A link to the entire petition response:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/re..._medium=email&utm_content=ecigarette-response
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/re..._medium=email&utm_content=ecigarette-response
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"The comment process is not a vote one well supported comment is often more influential than a thousand form letters"
Good to know..
That was under a Substantial Equivalency Application. E-cigs won't qualify for that, but will have to use the Premarket tobacco Application, which have not had any approvals yet.
You guys just don't understand.
No small/medium-sized manufacturer is going to invest in any R&D or create any new products with the FDA hanging the Mother of all Government Approval Processes over their heads. Even it that approval/denial takes 5 years because of a backlog.
KODIAK;12957766 said:
Correction: "No USA manufacturer". How many products are actually made in the USA? ProVari/ProVape - a large company that will most likely both submit an application, AND have it approved. V3tronix - we'll see what they do. Kanger & innokin are Chinese. Most other products are not made in the USA. Will they bother with an FDA application? Probably not, but never know. They'll still be 'available'... R&D and innovation will continue, with or without FDA approval, just not in the USA. But let's not think all doom and gloom. It's still important to let your voice be heard - just follow instructions and advice from CASAA - that's all we can do, and it's the right thing to do.
KODIAK™;12957766 said:You guys just don't understand.
No small/medium-sized manufacturer is going to invest in any R&D or create any new products with the FDA hanging the Mother of all Government Approval Processes over their heads. Even it that approval/denial takes 5 years because of a backlog.
Um... if it's "hopeless" then we just throw in the towel and go back to smoking.
That's the problem with "doom and gloom". If this is The End, it's The End. Why bother?
As I read these, this is pretty much opposite of what I read here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rs-before-any-action-possible-under-regs.html
A very good point. When you write your responses, petitions, what have you, think about writing it not just for yourself, but your own flesh and blood future generations.
In 2080, they'll look back at us vapers and either admire the stand we took and how we went about our responses / fighting back, or they'll wonder why we rolled over and acted like a bunch of whiners when clearly we had an opportunity to change things.
KODIAK;12957498 said:This post is so naive and contains so many fallacies I can only shake my head.
And I wish this post demonstrated the intellectual courage to respond with something more than a poorly written sound bite.
IMO, vaping is clearly here to stay and FDA has given vaping community a golden opportunity to shape things.
Thanks for posting these. It is very good to read both these comments.
Unfortunately, I am on a different, far more hopeful, page than these two interpretations of what's to come. I've already connected with one of the two link authors above and ain't going to be shy about connecting with others that wish to spin FDA proposal as akin to a man-made disaster.
Really enjoyed reading your entire post.
But this line is so good, I'm wondering if you'd be okay if I added as my signature?
CASAA says:
But apparently, there is benefit in pronouncing FDA proposal as a highly negative item, and thus in fear mongering?
If everything is as good as you suggest, it would seem like writing responses and fighting back (against what?) would be a waste of time. Perhaps you mean it would be cathartic for others to just express themselves.
KODIAK;12957498 said:This post is so naive and contains so many fallacies I can only shake my head.
Yeah, that's me to a "t".
After all, I've only been dealing with government regulations, government regulatory agencies, government procedures and government specifications for ............ wait for it ............ over 35 years.
But if it makes you happy: The sky is falling. The sky is falling. And, btw, don't tread on me.
Better?
I'm more concerned about forced industry consolidation, which can stifle competition & innovation..
Imagine if the vaping industry had not flourished & advanced like it did since 2007... Because if it hadn't, right now we'd be vaping on some pretty lousy, nasty, ineffective products at exorbitant prices...
Betting many of us would go back to smoking..
The market & the industry have done a pretty good job on their own so far without any regulation...
Do you think industry organizations such as AEMSA could foster such consolidation?
Ya they gave us flavors .... it's just to bad that no one can get them approved.
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"The comment process is not a vote – one well supported comment is often more influential than a thousand form letters"
Good to know..
By "well supported," I believe they mean by facts, not "likes."
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