
"There are dozens of risk factors for heart disease. Those cited most often by medical orthodoxy include high blood cholesterol, smoking, lack of exercise, stress and overweight....
One factor of apparent importance is smoking, which has been associated in many studies with an increased risk of coronary mortality, even after correction for other risk factors. It is easy to speculate on the mechanism by which smoking causes heart disease. Exposure to fumes containing free radicals may promote the growth of atherosclerotic plaques. Perhaps chronic carbon monoxide intoxication limits the heart’s utilization of oxygen.
But the picture is more complex than simple cause and effect. In a multi-year British study involving several thousand men, half were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol in their diets, to stop smoking and to increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. After one year, those on the “good” diet had 100 percent more deaths than those on the “bad” diet, in spite of the fact that those men on the “bad” diet continued to smoke.2 In a study of Indians from Bombay and Punjab, researchers found that those from Punjab had one-fifth the number of heart attacks even though they smoked eight times more cigarettes.3 And while smoking was widespread at the turn of the century, myocardial infarction was not. This suggests that there may be factors in traditional diets that protect against the negative effects of smoking. It also raises the question of whether additives now used in cigarette paper and filters and changes in the curing process itself have exacerbated the harmful effects of cigarette use.
Perhaps the association between smoking and heart disease is really an association with some other factor—stress, biochemical imbalances, nutrient deficiencies—that creates the desire or the need to smoke. Often when people quit smoking they become nervous and overweight, which may seem a bad bargain of one risk factor in exchange for two more."
"There are dozens of risk factors for heart disease. Those cited most often by medical orthodoxy include high blood cholesterol, smoking, lack of exercise, stress and overweight....
One factor of apparent importance is smoking, which has been associated in many studies with an increased risk of coronary mortality, even after correction for other risk factors. It is easy to speculate on the mechanism by which smoking causes heart disease. Exposure to fumes containing free radicals may promote the growth of atherosclerotic plaques. Perhaps chronic carbon monoxide intoxication limits the heart’s utilization of oxygen.
But the picture is more complex than simple cause and effect. In a multi-year British study involving several thousand men, half were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol in their diets, to stop smoking and to increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. After one year, those on the “good” diet had 100 percent more deaths than those on the “bad” diet, in spite of the fact that those men on the “bad” diet continued to smoke.2 In a study of Indians from Bombay and Punjab, researchers found that those from Punjab had one-fifth the number of heart attacks even though they smoked eight times more cigarettes.3 And while smoking was widespread at the turn of the century, myocardial infarction was not. This suggests that there may be factors in traditional diets that protect against the negative effects of smoking. It also raises the question of whether additives now used in cigarette paper and filters and changes in the curing process itself have exacerbated the harmful effects of cigarette use.
Perhaps the association between smoking and heart disease is really an association with some other factor—stress, biochemical imbalances, nutrient deficiencies—that creates the desire or the need to smoke. Often when people quit smoking they become nervous and overweight, which may seem a bad bargain of one risk factor in exchange for two more."
Not attacking anyone. Just trying to save them from themselves and the dangers of kanthal vapors.
As a smoker of 47 years I would like to take time to share my experiences with you. I started smoking at age of 10 years old stealing my fathers camel non filtered cigarettes switching over to Marlboro and smoked for 47 years. At the age of 40 years old I had a massive heart attack while using the patch. On the way to the Hospital I had to be fibrillated two times and several other times while Dr. saved my life. After getting out of the hospital about three weeks later I was back on cigarettes and continued to smoke for the next 18 years. Then I had another heart attack December 2013 eight months ago. After which I was headed right back to cigarettes when I was introduced to vaping. I have not smoked a cigarette since and plan not to. I started out at 12% nicotine and have reduced down to 2% nicotine. My plans are to be nicotine free by March of 2015 and free at last. I just recently had a heart Doctors appointment on the 14th of July 2014 and the Dr. told me that my lungs were not rattling and sounding much better. As a matter of fact I do not have to go back to him for a whole year and just so you know my first heart attack I received 2 stents then my last one I received 2 more. And yes I discussed my vaping with my doctor, we also talked about why the NRT’s did not work and what all I had tried which was hypnosis, patches, gum, lozenges all of them. He told me that he was glad vaping had gotten me away from smoking.
Let me tell you folks how I feel about this forum. We are definitely being lied to by our own Government and by the very people that want to shut down this incredible product. But for once I can honestly say this is a place where I can come and get an honest answer. You all had ought to be proud of the hard work that has been done right here on this forum. And for your information it is my decision as to whether to smoke or vape and the later is my choice. For 47 years I fought to get away from combustibles and finally I did. Had it not been for my Son who has vaped for the last 6 years and the honesty on this forum I may not be here right now. I was told that if I didn’t quit I wouldn’t be around much longer. Again thank you all for the hard work you have done.
