FDA FDA deeming regulation proposals

[Talyon]

Well, I think I'm done after reading what OMB said. Here's why: I, now, see all too clearly what we're up against. I can't fool myself with thoughts that the major players are just ignorant boob bureaucrats in hopes that they actually intend to listen to public reason be that scientific, testimonial or anecdotal. I know it sounds dramatic, which I'm not in the habit of being, but the word "sociopath" has actually gone through my mind whilst reading and one of those is someone I would never underestimate. My final decision on all of this is that its way beyond my scope. I simply don't have the knowledge nor experience dealing with these types nor the expertise and resources required for navigating the traps and nets laid. I think the wisest thing I can do, which I'm not perfectly happy with as its out of character, is leave this to those who do possess all that's required. I'm going to take the advise of those approaching this first hurdle and lend my monetary support to the ensuing legal battles which are sure to come. Right now, that means CASAA. For those who would counter with leeming accusations... no, I don't think so. As I said, I think its wise. The most successful people in life are those who consult experts in the fields they're unfamiliar with instead of believing they are capable in those. I may not agree with everything they say. I already tend to disagree with Bill for instance as he seems (in the round-table broadcast anyway) to think juice is the main issue while I think its components but I'm going to follow his lead as he's been at this in-depth for many years. I think, putting all politics aside, It would be super egotistical of me to think I know better than he does. That doesn't mean I won't be watching like a hawk no differently than I have lawyers I was paying but had to "trust" and, if or when I have a strong concern, I'll ask for the reasoning. Anyway, that's where I'm at. I am just going to lay this aside and wait for now because the more I read from various sources, including OMB, the more upset I get.

Yep exactly what I'm doing.

 

[Sirius]

Yea, I got that association with the "wild, wild west" bs.

The American vaping Assoc. (Greg Conley's group) formed to lobby Wash DC. I have a feeling it's hitting the ground running. I've seen him in a few meetings and was impressed sorta like "huh, was that a tornado that just hit?". They do accept donations.

I just see a lot of energy right now and it could really be utilized. I hear that people want to "do" something and that's great. I hope they realize that might mean 1) more than an email and 2) getting off the internet. But I think it's a multi-stage thing. First they had to realize this was serious and already our wings have been clipped a bt.

Dr. F. wrote up an interestng post awhile ago asking where the vapers were when these regulations were being drafted. He's proved to be right. Because vapers, esp vendors were so loosely organized, we didn't get a seat at the table per his post.

CASAA really needs to get those numbers up.

Ahh okay thnx Aikanae..Going there now to see what progress they have made.
http://vaping.info/
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-American-Vaping-Association/1394302184149623

 

[aikanae1]

I had an online discussion with Dr. F because he was saying that bt was going to have add things to ecigs to make them more addictive. That didn't go over well with me. And the way he explained it was for competitive edge so that smokers would switch. We left it sort of an 'agree to disagree' state. I'm not sure but now it appears that there is intention to ban flavors in the future, then his comments make complete sense. Reguardless, I'd say vaping as we know it could fundamentally change and it won't take the full 4-5 years to do.

If FDA came out with a ruling against flavors that would eliminate all the eliquid applications immediately (excempt a handful). I'm sure they'd see it as expiditing the process.

The FDA has stated previously they are "science based". Obviously that doesn't mean reading science based studies. I think it gives them cover to not be concerned about market trends and consumer appreciation.

 

[Sirius]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

 

[Sirius]

Media attention grabbing Kidstapo. Man they piss me off. I will return later because I'm in danger of posting a rant that could get me suspended. lol

 

[Jman8]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

From the article:

The legislation prohibits anyone from marketing e-cigarettes in a way that will increase use among kids.

Well, this prohibits the FDA from banning it to minors as that undoubtedly will increase use among kids.

 

[Thundernoggin]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

Oh no. Looks like one of our friends in this fight might have a very serious weakness. Typed by a 40 year old man vaping Sour Skittles.

 

[Kent C]

From the article:


Well, this prohibits the FDA from banning it to minors as that undoubtedly will increase use among kids.

This actually happened with the school DARE programs. Studies done, Cato Institute reported years back - increased drug use by those exposed to DARE, not so for those not so exposed.

 

[Anjaffm]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

!How many truck drivers do you think are buying gummy bear flavored e-cigarettes to try to quit smoking? I don’t think you’ll find many,” she said.

Wow! I don't believe it! Racism and sexism is not politically correct, but looking down on truck drivers is a-ok if you yourself have never worked a day in your life and sit on your behind syphoning off taxpayers money?

What a conceited, arrogant, horrible woman. And completely out of touch with life - AND with her supposed electorate. I wonder just WHO transports her champagne and caviar to the posh store where she (or her maid) purchases it.

This person's comment says it best: "hificat101 | April 8, 2014 8:45am" Good read.

This picture comes in handy in this connection:

.............

This actually happened with the school DARE programs. Studies done, Cato Institute reported years back - increased drug use by those exposed to DARE, not so for those not so exposed.

