FDA Misleading Report Strategy Backfires

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harmony gardens

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This confirms what we've known here since the test was made! :toast:

This is the perfect link to discredit anti's who always parrot the "unknown dangers" line they are so fond of using to steer people away from ecigs, and to push legislative bans through the states. Thanks!!

This is also great evidence for claiming that the FDA is in collusion with big pharm to exaggerate the dangers of ecigs in order to protect certain smoking cessession products, and that it has a prejudicial view against harm reduction.

Sweet,,,
 
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I dont think I have commented on your writting before. I wanted to say thank you. You are an excellent writter and always seem to have vast resources to back up everything you write.

Thank you and I appreciate the time and effort that must go into these articles.

Thanks for your kind words. It's always good to feel appreciated. :)
 

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And for crying out loud, you would think that if anyone is supportive, it should be your family. I "Shared" the link to this article on my Facebook page a few days ago. My daughter-in-law practically lives on Facebook, but apparently she doesn't read what I post.

She has asked us to go halves on renting a condo at the beach for a week. My husband and I would have one of the bedrooms, she and my son along with the baby would have a second bedroom, the 2 girls would have the third bedroom, and the 2 boys would sleep on the fold-out couch.

Today she sends me a message asking whether I intend to vape while there. I wrote back

Since it doesn't use combustion, there is no smoke, and therefore there is is no odor, and no danger of fire or burns. Nevertheless, as usual, I plan to use it out of sight of the children. It wouldn't harm them (or anyone else) but I don't want to model smoking behavior in front of them.

Health New Zealand studied the vapor for safety:
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled

She writes back:

I feel strongly against them...sorry!
Ethic Soup: FDA Warns: E-Cigarettes Contain Harmful Toxins, Cancer Causing Chemicals and a Antifreeze Compound

ETHIC SOUP WARNED about the probable dangers of e-cigarettes four months ago in the post "Hey Hey FDA,Whaddaya Say: Are E-Cigarettes Safe, Eh?" FINALLY FDA RESPONDS Finally, last week the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has issued a warning, announcing...

8-o *SCREAM*

My response was probably less than stellar:

Have you read any of the articles I have written in the past year and posted in my Facebook News feed?

FDA Misleading Report Strategy Backfires

My article is supported by linked references to a variety of legal documents and laboratory reports.

The FDA behaved in an extremely unethical way when it used propaganda techniques (tell part of the truth, use inflammatory language) to convince the public -- and apparently my own daugthter-in-law -- that vaporized nicotine from an e-cigarette is as dangerous as smoking.

Numerous tests have shown that the vapor does not contain any substance in toxic or carcinogenic quantities. Your drinking water contains more toxins and carcinogens! I will send you an email with some attachments and more links to set your mind at ease.

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For what it's worth, here's a copy of the email I sent her.

The FDA's misleading report was heavily criticized by leading scientists within days after its publication.

Dr. Elizabeth Whelan: FDA smoke screen on e-cigarettes - Washington Times

Dr. Michael Siegel: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Tobacco-Specific Carcinogens Found in Nicotine Replacement Products; Will Anti-Smoking Groups Call for Removal of these Products from the Market?

Dr. Brad Rodu: Tobacco Truth: The FDA Crusade Against E-Cigarettes

Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand has been studying electronic cigarettes since 2007. I already sent you the link to his September 2009 analysis, but here it is again: Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled

Also, his complete lab report can be accessed here. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
Note in particular his comments under Table 2.2 on page 7:
Comment. 1) Tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) were found, equal to 8 ng, in the 1 g of liquid of the 16 mg cartridge. This amount is extremely small, equal for example, to the amount reported to be present in a nicotine medicinal patch. (8 ng in 1g = eight parts per trillion).

2) These very small amounts traces are likely to be due to the fact that even medicinal grade nicotine is extracted from tobacco.
Now to really put these quantities in perspective, you need to compare them to the stuff in cigarette smoke. See the attached chart of TSNAs.

I didn't know whether you can open Word Documents, so I am copying the pertinent pages in here from the "Quotes from the Experts" document.

QUOTES ABOUT ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE USE INDOORS


“Second hand mist from an e-cigarette is not smoke at all, and does not contain any substance known to cause death, short or long term, in the quantities found. It becomes invisible within a few seconds, and is not detectable by smell.


Exhaled breath after e-cigarette use has been tested for CO only. No increase in CO was found.

The e-cigarette does not create side-stream smoke.

Exhaled breath after e-smoking contains even less nicotine per puff, as much of the nicotine inhaled is absorbed. Similarly, propylene glycol is largely absorbed and little is exhaled.

No harm found in e-cigarette mist”

— Dr. Murray Laugesen, Health New Zealand , foremost expert on electronic cigarettes (Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled). According to Raman Minhas, technical officer of WHO’s Tobacco Free Initiative, “Dr. Laugesen is a respected tobacco control researcher.” (Sign in to read: Electronic cigarettes: A safe substitute? - health - 11 February 2009 - New Scientist)​


“All that's happening is you're heating up a liquid to the point of becoming a vapor. So referring to it as smoke doesn't make sense at all. Therefore, considering it subject to a smoking ban doesn't really make sense, either.”

— Dr. David Baron, Chief of Staff at UCLA Medical Center , from a video interview​

“There is no existing evidence that e-cigarettes pose a risk for nonsmokers. The nicotine exposure from the exhaled vapor produced is likely to be extremely small and there is no reason to think that it poses a danger for nonsmokers. But there is certainly no evidence to suggest that it poses a hazard.”

