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[AzPlumber]

Many folks make their joose with just VG nic and pg flavoring so that's probably not the issue. Give us one of your recipes (detailed with %'s) that didn't work out and maybe we can get you headed in the right direction.

As stated above those McCormik flavors won't be concentrated enough and will gunk up your coils quickly.

 

[Nuggit]

Looks like you found wizard labs. They rock. Email, orcall em. I met them, totally professional. And these guys here are steering you right. Mix on man!

 

[dycero]

Well my first test was grape. I used to a grape and 12 mg nic all vg and the flavor was pg. It was to thick so I cut it with distilled water. Theb all I could taste was a watery substance. 15% distilled water 10% grape. Made 10ml

 

[dannyv45]

I've read your thread twice and it's not clear what strength you want to vape or if you are presently using food flavoring or flavoring made for vaping. I would guess you want to vape at 12mg and are looking for a fruit or desert vape. The flavoring your picturing is food grade flavoring. That flavoring is not concentrated enough to work for vaping. Also what you've ordered that your waiting on are really flavors that are good for combining but don't work good on there own. You also need to understand what PG and VG does in a mix because from what you bought if you are vaping at 12mg then your limited to all VG and on the order your waiting on you didn't mention if the new NIC is in PG/VG (I"m guessing PG) if its 12mg again your limiting your mixdown ratio (75/25, 50/50, 25/75 etc...). You really need to give a good description of what you want to vape and you need to do some research so you understand DYI.

Here is some recommended reading.

Read my blogs

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

then read hoosier's blogs.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[David1975]

I'm not sure what your using to calculate your mixing? If your kind of guessing and just mixing.... how would you recreate this if you found something you like? This is what I normally go with for my all day vape. I use 100mg PG because I like a higher PV vape. I can also increase the amount I make while keeping the taste the same (no guess work). As others have mentioned, sometimes steeping is needed... mine takes about a week before I'll use it, or like using it. If your flavoring has alcohol in it, it needs to steep with the cap off and can take 2+ weeks to use. What we, or at least I would need to know is what ratio PG/VG your looking to make and what the final MG is that you want.

 

[dycero]

I am using 12 mg nicotine but when I mix it takes me down to 8 mg. The second order I made those flavors were to make 2 different kinds of vape. Banana nut bread. And creamy peanut butter cup. I am vaping with flavors made for vaping. I do have some food grade but I have never vape with them. I have read all the stickies but had additional questions. I understand pg and vg. That's why my second order I got some PG and vg plus some PG nic so I can make 12 mg 50/50 if I wanted. I know adding stuff effects the outcome of nic mg my real goal in asking questions is to get some veteran answers so I do not kill myself trying to experiment. And because they know what works and what doesn't. The flavors I like. Sour apple. Jolly ranchers grape. Banana nut bread and hot chocolate. Just trying to find what works so I don't turn back to cigarettes

 

[dycero]

I'm not sure what your using to calculate your mixing? If your kind of guessing and just mixing.... how would you recreate this if you found something you like? View attachment 363742 This is what I normally go with for my all day vape. I use 100mg PG because I like a higher PV vape. I can also increase the amount I make while keeping the taste the same (no guess work). As others have mentioned, sometimes steeping is needed... mine takes about a week before I'll use it, or like using it. If your flavoring has alcohol in it, it needs to steep with the cap off and can take 2+ weeks to use. What we, or at least I would need to know is what ratio PG/VG your looking to make and what the final MG is that you want.

i was using that calculator but now I'm using a new one posted in the forum Thursday. It breaks down cost and everything. Each flavor you can indicate a different amount of drops per ml since each flavor is a little different. I do use this method and I save all my trails with notes so I can go back and adjust. I think 70pg/30vg is where my target will be when I get my new product. I love the smoke but I don't do tricks or try to impress so I think more pg so I can get the TH

 

[Crunktanium]

Those grocery flavors are loaded with alochol.

I would not use it and its dirt cheap for a reason.

 

[dycero]

I do have a grape and an apple steeping since Thursday. I noticed 12 hours of steeping let out more of the grape flavor but since I'm using distilled water since I was using 100% vg nic I had to dilute it and the water is effecting the burn and giving it a water taste.

 

[dycero]

What is the "normal" pg/vg mixture that vape shops use.

