FDA accepting public comments on tobacco bill

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Storyspinr

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The FDA is calling for comments from the public on the new Family Smoking Prevention and tobacco act. Members of the public can comment on any aspect, including reduced-harm products. While there is debate as to whether or not the Act affects e cigs, it might be an opportunity to speak out on the device (or any other aspect of this bill).

An article on the FDA call for comments is at US Headlines Examiner. (Hope this link works!).

If you want to make a comment, you can do so by going to Regulations.gov ( redirect,) and type in the name of the tobacco act in the document search line.
 

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I was able to submit my comments online ... I wish it would allow us to read the comments submitted, but alas....

If the agency approves it, you can. You'll need to search for it though.

Here is mine: (I used a portion of a very well crafted blog argument on the e-cig what was written awhile ago)

Greetings,

As a concerned citizen and former smoker, I have grave concerns regarding this bill, and who it will affect in the long term.

The new "Marlboro Brand Protection Act", as some are calling it, was signed into law by president Obama on June 22nd, 2009. The actual bill is called H.R.1256, The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act and essentially gives the FDA regulatory control over tobacco products. Many argue that the Bill simply maintains the current market share by Philip Morris, who helped craft the Bill, H.R.1256 has the potential to put very tight restrictions on smoking alternatives that could have otherwise had a net positive effect on public health.

The ramifications of this bill are staggering. First off, it places FDA control over a product that is known to kill. This flies in the face of the true nature of the FDA, to safeguard the health of the people by testing products and devices for safety, and food for safety. Cigarettes are far from safe. This will leave the impression that cigarettes are safer now that the FDA has control. Far from the truth. With the FDA seeking to remove many of the known chemicals in cigarettes, this will give the impression of a safer cigarette. The net effect will be more new smokers, who now believe it is OK to smoke because of the reduced risk factor.

The second ramification is nicotine reduction. The basic theory of this is to reduce nicotine content that will keep people from being addicted. This is also far from the truth. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man, and reducing the content is equivalent to the street corner crack dealer who gives large supplies to new customers to get them hooked, then reducing the quantity and raise the price to keep them hooked. The effect is the same with nicotine reduction. We will see a dramatic increase of smokers purchasing more cigarettes and inhaling the cigarette deeper to compensate for the lowered nicotine content. This in itself will cause millions of American smokers to put themselves in a greater risk of cancer, emphysema, heart disease, and many other health risks of smoking. This will have the net effect of increasing, not decreasing, the number of deaths per year due to tobacco use. This is far from the intended purpose of this Bill.

Third ramification is it places Philip Morris in a large market share with virtually no competition, and they managed to pull this off by manipulating our American Government to become no less than a monopoly. This is serious. In the minds of Americans, this is seen as a corporate takeover of our American Legislature. Philip Morris crafted this bill in such a way that it insured that they hold the over 50% of the market place in cigarette sales despite tight regulations, and using the Tobacco Free Kids group as a front, they came out as a "savior" but in actuality, got exactly what they wanted. This is why many are calling this the "Marlboro Monopoly Act" or the "Philip Morris Protection Bill". And as Marlboro is the cigarette of choice by thousands of High School students and new smokers each and every day, and is predominantly displayed and easily accessable, PM USA virtually assured themselves as being the SOLE supplier of cigarettes in this country, compliments of our American Government

The forth ramification is banning safer alternatives, such as the electronic cigarette (otherwise known as the e-cigarette or e-cig). We will discuss this below.

Whether or not it is a good bill or a bad bill, that seems to be in the hands of the FDA who will create the procedures and regulations to govern this age old industry. It is clear the FDA will have a lot of power in determining who makes money from selling tobacco and tobacco products. What is not so clear is how this “Big Tobacco meets FDA Bill” will effect the electronic cigarette. Below is the definition of a tobacco product according to the Bill:

SEC. 101. AMENDMENT OF FEDERAL FOOD, DRUG, AND COSMETIC ACT.

(a) Definition of Tobacco Products- Section 201 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 321) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(rr)(1) The term `tobacco product’ means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).

`(2) The term `tobacco product’ does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 503(g).

`(3) The products described in paragraph (2) shall be subject to chapter V of this Act.

`(4) A tobacco product shall not be marketed in combination with any other article or product regulated under this Act (including a drug, biologic, food, cosmetic, medical device, or a dietary supplement).’.

DEFINITION OF AN ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE

Definition:

An electronic cigarette typically consists of a white cylindrical tube which consists of a battery, operation LED, and a microchip to control operation. The ATOMIZER is the element that heats the liquid, turning it into a vapor which is inhaled through the mouthpiece.

