FDA FDA deeming regulation proposals

[Danoman]

1) Take the quoted parts of proposed rules in part 8 and put them together. (In some cases, there are options, so pick one in each case. You know, like a menu in a Chinese restaurant where you get one appetizer, one main dish, etc.)

2) Now you have the outlines of a rule that will go into this thing called the Federal Register, once all is said and done.

3) It's not complete-as-is, but the FDA can then tweak it w/o going through this whole process all over again. Like adding flesh on bones.

Roger, are you kidding me...? SMH. The first recommendation is what they are going to use as a rule, a 'MARK" that they impose everything else as..." I did read this and understand what you are saying. With slight argument, I 'get' what's being said. (said status)

 

[Danoman]

Yo believe you, who are you...? You 'll know how to prove who you are, in trust. *awaiting your code and prove that you are trustworthy*

*using the code stated earlier in my last post...* no games...

 

[Danoman]

I'm waiting to see it...

 

[Danoman]

There is something about you that's just wrong... the image you portray on here, like your listening to what everyone is saying and reporting to the 'Man'. The comments you make are questionable... with measure.

in my normal world, you be considered a Troll... But, I can't really put you there, yet, just yet.

This isn't a game to us... MOST of us have quit smoking for a long time now, thanks to our E-Cigs... the fact is known, and WELL shared, in ALL medias. You, I question... (I could be wrong) but, I don't feel like i'm not.

Guys, find his IP and find where he is... It's important to know who's in our group, and who's against it. EVERYTHING we say matters, and those things that we say, that give us power doesn't need to be known by our enemy's... This, as long as i'm here and posting HAS to be a part of the 'trust' between us,

On this, I submit that we form groups, between us all... (to protect ourselves) in a 'private' scenario because of this kind of thing. I'm certain they are already in progress but, our information that we find is of a private one and doesn't need to necessarily be open to the public...)

 

[Lessifer]

There is something about you that's just wrong... the image you portray on here, like your listening to what everyone is saying and reporting to the 'Man'. The comments you make are questionable... with measure.

in my normal world, you be considered a Troll... But, I can't really put you there, yet, just yet.

This isn't a game to us... MOST of us have quit smoking for a long time now, thanks to our E-Cigs... the fact is known, and WELL shared, in ALL medias. You, I question... (I could be wrong) but, I don't feel like i'm not.

Guys, find his IP and find where he is... It's important to know who's in our group, and who's against it. EVERYTHING we say matters, and those things that we say, that give us power doesn't need to be known by our enemy's... This, as long as i'm here and posting HAS to be a part of the 'trust' between us,

On this, I submit that we form groups, between us all... (to protect ourselves) in a 'private' scenario because of this kind of thing. I'm certain they are already in progress but, our information that we find is of a private one and doesn't need to necessarily be open to the public...)

Take it as a general rule that anything you post online is public.

 

[Danoman]

Tomorrow, i'm going to make a private group of my personal friends that vape... I believe we need to have a bit of privacy, in disregards of this government that's in place. I'm pretty certain, we'd STILL be seen by this government but, it'd give us a means to express our thoughts on everything... without the directives that's being imposed on us from the ECM. (WHICH I HIGHLY RESPECT, beyond doubt)\

This way, we can all express ourselves in a way that can't be done there. WE have MUCH to say, we ALL do... I want to hear it with no control and let you go as you wish... our site is yours as well. Tomorrow, i'm making it happen... because, it ALL matters...!!! You say what you wish, no hold barred... we just can play on this anymore. Good...?

 

[aikanae1]

I don't like that last suggestion, as a cigalike user. But I see what you're saying.

I'd rather inundate them with false market applications. Knowing they'll get rejected, but that keeps everything on market longer. For how slow and bureaucratic they are, I could see submitting an application written entirely in "Lorem Ipsum" in say Oct. 2014, and hearing back in Feb. 2016, that this application has been rejected. You think I'm kidding?

Perhaps more realistically is to keep hammering away at the small business angle, for what is written into federal policy. I see this as one of the areas of legal challenge that will be pursued and as it is what us vaping enthusiasts keep hammering on, I think it behooves us to realize how that could be good angle to take in our response to the proposed regulations.

If the "little guy" doesn't succeed in a controlled/regulated way, I'm certain the little guy will succeed in an underground/unregulated way.

I think your missing the point of why I suggest banning cig-a-likes. First, I don't expect it to pass. Second, the fastest way to disarm an objection is to agree. Ends the normalization concept - give it to them just like we all agree that minors should not have access to nicotine. No objection, we'll even help. (of course they'll figure something else out eventualy) and Third, we will dissociate ourselves with BT.

There are some who see BT as some value to the vaping community and IMO that's nuts. Looking at local state fights, what I've seen is BT do very, very little until MAYBE (and a big one at that) they show up at the last minute only if our interests are aligned with theirs. Where were they earlier? Nowhere. Basically they are setting us up to fight their battles for them, over and over again. I can assure you that BT is not interested in seeing the vaping community survive.

The idea of painting a target on cigalikes is to take a swing at BT. I'm not saying that's the only way to do it. That's just what I thought of. If that were suggested, I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of cockroaches crawl out from under the carpet swinging. And we wouldn't be one of them. Chances are we'd still work with them when convienent and vice versa.