Let me tell you folks how I feel about this forum. We are definitely being lied to by our own Government and by the very people that want to shut down this incredible product. But for once I can honestly say this is a place where I can come and get an honest answer. You all had ought to be proud of the hard work that has been done right here on this forum. And for your information it is my decision as to whether to smoke or vape and the later is my choice. For 47 years I fought to get away from combustibles and finally I did. Had it not been for my Son who has vaped for the last 6 years and the honesty on this forum I may not be here right now. I was told that if I didn’t quit I wouldn’t be around much longer. Again thank you all for the hard work you have done.
To add to this, researchers have been puzzled for a long time over why the cancer rate is so low in Japan when the smoking rate is so high there
most suggest there are protective factors in their diet.Congratulations on Quitting Smoking Rlrick.
As someone who Smoked almost as long as you did, I know how Difficult it can be to give up something you did for So Long.
To add to this, researchers have been puzzled for a long time over why the cancer rate is so low in Japan when the smoking rate is so high there
I think Kent brings up a Very Important factor of Over-All Heath. And that is Diet & Exercise.
To add to this, researchers have been puzzled for a long time over why the cancer rate is so low in Japan when the smoking rate is so high there
Yep. That's been a 'puzzle' for years - highest smoking rate in the world (the men) and lowest lung cancer cases. (at one point in time) .., although a lot of stomach cancer, if I recall correctly. I have to hand it to health officials that don't state 'x causes y' and bring in other factors - genetic, and other stuff. Asbestosis, is worse for smokers who have handled asbestos and not that big a problem for those who don't. And some make the argument that 'disturbing the asbestos' was more dangerous than just leaving it there but there were federal, state and local regs passed to remove it from all public buildings, etc. There are so many causes of stuff and combinations of causes, no one can say stuff like "the only reason why they put flavors in eliquid is to entice children"
I also know there are 'studies' that say all the above is not true
Yes I agree with what Kent C said not only is it diet and exercise but stress along with genetics also plays a large role in how your body handles everything. The main reason I posted on here was to let everyone know that I am really proud of how a group of people that can be honest about everything being posted. And when there is doubt they will call them out and ask them to prove it.
To add to this, researchers have been puzzled for a long time over why the cancer rate is so low in Japan when the smoking rate is so high there
The japanese eat a huge amount of soy... "Hot flashes" are apparently almost completely unknown among menopausal japanese women, because of the phyto-estrogens in soy. Real estrogen can be a definite causative factor in many cancers of women, but apparently the plant kind (phyto-estrogen) has some protective effect.
Andria
Oh and soy is too much sodium!!! Did you see recently there was a study showing 'salt' isn't all that bad after all? And Trans fats are now good for you. "People should switch from butter to margarine!" Decades later: "Actually butter is better for you, sorry.... "
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They also eat tons of seafood
a lot of stuff most of us don't eat, like octopus and squid mmmm yummy!With such a varied diet it's hard to tell where the protective factors come from. I say it's probably a combination of many parts of their diet.
I wonder how many "picture of health" people out there who are against vapers?
Go to Golden Corral at lunchtime, LOL. Most heart attacks waiting to happen.
Out of all the anti health vices out there; smoking, overweight, really fat, alcoholism, baking in the sun with oil coated body, etc, I choose vaping as my vice. If my children have a vice I would hope it's vaping.
Everything in life has risks or side effects. Even oxygen. Read any insert that comes with a medication. Vaping is not known at this point to have a list of side effects that need a whole page of risks. Vaping has actually improved the health of ex-smokers immensely. Isn't that what it's all about? Can anyone think of ONE positive effect from smoking?
I have yet to talk to anyone who does not include nicotine as being dangerous and cancer causing.
In the past 5 years, I have seen more and more people carrying personal vapers, and it is beginning to feel like people are learning that a vaper has quit smoking in a positive way. I actually run into more people now days who I approach and click PV's with meaning "good for you!". I've seen my first PV being used in a reality show by a restaurant owner on Restaurant Impossible. I run in to more and more people who ask questions about the pv I carry. We are making progress. But I still really hate the reference to "electronic cigarette" . To bad this forum can't be called E-cigarette NOT .com . If someone asks me if that's one of those electronic cigarettes, I say no , it's a personal vaporizer and has nothing to do with cigarettes and smoking.
Go to Golden Corral at lunchtime, LOL. Most heart attacks waiting to happen.
Out of all the anti health vices out there; smoking, overweight, really fat, alcoholism, baking in the sun with oil coated body, etc, I choose vaping as my vice. If my children have a vice I would hope it's vaping.
Everything in life has risks or side effects. Even oxygen. Read any insert that comes with a medication. Vaping is not known at this point to have a list of side effects that need a whole page of risks. Vaping has actually improved the health of ex-smokers immensely. Isn't that what it's all about? Can anyone think of ONE positive effect from smoking?
I have yet to talk to anyone who does not include nicotine as being dangerous and cancer causing.