Instead of tobacco, however, e-cigarettes are filled with liquid consisting of Propylene Glycol, water, flavorings, and optional nicotine. When smokers draw on the cartridge, the battery activates the atomizer, heats the liquid, which creates a water-based vapor that is inhaled into the lungs. The excess cigarette-like "smoke" vapor is then emitted from the end of the e-cigarette, completing the cigarette smoking illusion.

1- The Electronic Cigarette as a Tobacco Product

I believe we can make a couple assumptions. First, the e-cigarette with zero nicotine would certainly NOT fall into the definition of a tobacco product. In this case, there is no nicotine, no tobacco, no drug…..just propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin, water, and flavoring. Second, the actual electronic cigarette device (battery, atomizer, mouthpiece/cartridge) could not be considered a tobacco product. So, the only thing that could be classified as a tobacco product would be the eliquid. But eliquid can be made with synthetic nicotine or with a compound similar to nicotine or with nicotine from another source other than tobacco. And if it is, then there would be no part of it derived from tobacco. The other argument is that nicotine extracted from a tobacco plant and purified is so far removed from the original plant that it ceases to be a tobacco product. This falls in line with the FDA’s current assertion that the electronic cigarette is a new drug and therefore needs approval.

2- The Electronic Cigarette as a New Drug

First off, it is a stretch to claim nicotine is a “new drug”, when in fact it is one of the oldest drugs used by man. Second, if the definition of a drug must include “intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals” then the electronic cigarette does not fall into this category. Using the e-cigarette is smoking, it doesn’t cure it (if smoking is even a disease to begin with). Some call it vaping, but it is still the habit of hand to mouth. Drug addiction is considered a disease by the CDC. So does the electronic cigarette diagnose, cure, mitigate, treat, or prevent drug addiction? Since e-smokers continue to get the nicotine, then NO. Users could use the zero nicotine eliquid, but there is no evidence that they will or even if they do, that they will stick with it and not go back to nicotine. If electronic cigarettes treat nicotine addiction then cola treats caffeine addiction.

3 -So What is the Electronic Cigarette?

As many of us in this industry have stated from the beginning, the electronic cigarette is unique. It is a technology that will continue to create ripples well into the future. This doesn’t mean it should be given a free pass and it doesn’t mean it should be pulled off the market. It means we need to have rational and intelligent discussions with regulatory bodies to ensure the industry follows standards and consumers are protected. Instead of these discussions, the e-cigarette industry has been attacked by politicians with local agenda’s, by public health organizations with money ties to the pharmaceutical industry, and the FDA who seems to take orders from the pharmaceutical companies. Considering the size and scope of smoking cessation sales in the US and worldwide, it is not hard to contemplate the drive to protect the market.

The e-cigarette industry has begun the process of legitimizing the industry through the formation of the Electronic Cigarette Association. Although a very young organization with much yet needed to be done, the ECA strives to implement standards and bring trust to this new industry. The ideal situation would be for the FDA to work with the ECA to create standards while using industry money to regulate, rather than tax payer dollars. Prohibition didn’t work. The “quit or die” philosophy doesn’t work. And banning products that have the potential of the electronic cigarette can not possibly be in the best interest of public health.

By allowing the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) power over tobacco products, this will leave people with the very wrong impression that cigarettes are safer now that they are FDA approved.

In conclusion, the Bill, as it stands now, signed by President Obama, will have the effect of removing safer alternatives from the market, increase current smokers risks by smoking more to compensate for the reduced levels of nicotine, cause an increase of deaths of smokers who are put into this situation of increased risk, give the public a false impression that cigarettes are safer because they are FDA "approved", and create a monopoly for Philip Morris.

We, as informed citizens, feel that this move is more to increase tax revenues for the Government due to increased cigarette sales, and not because of concerns of the health and safety of the American Public. We feel, as citizens, that this is a Government For The Money, By The Money. We sincerely hope that we are wrong.

Thank you for your time,

James S. Williams
Warwick, Rhode Island

Email: xxxxxx@cox.net
 

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If anyone else is interested, here is the blog post from which Jim pulled info for your use:

What Does The FDA Tobacco Bill Mean For The Electronic Cigarette?

I believe we should be careful of pushing the issue with the FDA since right now, the FDA's argument is that it is a new drug.

Thanks Lacy. I forgot where the link was, but I pasted it into a word document when I saw it. Very well crafted article. Hopefully they will READ it. At least now it's in a place where they can. :thumb:

As for the article, I did change it to say "nicotine optional" because basically, it is optional. :)
 

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Nicotine optional was a Great switch...it takes weight off the issue of it being a Medical delivery device(Only for the delivery of Nicotine) This is really the point that needs to be made...If this device is seen as only having one use(Providing a Drug regulated by the FDA) then we have no footing....