But I have little doubt there was the hand of BT behind the deeming regulations. I can't prove it. They were just a little too happy with the regulations. It's more of a what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It also creates an opening for vapers to mention how important it is to customize, adjust the delivery and support small business, etc.

 

[aikanae1]

I've had eGos that have gone 2 years plus. A few spinners that didn't make it 6 months. but as always, ymmv. I also have no use for mods other than in the worst case scenario - I have a few "eGos" that take non-proprietary batts, which is nice. Love my reo-mini for a good bottom feeder box type mod. The only one I use other than eGos. I have an iTaste but it's going to classifieds.

You might like the one sticky I have

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/519902-types-joyetech-ego-batteries.html

I'm an "eGoist" in more ways than one

You might want to check the Joyetech FB page. They've been publishing photos of how you can tell the difference between authentic and counterfiet batteries. IMO it was interesting.

 

[Danoman]

WE, my friends are on the same page... (there is an attitude that we used to have as a nation, when all hell broke out in Germany, France, Europe, and Russia...) WE took on Japan and all of Germany and all of them at the same time... they all awoken a beast, at that time. I wonder what that beast looks like now... glosser images, no. You won't see them, Supreme...? No, you won't see them. Naval...? No, again, you won't see them. Our Airforce, again... you won't see them. I'm TELLING YOU, this country has been taken over by the elitists you'd see in Star Wars, the movie and even more so the animation series. THIS is where we are... those nay sayers, prove me wrong, looking at the reality YOU live.

I've been not wanting to say this BUT, it's the world we live in today... it's truth, it's fact and it how it is.

Anyway, lets go have a little fun with what 'WAS' in our past... what brought us to this, where we are now...?

 

[aikanae1]

Oops -- Yes you are in Alaska..in that case, I doubt you could grow tobacco. In a greenhouse possibly?

In the summer there's 24hr sun.
Or row a boat to Russia.

 

[Danoman]

I believe I know who is who here... ones will be invited, those I know first. Ones trusted...

 

[DC2]

There's more to this, and it's just under the radar of what we are able to see, I believe.

I see you're sort of new around here.


Most of us who have been around for awhile know very well what is going on.
It's Big Pharma behind most of this.

And of course, the "non-profit" health organizations who are lobbying heavily across the nation.
Funded in large part by Big Pharma.

This document explains it all, and if you have further questions I have tons of information to provide...
FORCES International - News Portal

Also, here are some articles to take a look at, for starters...
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes | WashingtonExaminer.com
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - NY Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes
Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers | Fox News

 

[Danoman]

So, I've missed something...? Thank you for sporting all of those reclibs but... you assume I don't know what's going on...? Are you kidding...? Do I have to spell it out...? In code so i'm not 'or privilege' here, the most important place I can go to where we are al the same in thinking...?

 

[Danoman]

Are YOU not me, the same driven individual as I am..? WHY would you be any different...? I AM YOU, and YOU are me... as we live in the same world.

 

[Danoman]

My question is... why all the fighting....? We know what's going on, we know truth too, between us

 

[Katya]

This document explains it all, and if you have further questions I have tons of information to provide...
FORCES International - News Portal

Also, here are some articles to take a look at, for starters...
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes | WashingtonExaminer.com
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - NY Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes
Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers | Fox News

Thank you DC!

Bookmarked for future reference.

 

[aikanae1]

Look at these two very different media reactions to the FDA's proposal. Watch both and don't cheat! lol

ABC:



Fox The Five:
Gutfeld: Government's kneejerk reaction to e-cigs? Ban 'em | The Five | Fox News

Interesting comparison. For the sport of it, here's MSNBC (and I wasn't aware they had covered it all)

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/study-two-thirds-americans-ok-e-cigs

FDA proposes e-cigarette regulations | MSNBC

 

[Danoman]

*walks away for a month or two, or even 6 months...* I just don't see ANY reason to post anything anymore... again, ignored but. i'm the one that makes it all happen, your flavors. You don't know who I am... but, you will. I'm the guy on everyone's side... you have MY opinion.

 

[Danoman]

*walks away for a month or two, or even 6 months...* I just don't see ANY reason to post anything anymore... again, ignored but. i'm the one that makes it all happen, your flavors. You don't know who I am... but, you will. I'm the guy on everyone's side... you have MY opinion.

Make the very best of it can... center to no one but YOU. If they don't like it, so be it. YOU do what YOU wish to do and never hold back. For me, this is the end, as I know what's coming...

 

[Lessifer]

Make the very best of it can... center to no one but YOU. If they don't like it, so be it. YOU do what YOU wish to do and never hold back. For me, this is the end, as I know what's coming...

Danoman I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you've stopped making sense.

It's important for us to discuss what's going on, and what we can do about it. It's early days after the release of the proposed regs, I think we're all brainstorming and gathering info so we can formulate our comments, or figure out how we can get these regs otherwise dismissed. I personally think it's a bad idea to discuss how to "get around" future regs, simply because this IS public, and all we'd be doing is providing ammo for stricter regs down the road.