In the past 5 years, I have seen more and more people carrying personal vapers, and it is beginning to feel like people are learning that a vaper has quit smoking in a positive way. I actually run into more people now days who I approach and click PV's with meaning "good for you!". I've seen my first PV being used in a reality show by a restaurant owner on Restaurant Impossible. I run in to more and more people who ask questions about the pv I carry. We are making progress. But I still really hate the reference to "electronic cigarette" . To bad this forum can't be called E-cigarette NOT .com . If someone asks me if that's one of those electronic cigarettes, I say no , it's a personal vaporizer and has nothing to do with cigarettes and smoking.
Oh and soy is too much sodium!!! Did you see recently there was a study showing 'salt' isn't all that bad after all? And Trans fats are now good for you. "People should switch from butter to margarine!" Decades later: "Actually butter is better for you, sorry.... "
Well for those with hypertension... too much sodium is really not a good thing. And I found that, for myself, with the dehydration inherent in vaping, I have to consume, along with a lot of fluids, a lot more potassium (coconut water) and a good bit less sodium, or I get cankles and sore lumpy feet. But till this problem raised its ugly head, I had no problems with sodium; I ate salt in whatever quantity I desired and had no issues.
I think the main thing is that you have to consider the WHOLE organism, and the WHOLE diet, and everything that's going on with that organism consuming that diet -- and that's where the dishonesty begins; these "public health" fools start saying things like "fat is bad for you" or "sodium is bad for you" but that's not the whole story; I can't eat cholesterol because thanks to my stone-ridden gallbladder, I can't digest it, but children <12 actually REQUIRE cholesterol for brain development.
"Smoking causes cancer" is another one; it does NOT cause cancer. It can *play a part* in conditions leading to cellular mutations -- if you have multiple risk factors for cancer, then sure, smoking can certainly add to that risk. But now the ANTZ have accepted it as gospel truth that smoking CAUSES cancer, and has been busy indoctrinating the world with that fallacy. I doubt if anyone thinks that smoking is actually GOOD for you, there is far too much clinical and anecdotal evidence to the contrary -- but in the modern world, there are so many risk factors for cancer, how can any of us avoid all of them? I really doubt that we can -- but vaping instead of smoking sure takes some of the risk out of the equation.
Andria
I think this is because people in our society have an innate desire for simple answers, as well as belief in a dichotomy between "good" and "bad". In our culture we have been trained to believe there is a clear separation between black and white (this is not true for many other cultures). So if you tell the public that a certain thing is good in moderation under certain circumstances but is best minimized under other circumstances, you'll generate confusion. If instead, you say that something is "GOOD" but another thing is "BAD", people will latch onto the idea because it makes more sense to them.
A good example of this cultural dichotomy are the fairy tales and stories many of us heard growing up. Watch the lion king with this in mind - the good guys are always pure and good at heart, while the bad guys do nothing but evil things all the time. You never see the good guys do something evil intentionally and justify it, nor do you see the bad guys have a temporary change of heart and do something nice for someone. In many of these tales, they even go so far as to make the good guys attractive and the bad guys ugly!
So the end result is a bunch of grown ups who split everything, and everyone, into the categories of "good" or "bad". It will take a massive cultural shift over a few generations to change this perception.
Heh... nowadays it's very easy to tell who the "bad guys" are -- they're the ones smoking cigarettes.
X-Files really made hay with that, with the Cigarette-Smoking Man -- I mean, OF COURSE he was bad -- he's smoking cigarettes! Andria
Heh... nowadays it's very easy to tell who the "bad guys" are -- they're the ones smoking cigarettes.
Andria
Ha ha exactly!
In sharp contrast, if you ever partake in Japanese anime, even the shows that were made for children frequently show bad guys becoming good guys and vice versa (an excellent example is Vegeta from DBZ, who starts off as a bad guy but turns into a good guy with a bad attitude
). The reason for this is the difference in cultural perception of good and evil - in Japanese culture they are more likely to view them as mixed, as they generally are in real life. The reason for these differences is rooted in the traditional religions of the different societies, which is too far OT and outside forum flavor to be discussed at length here, but you get the picture and I do see our culture shifting in that direction (see Shrek, an ugly good guy ), but again, it will take another generation or two to fully take root.
Ha ha exactly!
In sharp contrast, if you ever partake in Japanese anime, even the shows that were made for children frequently show bad guys becoming good guys and vice versa (an excellent example is Vegeta from DBZ, who starts off as a bad guy but turns into a good guy with a bad attitude
Another good example is Raylan Givens, on Justified -- he's a US Marshal, and generally just trying to do his job -- but he'll shoot anyone down in a heartbeat, if they give him the slightest reason to do so. Hence the show's name -- if he's Justified, he'll shoot you.
Andria
(Conversely -- Boyd is a bad guy, no question, but a very sympathetic bad guy, and Raylan's old friend -- even though they often have serious issues!)
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