 

[David1975]

O very true, always better to ask than have problems. I looked into some of the preloaded flavors on eJuice Me Up, and there is a banana nut bread and peanut butter cup. I don't make too many flavors any more, kind of lazy that way, primarily stick with unflavored, RY4 and on occasion butterscotch. My suggestion, don't be in a hurry, and don't make a lot at a time till you find a mix you like. In my short time in DIY, I have had some liquid suck when first made, only to be great a week or more later. I make small 1-3ml samples and save them with eJuice me up and date the bottle..... I'll drip a bit after a few days, if it's so so, I'll let it sit a while longer and try it again. Usually I can "sample" 3 mil for a month... if after sitting that long is still sucks, was only 3ml of product. I've also noticed adjusting the final PG/VG level can have a huge affect on the flavor outcome, the RY4 I like at 80/20 with 15% flavor, but at 70/30 or 60/40 I could never get it to taste good at any flavor percentage. Also, Myfreedom smokes is where I get 90% of my liquid goods, they have since updated their web site, but a lot of people will post reviews under each flavor telling others what or how they mix this or that.... was a good "guide" for me when I started.

 

[Satiated]

Danny I have read your link. Very well done. I purchased my Nic only from Wizard but not the VG or PG yet as I want to know if they have an after taste first before ordering. I plan to be 80 % vg if possible. I'd like some flavoring that works well on their own first from either Lorann or Capella since they are gluten free. I wish I could intermingle others brands from the best flavor list but I can not. I'd also want to get enough sweetener or EM ordered in this next order. So do you have a suggestion for me on flavors and EM or sweetener? Would be much appreciated.

 

[David1975]

Depends on the shop/maker. From my experience Volcano uses 70PG/30VG, many online places let you choose between different levels, and most local shops around me only make it 50/50..... only one makes 100%VG. From my experience more VG gives you more flavor and vape while more PG give you throat hit and easier wicking, so when you DIY you choose the balance for what you like. There's not really a right or wrong in my opinion as it's your juice, make it how you like it. I've got some friends who love my RY4, others hate it, but in the end... ITS MINE, ALL MINE! LOL

 

[dannyv45]

I am using 12 mg nicotine but when I mix it takes me down to 8 mg. The second order I made those flavors were to make 2 different kinds of vape. Banana nut bread. And creamy peanut butter cup. I am vaping with flavors made for vaping. I do have some food grade but I have never vape with them. I have read all the stickies but had additional questions. I understand pg and vg. That's why my second order I got some PG and vg plus some PG nic so I can make 12 mg 50/50 if I wanted. I know adding stuff effects the outcome of nic mg my real goal in asking questions is to get some veteran answers so I do not kill myself trying to experiment. And because they know what works and what doesn't. The flavors I like. Sour apple. Jolly ranchers grape. Banana nut bread and hot chocolate. Just trying to find what works so I don't turn back to cigarettes

Thank you for clearifying a few things. Now that I have a better idea on what your trying to do I think I can help.

Now if you don't mind not having a constant nicotine level then 12mg NIC is fine. If you want to get a constant 8mg level then you can get 75pg/25VG if you use PG NIC. If you use all VG then you can get 75VG/25PG. To get 50/50 you would first need to mix equal parts of your PG and VG NIC and you'll have a 50/50 12mg solution. To calculate it to 8mg you'll need to use both NIC's, Plain PG and VG and use a calculator.

More VG will give you a milder less throat hit mix with more vaper
More PG will give you more throat hit but less vapor.

Read more about PG/VG/NIC in my blogs.

Flavor: First get an idea on what you want to make and look up the minimum amounts for each flavor and start there. I usually advise to make one flavor at a time and taste each so you know what your working with. You will likely need to steep these mixes and depending on what your making will determine how much steeping time is needed. Hoosier has a great blog on flavoring amounts and why a little flavor equals a lot of flavor and how very small adjusts do a lot and you can find a simple walk through on creating a simple mix and very good steeping info in my blogs. The flavors you bought should get you some what there but lots of tweeks and adjustments may be needed so knowing what your flavors taste like individually will help you in tweeking the mix.

 

[Steve K]

What is the "normal" pg/vg mixture that vape shops use.

I'm getting the feeling here the OP is going into this pretty blindly and somewhat haphazardly buying supplies not knowing the Basics of E liquid.This is obviously the forum to learn how to Diy and you will get help But I am confused as to why you don't know what Pg and Vg percentage is used in E liquid as everyone has a preference and a choice when they order, at least I think they do,Have you ever purchased pre made E liquid before???