— Dr. Michael Siegel, Professor of Social and Behavioral Sciences, Boston University School of Public Health, who also has 20 years of experience in Tobacco Control (TobaccoAnalysis.blogspot.com)​

“The claim that the trivial amount of vapor would be much of a risk seems ridiculously far-fetched.”

— Dr. Carl Phillips, Associate Professor at the University of Alberta School of Public Health (TobaccoHarmReduction.org)​


“There is substantial and compelling scientific research documenting that consuming the ingredients in e-cigarettes (nicotine, propylene glycol, water and flavors) is vastly safer than burning tobacco and inhaling 3000+ toxic by-products. Claiming that e-cigarettes are dangerous for non-smokers is about as credible as claiming that air travel is dangerous for people who never set foot in an airplane.”

— Dr. Brad Rodu, Professor of Medicine at the University of Louisville (Three Professors of Medicine Examine ASH Health Claims)​

"Smoking bans have been universally justified on the basis of the risk posed by environmental tobacco smoke to non-smokers. Most of the air pollution due to cigarettes is due to sidestream smoke – the smoke that curls off the end of the cigarette when no one is puffing on it. E-cigarettes have no sidestream smoke. E-cigarettes also have none of the toxic products of combustion produced by conventional cigarettes. It is therefore unreasonable to ban them on the basis of risk to non-smokers.
— Dr. Joel Nitzkin, Chair, Tobacco Control Task Force, American Association of Public Health Physicians. http://www.aaphp.org/special/joelstobac/ecigcontext.pdf
 
Any idea must be 'SOLD' to change the mind of the hearer. People have to choose to agree freely, forced coecion always results in resistance. That's true for the FDA and the vaping community too.

I'm all for science to help keep this legal. It just has to be obvious enough for hearers to grasp, or the only alternative is forcing coercion. For instance, you may have to inform your daughter-in-law she'll be renting the whole house if she can't coexist with a vaper.

Clearly the equipment doesn't have to be used with nicotine any more than hookahs require illegal drugs to use. So I don't think courts will agree they're 'drug delivery devices'. That part of the FDA's fervor is totally indefensible.

We have a bigger concern about keeping ejuice legal. Much of it comes from China and their safety standards differ from ours. We've found heavy metals in numerous Chinese toys recently. I found it in 2 'health juices' sold with ecigarettes which were proudly displayed on a website as being safe. Their lab analysis showed 10 ppm (million) Lead. US Drinking water is only allowed 5 ppb (billion). Here it'd be considered hazardous waste.

THESE WERE NOT E-JUICE, which did not have it's analysis posted. They were Rimonabrandt & ......, both of which require a prescriptions in the US. Both were in compliance with Chinese standards.

Since 10 ppm Lead is acceptable in China, it makes me wonder what's in e-juice? Clearly we need US suppliers for both QC and legal compliance. Don't be surprised if the FDA really does find other ingredients in Chinese e-juice.:(
 

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Vocalek I feel for you!

Perhaps we should introduce her to my newly perfect daughter, who off analogues for a year now and not an e-cig person, is disapprovingly uncomfortable even speaking to me on the phone. Gag me!

Seven of them, two of you but you pay half and she gets 100% of what she wants.

I say let her have it - you know what I mean.

Unfortunately, I know it is not always as easy as that. Best wishes for finding peace and harmony.
 

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You know what ticks me off more than anything? The fact that she appears to be totally oblivious to the work I've been doing for the past year.

I think I'd have something else to do the week of the vacation, just on principle. Not so much about the vaping, but because she has to be aware of how active you've been on this subject and hasn't managed to devote a little time to at least learn something about what's really happening here.

I don't look at this in the narrow focus of cigarette/tobacco/nicotine control. We are witnessing a fundemental change in how this country plans to control its population. Today you get expensive fines for traffic light violations via big brother's cameras. In Philadelphia they're going through your trash and issuing fines for not recycling. What's next?

She doesn't even consider what you're doing might have some positive influence on her children. Nope, just listen to Uncle Sam, he wouldn't lie to you.
 

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When I smoked, it was always out of sight of her kids and as I told her, I had no plans to change that. I have been vaping for over a year and have been to their house at least 4 or 5 times and the kids never saw me.

This is her response to my last message:

I HAVE read some of your articles that you have sent out. I have also read some other articles and contrary to your belief the FDA has done convinced me, I have made up my own mind based on numerous articles. Just because it is not in "carcinogenic quantities" doesn't mean that it is not harmful. Even my children (the older ones) believe that ALL cigarettes and inhaled substances are potentially harmful and should not be thought of lightly. They actually CHOOSE not to be around it!

It seems her beef is that she is afraid the kids will be harmed by second-hand vapor if I should use it indoors... let's say in our bedroom with the door closed? I really don't see how that is possible. There is nothing in the air to inhale after a second or two. And yet just yesterday she was telling me that she prefers to use the spray sun screen on the kids because it is so much faster than rubbing lotion on them. Seems to me that you might inhale something a lot more toxic from having an aerosol sprayed in close proximity than walking into a room where someone was vaping several minutes ago.

Personally, I have to hold my breath when I use hair spray.

Thanks for letting me vent! I appreciate the moral support.
 

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So sorry that your son picked such a closed minded person to marry. I understand, being a grandmother myself, that you want to spend time with your grandkids, and your son too! I think she is being unreasonable as you are also paying for the accomadations, and what is the problem if you have already stated that you would not do it around the children? Do you not get to see the children at other times? If you do, then what is the difference if you are on vacation? And, if you do it in your room with the door closed, she wouldn't know it anyway! WELL, we all here appreciate you, and all your hard work. I'm sure your grandchildren do too, despite their mothers' attitude. Best wishes KDK
 
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