The bottom line is it IS optional. I am sure that there are a number of people that vape the 0 mg nicotine. It then becomes a civil rights issue at this point. To deny those that use it for zero nicotine, simply because there are those who use it with nicotine, is just plain wrong.

If they ban e-cigs, they may as well ban Zig Zag rolling papers as well, as that is a component of a "drug delivery device", even though a number of people use it to roll their own cigarettes. Why deny those that want to "roll their own" cigs be denied because some like to roll things other than tobacco in it? e-Cigs are no different.
 

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If they ban e-cigs, they may as well ban Zig Zag rolling papers as well, as that is a component of a "drug delivery device", even though a number of people use it to roll their own cigarettes. Why deny those that want to "roll their own" cigs be denied because some like to roll things other than tobacco in it? e-Cigs are no different.

And spoons. I don't use my spoons to cook .... or coke but people do...

As a zero nic vaper, if they do take my ecig away from me, they are basically telling me that I have to start a nicotine addiction in order to get what satisfies me in a cigarette now and that is the inhalation/exhalation. Has nothing to do with nicotine anymore.

Right there with you. This IS a violation of our rights.
 

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I wish I could watch someone from the FDA sit and read that letter. I wish it could be read to congress on national television with all of America tuned in.
How that letter could not sway the American public would be beyond my comprehension. You dont have to be a smoker, or an e-smoker, to see how f'ed up this whole thing is. Ugh! I could go on forever.... but good job! Well done:thumbs:

My best,
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I really think the ecig shouldn't be put into one category. It seems here on the forum, it's become way more than just a way to quit smoking, or an alternative to smoking. It seems that it's starting to become a hobby. Modifying, improving, making liquid, and so on. The government needs to realize that people purchase these for different purposes. Some people want a safer way to get their nicotine fix. Some people want to break the habit completely, and some people just enjoy the act of smoking but would rather do it through the ecig because of he risks behind analogs. And then there are people, especially here, that have formed it into a past time, maybe a hobby if you will.

Using an ecig for the purpose of breaking a nicotine addiction is an excellent purpose for the product. The flexibility of it means you can work your way down, gradually, from a high dosage of nicotine, to a lower dose, and eventually none. Then this brings you to having the HABIT of smoking - The actual hand to mouth action. With your nicotine addiction broken, your brain feels lees and less compelled to tell your body to reach for the ecig. I took this approach myself and have found that this is a very proven theory, as I'm currently using nicotine free cartridges, and only reach for my ecig two to three times per day.

People who use these for the enjoyment of the act of smoking are obviously benefiting. They risk their health much less, while continuing to enjoy the physical act of smoking. Then there are those who use these for the safer delivery of nicotine. According to many people, nicotine is an excellent way to calm your nerves, focus, think clearly, and so forth. This is the situation where the FDA SHOULD come in. Obviously, nicotine is a very powerful drug. If used, administered, and controlled correctly, nicotine enriched cartridges should be the only part of the ecig controlled by the government. I'm sure, even if they DID consider it a prescription drug, it wouldn't be hard to tell your doctor "Hey doc, I've been using nicotine as a way to focus and ease my stress. Could you write me a prescription? This is the dose that works, this is how often I used it, and I used about this much every month." How hard would that be? With a little common sense and more logical thinking, everyone can be happy. Instead of keeping a closed mind about something new, sit down, look at the benefits and drawbacks of such a wonderful device.
 

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We might want to point this out to them too. 2 of their official okiedokie anti smoking drugs have some nasty side effects. Yet another reason to leave e-cigs alone IMHO.

Two anti-smoking drugs to carry mental-health warnings - CNN.com

I just want to KILL MYSELF after reading this. Heh. So, the FDA keeps a known killer for users on the market and simply slap a warning label on it.. Not surprising, since big Pharma benefits the most.

Nicely played FDA. :nah:
 
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Nicotine optional was a Great switch...it takes weight off the issue of it being a Medical delivery device(Only for the delivery of Nicotine) This is really the point that needs to be made...If this device is seen as only having one use(Providing a Drug regulated by the FDA) then we have no footing....

It's a dumb switch in my opinion. If we put up a poll here and everybody answered truthfully to if they smoke it with nicotine or not we'd get an INSANELY low count. Probably 5%

It is optional, however, if we believe in our product, believe we're being screwed. We must speak the truth in how it's changed our lives.

I for one used to sleep 14 hours a day. I've tried everything.........besides quitting smoking. Now I'm down to 6-8 hours a day after a month.

That's a powerful statement and we all have one of our own. Along with our willfull determination, our intellect, and our courage, we may be able to fight this. But let's not turn it into a spin fabrication of the truth with people vaping 48mg solutions on this forum.
 
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