Bwahahahaha....
Please read this thread--and check the links to both articles!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/557538-new-survey-ash.html#post12985283
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Bwahahahaha....
Please read this thread--and check the links to both articles!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/557538-new-survey-ash.html#post12985283
I posted on that thread but never came back to it. I didn't know anything about ASH. Nice links thnx.
Oh yeah, you did.
Nice quote.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
~Will Rogers
Smh...
I'm GLAD we are all on the same page... It's right there..................................................^^^
I'm GLAD we are all on the same page...
It's right there..................................................^^^
My sentiments as well. 500+ posts here and countless other threads full of conjecture, venting and debate was necessary but I think it's time to wait on our leadership to craft some direction. By now we all should have a basic grasp of what's at stake and with a little guidance should be able to move forward with:I have been so upset that it is disrupting my life and my sleep. Putting what $ and trust that we are able towards the folks that have the knowledge and resources to deal with all of this is a very wise move IMO
a.) unified talking points during this "commenting" phase and...
b.) how to tie this whole process up by extending this phase beyond 75 days.
Anja -- I drove a truck for many years. I'm vaping Cotton Candy atm..lol
Good points btw sweetie!
Not a truck driver but a 53 year old ex-carpenter, machinist & furniture maker
I like vaping butterscotch while watching Nova or Cosmos
I'm such a kid
I am right there with you, Patkins. I have been so upset that it is disrupting my life and my sleep. Putting what $ and trust that we are able towards the folks that have the knowledge and resources to deal with all of this is a very wise move IMO
And paying attention to any calls to action, of course
It is extremely depressing. I feel as if we are relying mostly on the incompetance of strangers. Meaning: the likelihood that the FDA won't have the final rule ready for review by the end of 2016.
I confess that I spend more time than I'd like, wondering what I'm going to need to stock up on, by way of equipment. I know that doesn't sound very community-oriented
It is extremely depressing. I feel as if we are relying mostly on the incompetance of strangers. Meaning: the likelihood that the FDA won't have the final rule ready for review by the end of 2016.
I confess that I spend more time than I'd like, wondering what I'm going to need to stock up on, by way of equipment. I know that doesn't sound very community-oriented
Stocking up on anything IS community oriented. The community won't have to bail you out
Just now stocked up more eGos myself. I know I'll use them at some point. I'm considering more nic juice... if just for currency/trade.... Having stock, makes it less depressing. Doesn't eliminate it, just lessens it.
Stocking up on anything IS community oriented. The community won't have to bail you out
I've been slowly working on stocking up for the last year. I will continue until the stuff is no longer available. It gives me the peace of mind I need to be able to focus on the real issue which is fighting this.
Stocking up on anything IS community oriented. The community won't have to bail you out
I'm looking at a gallon of the nic base right here... i'd still recommend everyone get some when they can, just in case. We never know how these things are going to work out until it does in the end.
It is extremely depressing. I feel as if we are relying mostly on the incompetance of strangers. Meaning: the likelihood that the FDA won't have the final rule ready for review by the end of 2016.
I confess that I spend more time than I'd like, wondering what I'm going to need to stock up on, by way of equipment. I know that doesn't sound very community-oriented
FWIW, I'm not stockpiling. Yet. We won't know anything for the next 70 days to a year.
After that period, I may reconsider... First we fight--then we stock up.
FWIW, I'm not stockpiling. Yet. We won't know anything for the next 70 days to a year.
First we fight--then we stock up.
First we fight..then build nicostills! Vapeshine anyone? hehe
This:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/32414-extracting-nicotine-tobacco.html
And believe me..it will be trendy if worse comes to worse imo.
Yea. I'm very familiar with all those threads.
I sure hope it won't come to this. I refused to panic then, I'm not going to panic now. I don't want a freezer full of 100 mg/ml nicotine unless I absolutely have to.
I'd advise caution in everything, right now. There is no need to stockpile anything for at least a year and possibly even 3 years. Even when the FDA enforce whatever they finally manage to achieve without legal actions stopping them, the black market will take over supply of anything that isn't street legal. 12 or 15 million vapers is a market that can't be shut down even by the FDA, ATF, Customs, and everyone else all working together.
In the UK we just had solid confirmation that there are already more than 2 million vapers, and one-third have quit smoking (a surprisingly high figure that no one was expecting, even the optimists among us) - and these numbers were supplied by tobacco control so no one is arguing with them. In another three years that will be 5 or 6 million just in a little place like the UK. I can't see any way that the US will have less than double that figure, and three or four times seems possible - 15 million vapers is a tough job to shut down.
Please forget about petitions and emails, people need to get carloads of vapers and families together and camp out in their Congress rep's and Senator's office; keep phoning them; keep faxing them; keep mailing them. That qualifies as action - petitions and emails are a waste of time. Petitions go straight to someone who is paid to throw it in the bin, and emails just get seen by an assistant who spams them.
If you want to do something, then be aware that if it can be done with two or three clicks on a computer then it doesn't qualify as doing anything.
Join CASAA and donate to them.
If you want to stock up, then leave it for a year or so and then see what the state of play is.
In the UK we just had solid confirmation that there are already more than 2 million vapers, and one-third have quit smoking (a surprisingly high figure that no one was expecting, even the optimists among us) - and these numbers were supplied by tobacco control so no one is arguing with them. In another three years that will be 5 or 6 million just in a little place like the UK. I can't see any way that the US will have less than double that figure, and three or four times seems possible - 15 million vapers is a tough job to shut down.
Please forget about petitions and emails, people need to get carloads of vapers and families together and camp out in their Congress rep's and Senator's office; keep phoning them; keep faxing them; keep mailing them. That qualifies as action - petitions and emails are a waste of time. Petitions go straight to someone who is paid to throw it in the bin, and emails just get seen by an assistant who spams them.
If you want to do something, then be aware that if it can be done with two or three clicks on a computer then it doesn't qualify as doing anything.
Join CASAA and donate to them.
If you want to stock up, then leave it for a year or so and then see what the state of play is.
This is something else to point out to the FDA. God only knows what side effects nefarious "bathtub gin" brewers will have on the black market.
By the way... can tobacco grow here in AK?
Sound advice Rolygate -- I saw a figure that there are 4 million vapers in the US. I think that is a little low as nobody from the government or any entity has ever contacted me to see if I vape. lol
Yes it will grow and thrive almost anywhere in the south.KODIAK™;13002527 said:This is something else to point out to the FDA. God only knows what side effects nefarious "bathtub gin" brewers will have on the black market.
By the way... can tobacco grow here in AK?
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