FDA’s Youtube Channel released feature on ecigs (August 19)

[Tom09]

FDA examining safety of new electronic cigarette devices.

YouTube - Electronic Cigarettes

 

[HighTech]

Well, I guess I can see her point, since her salary is paid by Big Pharma...

 

[I am Nico]

i wouldn't even let her suck on my nicostick, she could lick my atty and eat my polyfill...

 

[ravengrim]

What they fail to address in their scare tatics release is that now that they have the ability to regulate tobacco,and by saying what they have about the e-cigarette somehow gives the illusion that because these aren't F.D.A. approved but regular cigarettes are that regular cigarettes might be safer.

YouTube - Modern Marvels : Tobacco

 

[Krakkan]

Well nice something we can add comments too

 

[DaMulta]

Someone should download that video, and then post it as a video response.

 

[Robert]

They had a contest- She's the .....yest ..... the FDA could find.

That is more of there, lets scare everyone tactics. They approved all these drugs on TV, and then they say "there may be petrolene glycol in these" like they aren't sure if there is or not yet......WTF?- how f-in stupid was that?

No wonder all these TV commercial drug got approval- same reason they have a comercial spot. They bought approval. They have lots of money for commercials$$$$

The only reason these Chineese manufactures are battling the FDA is they didn't pay the huge $$$$$ bribe the FDA demanded- we will never know how much they wanted.

They say the obvious like they just found it out- makes me sick....really.

 

[cassavetes]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. There seems to be a lot they don't know.

 

[Krakkan]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. There seems to be a lot they don't know.

I bet if I sent them 100 million they would KNOW they are safe

 

[TropicalBob]

There is nothing in that video that is untrue. Nothing. Janet Woodcock stated widely held concerns that will be answered sooner or later by lab tests. The vulgarity directed toward her in this thread is beyond merely inappropriate. It is juvenile and extremely damaging to our cause.

And, no, you will never see a comparison to tobacco cigarettes. E-cigs must stand on their own, compared to nothing. Are they safe? How safe compared solely to not using them? That's the way regulation works.

We need good minds working on promoting what we all feel is a better alternative for addicted smokers. We do not need derogatory, dismissive comments that will only harden opposition.

 

[SnuggleBunny]

here we go again... "and no age restrictions on the sale of the product" wait for it ... "here we have a product that's being marketed everywhere that teenagers hang out, both in the malls, on the internet, and other places where teenagers have access to these products" ... my god...

... and adults hang out in malls, and doctors hang out in malls and seniors hang out in malls and dogs hang out in malls... oh wait, no pets allowed... but the rest are exposed to the evils of e-smoking as well, never mind the internet (and that it's full of stuff that teenagers (and most humans) shouldn't see)!?!?

gee I hope they don't e-smoke INSTEAD of smoking!!!
when will the bull end?

cheers

 

[DaMulta]

T/v in America, and there are a ton of commercials that have horrible side effects for different medications. A lot of the commercials are illegal outside of the US.

I wonder at times if E-Cigs have the same horrible side effects.

 

[Krakkan]

There is nothing in that video that is untrue. Nothing. Janet Woodcock stated widely held concerns that will be answered sooner or later by lab tests. The vulgarity directed toward her in this thread in beyond merely inappropriate. It is juvenile and extremely damaging to our cause.

And, no, you will never see a comparison to tobacco cigarettes. E-cigs must stand on their own, compared to nothing. Are they safe? How safe compared solely to not using them? That's the way regulation works.

We need good minds working on promoting what we all feel is a better alternative for addicted smokers. We do not need derogatory, dismissive comments that will only harden opposition.

Your are correct but I can also see where people are frustrated at how close minded the FDA is handling it. I don't see the FDA truly wanting these to be safer. People react to things differently some more intelligently than others. But the FDA has played media and played the public to the tune that E-cigs are evil and cigarettes are clearly the safer choice.

It is sickening in my opinion to see public health specialists with so little care for the health of it's public.