Well, I should think so.
Introduce unsuspecting kids to the knowledge about all kinds of drugs. And then wonder why they think "Oh, that sounds interesting. I'll give it a try". Duh....

 

[aikanae1]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

Wha??? They use Joe Camel! He's what - 40 years old now.



That's going up on my FB page today.

 

[Thundernoggin]

Interesting. Going up against one of the Kidstapo:
CT News Junkie | Blumenthal, Esty Tackle Bubblegum Flavored E-Cigarettes

And the more I read about the Heartland Institute the more disappointed I become. I was hoping Conley was going to be one of the pitbulls helping to lead the charge. Even if his intentions are pure his baggage may drag him down.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Speaking of kids..


I wish vaping had been around when I was 10 years old & trying my first (unflavored) tobacco cig...


I also bet a lot of kids wish their parents & grandparents had vaped instead of smoked..

Maybe some of them would still be around today...

 

[Kent C]

Speaking of kids..


I wish vaping had been around when I was 10 years old & trying my first (unflavored) tobacco cig...


I also bet a lot of kids wish their parents & grandparents had vaped instead of smoked..

Maybe some of them would still be around today...

So said Greg Gutfeld yesterday on the Five ;-)

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Speaking of kids..


I wish vaping had been around when I was 10 years old & trying my first (unflavored) tobacco cig...


I also bet a lot of kids wish their parents & grandparents had vaped instead of smoked..

Maybe some of them would still be around today...

So said Greg Gutfeld yesterday on the Five ;-)

I wish we had a pro-ecig vaper like Gutfeld on every single news station and talk show on TV and radio!

 

[salemgold]

Well, I think I'm done after reading what OMB said. Here's why: I, now, see all too clearly what we're up against. I can't fool myself with thoughts that the major players are just ignorant boob bureaucrats in hopes that they actually intend to listen to public reason be that scientific, testimonial or anecdotal. I know it sounds dramatic, which I'm not in the habit of being, but the word "sociopath" has actually gone through my mind whilst reading and one of those is someone I would never underestimate. My final decision on all of this is that its way beyond my scope. I simply don't have the knowledge nor experience dealing with these types nor the expertise and resources required for navigating the traps and nets laid. I think the wisest thing I can do, which I'm not perfectly happy with as its out of character, is leave this to those who do possess all that's required. I'm going to take the advise of those approaching this first hurdle and lend my monetary support to the ensuing legal battles which are sure to come. Right now, that means CASAA. For those who would counter with leeming accusations... no, I don't think so. As I said, I think its wise. The most successful people in life are those who consult experts in the fields they're unfamiliar with instead of believing they are capable in those. I may not agree with everything they say. I already tend to disagree with Bill for instance as he seems (in the round-table broadcast anyway) to think juice is the main issue while I think its components but I'm going to follow his lead as he's been at this in-depth for many years. I think, putting all politics aside, It would be super egotistical of me to think I know better than he does. That doesn't mean I won't be watching like a hawk no differently than I have lawyers I was paying but had to "trust" and, if or when I have a strong concern, I'll ask for the reasoning. Anyway, that's where I'm at. I am just going to lay this aside and wait for now because the more I read from various sources, including OMB, the more upset I get.

I am right there with you, Patkins. I have been so upset that it is disrupting my life and my sleep. Putting what $ and trust that we are able towards the folks that have the knowledge and resources to deal with all of this is a very wise move IMO

And paying attention to any calls to action, of course

 

[Gato del Jugo]

So said Greg Gutfeld yesterday on the Five ;-)

Correct.. but that doesn't make that argument any less valid..

When I was a teenager, my friend's mother had 4 separate strokes over a couple years -- and she was still smoking after the 4th..

Anyway, I stopped hanging with him when I went off to college & lost touch.. Given the above, I highly doubt his mother is alive today.. I bet he misses her


If it's any consolation to you, that 1st argument actually belongs to me..

 

[Myk]

Kids, adults think you should vape. It would make you the keenest kid on the block in our eyes.
There, it's been fixed.

 

[Kent C]

Correct.. but that doesn't make that argument any less valid..

Didn't mean to say that - for me it's more validity

 

[Sirius]

Wow! I don't believe it! Racism and sexism is not politically correct, but looking down on truck drivers is a-ok if you yourself have never worked a day in your life and sit on your behind syphoning off taxpayers money?

What a conceited, arrogant, horrible woman. And completely out of touch with life - AND with her supposed electorate. I wonder just WHO transports her champagne and caviar to the posh store where she (or her maid) purchases it.

This person's comment says it best: "hificat101 | April 8, 2014 8:45am" Good read.

This picture comes in handy in this connection:

.............



Well, I should think so.
Introduce unsuspecting kids to the knowledge about all kinds of drugs. And then wonder why they think "Oh, that sounds interesting. I'll give it a try". Duh....

Anja -- I drove a truck for many years. I'm vaping Cotton Candy atm..lol
Good points btw sweetie!

 

[Sirius]

So said Greg Gutfeld yesterday on the Five ;-)

Gutfield nailed it on The Five didn't he?