FDA FDA deeming regulation proposals

[Myk]

I think the industry and vendor response welcoming the new regulations, is probably more of an indicator that they are NOT naive, and they think they will indeed thrive and survive. A small juice maker like Apollo E-Cigs is talking about its super clean manufacturing process, already built and running, and is happy with the Regs, as so with Njoy and V2, and Johnson Creek, the grand-daddy of juice makers.

ECBlend which I consider a small player, (a big small, not tiny) is also happy with the Regs.

So we have on one hand, the industry, and their lawyers and compliance officers looking at it, saying we are good to go. I am not sure what your logic is, but I don't think it will push off the weight of the other side off the scale. They have mass.

Have you seen anyone in the industry, someone who will have to deal with the FDA themselves actually, the businesses themselves only....who has come out against the Regulations? I have not seen a business complaining.

Link me up if we have any Juice or Hardware Companies who are publishing concern. I have seen CASAA, but I am really looking at the people who pay their bills with the business of E-Cigs, because they are the most vested into the outcome. The 10 Million dollars per single product application....well it seems the entirety of e-liquid industry.....does not see that as being the case. I don't think Johnson Creek are a bunch of buffoons or anything, or Apollo, I think they have good knowledge of their businesses.

How could they possibly not know what to expect, most have been in meetings with the FDA over time.

But right now, if we have the industry vs your quote above, I gotta think the industry has it right. Make sense?

I don't think they bothered to read the regulations before giving a "Woohoo" and they were just thinking FDA approval would legitimize ecigs. Now that they're reading them I think some are stepping back and saying, "wait a minute".
I know JC has backed off a bit (possibly from customer pressures or possibly because they realize 5000 lawyer hours for 26 flavors, 3 strengths and every piece of their Vea would add up to quite a check. Their original statement was probably made based on the idea that they have a FDA qualified clean room and all the sane stuff that should be required of a juice maker. Not that the FDA would require 100,000 people to get the exact same ingredient or material approved.

 

[Sirius]

Nope! No flavors! Because of the chiiiiiilllllllldddrrrrrrrrriiiiiiinnnnn!!!

You'll have FDA approved plain and you'll like it citizen!

(Also, the chocolate rations have been increased!)

Yes well the first task of the new government should be..eliminate the Kidstapo!

LOL

 

[Talyon]

Just wanted to Clarify the DONATION in my sig below has always meant I should Donate to any cause I see fit, and not that CASAA is directly asking me to Donate to CASAA. IMHO.

Exposed, I'll let your minds figure that out. It's really not hard.....
The dream is very close.

 

[Sirius]

Look at these two very different media reactions to the FDA's proposal. Watch both and don't cheat! lol

ABC:



Fox The Five:
Gutfeld: Government's kneejerk reaction to e-cigs? Ban 'em | The Five | Fox News

 

[mkbilbo]

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(try again Mark)

 

[mkbilbo]

Yes well the first task of the new government should be..eliminate the Kidstapo!

LOL

"In an unexpected turn of events, Romper Room seized control of the US Government and implemented what many describe as an authoritarian system of 'don't bees'..."

 

[Katya]

Nicotine laced water?

Wild wild west? Fruit flavors? Cowboy? Glamor? And Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildren.

I didn't need to watch that. I know it by heart now.

 

[Sirius]

Just wanted to Clarify the DONATION in my sig below has always meant I should Donate to any cause I see fit, and not that CASAA is directly asking me to Donate to CASAA. IMHO.

Exposed, I'll let your minds figure that out. It's really not hard.....
The dream is very close.

So is freedom .. closer than the illusion of freedom big government is or would like imho.

 

[Thundernoggin]

I didn't need to watch that. I know it by heart now.

Second link. I've not been a Fox fan for a long time and that video was a pleasant surprise.

 

[Katya]

Second link. I've not been a Fox fan for a long time and that video was a pleasant surprise.

I saw it live. And several more like that from Gutfeld and Stossel.

I am a fan, though, so it wasn't a surprise for me!

 

[Sirius]

Nicotine laced water?

Wild wild west? Fruit flavors? Cowboy? Glamor? And Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildren.

I didn't need to watch that. I know it by heart now.

They just showed how really ignorant mainstream media can be.

 

[Sirius]

Second link. I've not been a Fox fan for a long time and that video was a pleasant surprise.

Thnx Thunder. I know most Dems are not Fox fans and Gutfield can really be annoying but I appreciate you watching.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I think the industry and vendor response welcoming the new regulations, is probably more of an indicator that they are NOT naive, and they think they will indeed thrive and survive...

...ECBlend which I consider a small player, (a big small, not tiny) is also happy with the Regs.

Oh no. The pro-FDA FAQ ECBlend had up expressing their "happiness" for the new regs immediately after they were released is now gone. 8-o



I guess somebody actually read them.

 

[Sirius]

I saw it live. And several more like that from Gutfeld and Stossel.

I am a fan, though, so it wasn't a surprise for me!

Stossel's the man right? I really agree with him on most issues. But he's Libertarian soooo..lol

 

[Katya]

They just showed how really ignorant mainstream media can be.

I like this video of Gutfeld:

Gutfeld: Senate Democrats ignore science, block progress | The Five | Fox News

 

[Sirius]

Oh no. The pro-FDA FAQ ECBlend had up expressing their "happiness" for the new regs immediately after they were released is now gone. 8-o

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I guess somebody actually read them.

 

[Sirius]

I like this video of Gutfeld:

Gutfeld: Senate Democrats ignore science, block progress | The Five | Fox News

Secondhand stupidity kills! Bwahaha I love it!

 

[Katya]

Stossel's the man right? I really agree with him on most issues. But he's Libertarian soooo..lol

Stossel was the first one to support ecigs and vaping--three years ago:

 

[skoony]

In case it helps ...
3) I do not believe FDA has ever regulated tobacco pipes or even pipe tobacco. (But they could.)

thanks roger.
from now on i am going to call my hardware a finished tobacco product pipe.
or how about e-juice tube or vaper holding cylinder?

regards
mike

 

[Katya]

Alexis De Tocqueville - "Democracy In America", 1840

A network of small, complicated rules. It does not break wills, but softens them. It does not tyrannize, it hinders, represses, stupefies, and finally it reduces each nation to being nothing more than a flock of timid animals, of which the government is the shepherd.