 

[Stephaniems]

Oh wow no wonder the FDA has dropped the ball on so many truly dangerous things in the last 10 years!!! They don't know a damned thing! With my PV and nicotine liquid I do know that there are unknowns and its all a risk(that I decide for myself), with my peanut butter, lettuce, spinach and tomotoes I expect clean healthy food if I've bought them from a major store. Or if my doctor prescribes me a certain medicine I expect to be informed of all risks associated with it. FDA needs to do the job of keeping our foods safe, and prescription medicines. Those things alone seems to be hard enough for them.

Atleast they do know that teens hang out in malls and online, but I don't guess the fact that other age groups go to those places too escape them.

 

[tromboneking]

TB, I agree BUT being that the tobacco cigs are legal to be bought and sold is the FDA saying that the tobacco cigs are healthy? Menthol cigs are GRAS according the FDA and "nothing is known about the properties of menthol [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]when it is mixed with tobacco and ignited."[/FONT] Correct me if I'm wrong or just looking at the wrong place, but this is the same kind of thinking about e-cigs, yes?


Fact Sheet - Menthol in Cigarettes

 

[Sun Vaporer]

How about a little frustration directed at the Manufactures who should have run extensive studies already to prove the saftey and address the FDA concerns instead of just taking the money and pocketing it.

If you want to vent your frustration, do it at them and not the agency charged with protecting public health. The FDA does not what to ban the e-cig ---what I hear them saying is --"If they are in fact safe, show it, prove it" As was pointed out in the FDA's brief, the do not want to ban the e-cig, rather they what it to go though the appoval process.

Is there alot of backdoor politics here---more then likely-------but please, at least have the studies done to refute the allegations instead of the Manufactures just going out and buying their 100 foot yachts and cruising the Caribbean and leave use here up a creek without a paddle.

Sun

 

[Symmetric]

I bet if I sent them 100 million they would KNOW they are safe

if you had the $100M you wouldn't have to buy them off, E-cigs could be extensively tested and their (relative) safety could be proven.

 

[Boom!]

And, no, you will never see a comparison to tobacco cigarettes. E-cigs must stand on their own, compared to nothing. Are they safe? How safe compared solely to not using them? That's the way regulation works.

For regulation purposes I suppose I must agree because I don't know how such things work.

But I'm sorry I have to disagree with you about them ever being compared to tobacco cigarettes. I've even been accused of still being a smoker even though I haven't had a cigarette in 3 months.

We compare them to tobacco products. Some of us use them as a total alternative to smoking, some of us use them when convienent, and practically all of us consider them to probably be safer when compared to smoking cigarettes. Anti-smokers are all comparing these devices to smoking cigarettes. The Public, the FDA, and the media are all comparing them to cigarettes but the part that is the most frustrating is that many of these articles, reports, videos, blogs, etc...are implying that you should either just quit your nicotine habit or go back to smoking and just die. Statements like 'no proof that these are any safer' just piss me off every time I see them. You can't tell me that comments like that are not at least implying 'when compared to tobacco cigarettes you may as well just keep smoking'. Some articles/blogs have even come right out and said as much because that is the message they are getting!

 

[STILLSMOK9]

Your are correct but I can also see where people are frustrated at how close minded the FDA is handling it. I don't see the FDA truly wanting these to be safer. People react to things differently some more intelligently than others. But the FDA has played media and played the public to the tune that E-cigs are evil and cigarettes are clearly the safer choice.

It is sickening in my opinion to see public health specialists with so little care for the health of it's public.

Couldn't even finish the vid...

It was horribly presented!!

 

[Mighty Cowphin]

I want to put my 2 cents worth in also... I think what the FDA is doing is criminal beyond imagining... But, what happened to the testing that was supposed to be being done???? we should have had results weeks ago... has anyone seen the results????

I have been off the forum for a little over a week (sick in bed...better now thanks) so i do not know if they were posted as promised... Please let me know...

Also, I was just informed that Oregon (the wonderful state that I reside in) has annouced that our AG has just Banned the e-cig... I am in the process of verifying this... I believe it would just be SE e-cigs but ya never know ... gads all this crap... For me i think they are healthier... but I don't have the money to prove it....

Okay I found this... http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090818/NEWS02/908189992

There is more

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1191877.html
This is happening in NY also folks....