 

[dannyv45]

Danny I have read your link. Very well done. I purchased my Nic only from Wizard but not the VG or PG yet as I want to know if they have an after taste first before ordering. I plan to be 80 % vg if possible. I'd like some flavoring that works well on their own first from either Lorann or Capella since they are gluten free. I wish I could intermingle others brands from the best flavor list but I can not. I'd also want to get enough sweetener or EM ordered in this next order. So do you have a suggestion for me on flavors and EM or sweetener? Would be much appreciated.

Just yesterday I made 240ml's of my ADV with wizard labs VG and PG and it is very good so have no fear in using it. Essential depot also makes excellent VG/PG. I would stay away from the loranne as there concentrations are all over the place some are very strong and only require 3 - 5% others are so weak 15 - 30% is needed. My choice flavorings are hangsen, inawera, capalla and FA. Unfortunitly you needing glutin free kinda limits your selection.

As far as sweeteners EM is more of an enhancer to enhance thickness and body and makes a poor sweetener that if over used will mute flavor. Sweetener is a better choice for sweeting. I would make the mix then sample and steep before adding sweetener and if needed add no more then .5%. If using EM more then .5% tends to mute flavor.

 

[Satiated]

Thank you for your quick response. I have read lots of your info since you are obviously respected here and known for your ejuice. So what about the Capella flavors that are good by themselves. I plan to be very methodical with the process. Tasting the VG first then adding the nic next and steeping before moving on to any flavor. But I'd like to at least pick a few stand alone flavors or then go to 2 flavors next so I can appreciate what they all do over time before adding more ingredients.

 

[dannyv45]

Thank you for your quick response. I have read lots of your info since you are obviously respected here and known for your ejuice. So what about the Capella flavors that are good by themselves. I plan to be very methodical with the process. Tasting the VG first then adding the nic next and steeping before moving on to any flavor. But I'd like to at least pick a few stand alone flavors or then go to 2 flavors next so I can appreciate what they all do over time before adding more ingredients.

I don't advise on what particular flavors are good or bad because whats good to me may not quite be good for you. Brands are another story all in itself, the same flavors from different manufactures all taste different. So I may like a particular flavor from one manufacture and hate the same flavor from another. You need to pick what you like and start low with the individual flavor and keep at it until it's right for you. Reading reviews and flavor profiles also help to some degree. In fact there's a thread just below this one where people are saying capalla is troublesome. Is it because they are mixing wrong, Is it a bad choice in the particular flavor or is it just not what they were expecting? This will give you an idea on why I don't recommend specific flavors unless I'm sure I know exactly what that person is looking for.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/592409-capella-flavoring.html

 

[Satiated]

Yes I read that post. I must be OCD because I research the subject to death before proceeding to make a purchase. I'm sorta stuck with the Gluten free vendors and have noticed the posts that like the brands and mention their favorite flavor of that brand unfortunately most of them are a combination mixture and not one flavor alone. Sorry to be a bother. In the last 6 months I've only vaped Mt. Baker and High Dessert Vapes and have still not found a juice that is my favorite. I tend to switch the flavors up throughout the day once I get sick of one I move on to the next. Mt. Baker told me not to buy their juice because they can not guarenee that it is Gluten Free. After speaking to a few vendors they are not even sure what Gluten free really is. Some folks think if it's organic it is gluten free but Wheat, Barley and Rye are organic but not gluten free. That is one of the reasons I want to make my own juice. I have lost confidence when vendor tell me they are gluten free. At least High Dessert Vapes has a person who helped me that is a Celiac too so I'm hoping they actual have done the homework and know what may contain gluten like flavoring. Hope this helps someone else that may need the info. I'm a retired medical researcher so I love reading research too.

 

[dycero]

Yes I am going into it blindly. I never pretended to be an expert at it that's why I have all these questions. I have bought pre made but in my small town it's either gas station stuff or the one over priced vape shop. I was spending just as much a day as if I was still smoking. I am playing around with mixes and trying to figure it out. I have bought some stuff I didn't research but have never used it to vape. I was getting flavoring for the wife's baking and figure I would post on here to see if it was good. I have not been vaping long so their is a lot for me to learn