Fda news release

[smokinsimon]

Looks to me like the only things they actually found, are because of the tobacco extracts they use, instead of synthetics.
And only 1 cart had 1% or lower DEG. That may have been from the cart filler, or glue, who knows.

 

[raven9mm]

This is really the nail in the coffin---

Not totally I hope.

this is from the "Summary of FDA Analyses "


"Due to the variability among products, this analysis should not be used to draw conclusions about what substances are or are not present in particular electronic cigarettes or brands of electronic cigarettes."

 

[stevo_tdo]

Sh8t sh8t sh8t

 

[Kate51]

Diethylene glycol is also illegally used as counterfeit glycerin in some nations and sold internationally as a component of cough syrup, toothpaste, and mouthwash

This is the upsetting thing about purchasing imported juices. Which I why now I am even more angry at Johnson Creek for changing their liquids as of late. They no longer use real tobacco essence to flavor their juice, so what is it now? Also cut the VG by 30% PG which is intolerable for me. WTH are we supposed to do now with this new message of yet more foul play?? This is scary to me, I hope others are aware of chemical standardizing differences between US and Import juices. Johnson Creek, step up here.
I have sent a link of this page to Johnson Creek, and have asked them to either comment in the Forum (if Allowed) or at least return to me with a comment about ingredient standards and usage, and how exactly are the re-formulating issues important as we go forward with "new" flavors. Is the whole secret going to be buried because no one will use REAL TOBACCO ESSENCES in their formulas simply to avoid the "tobacco" label???? I don't want "synthetic" anything, my own Doctor just about killed me with "synthetic" hormone replacement therapy. NO MORE OF THIS STUFF, this is too upsetting, I gotta go work this all off. Sorry for the rant, folks.

 

[gatsby]

It would be nice if their approach would be to suggest regulation for the ingredients of the liquid. I would be all for that, but the tone of the release seems to me to be a hatchet job on the product in general. Seems like the beginning of the end for US suppliers to me.

 

[rejoice]

This all sounds like bad news. I knew it when FDA got the tobacco bill.
They may get rid of e-cigs and keep the good old analogs. How crazy is this!
This is the FDA and folks it maybe a matter of time for e-cigs. I hope not...

 

[snap6cat]

The scariest sentence in the English language is still "we are from the government and are here to help"............

 

[LaceyUnderall]

IDK the way I read it, it supports SE and NJoys assertions that it is a tobacco product and smoking alternative comparable to cigarettes.

In need of regulations and standards though.

From what I read from the lab analysis, it appears that SE is using synthetic nicotine and nJoy is using tobacco absolute. Making nJoy's truly a tobacco product and SE's not.

IMHO, I have always been so very thankful that nJoy got involved in this because there was no way that SE would win this case based on not making health claims, let alone that they are a "tobacco product". Now, that testing has been done, even though I still say the test needs to be done in a non-FDA affiliated lab considering they are the defendants... which it will now I am sure, SE's product was not found to have any "tobacco specific byproducts" in it, and nJoy's does.

I think the judge will find against SE and for nJoy.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Not totally I hope.

this is from the "Summary of FDA Analyses "


"Due to the variability among products, this analysis should not be used to draw conclusions about what substances are or are not present in particular electronic cigarettes or brands of electronic cigarettes."

Exactly why I say it is the nail in the coffin---the burden is in the manufacture to supply studies that show the saftey of the e-cig---this report puts that in doubt without speculation. It really leaves the Judge no room to not agree with the FDA that the e-cig needs further studies and regulation.

Sun

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I don't know if anyone else was able to sit in on the media call on this however, one thing is very very very clear:

The FDA presented three doctors takes on the ecig and all three doctors are very well known anti-smoking advocates. The number one thing that hit home with me was the comment by Dr. Matthew Mikenna of the CDC's Office of Smoking and Health, when he noted that over the past two decades we have worked hard to eradicate the smoking habit and this product sends the wrong message. (paraphrased)... But direct quote: "We need to stop the smoking habit".

The ultimate goal is to eliminate smoking and then eliminate nicotine. That's the bottom line.

And ONLY because I listened to the entire discussion am I posting this link to my take on the announcement... http://www.e-cig.org/2009/07/22/fda-announcement-on-electronic-cigarettes/

 

[smokinsimon]

From what I read from the lab analysis, it appears that SE is using synthetic nicotine and nJoy is using tobacco absolute. Making nJoy's truly a tobacco product and SE's not.

IMHO, I have always been so very thankful that nJoy got involved in this because there was no way that SE would win this case based on not making health claims, let alone that they are a "tobacco product". Now, that testing has been done, even though I still say the test needs to be done in a non-FDA affiliated lab considering they are the defendants... which it will now I am sure, SE's product was not found to have any "tobacco specific byproducts" in it, and nJoy's does.

I think the judge will find against SE and for nJoy.

Could this be why some juices seem to make me just want a cigarette, but Njoy carts seem to satisfy my cravings?

 

[OutWest]

From the best I can figure out, the bad stuff that is in there is because of using nicotine extracted from tobacco and using tobacco essence for flavoring. While not the best thing to find out (in fact, a bit unsettling at first) in my opinion it reaffirms that these are indeed tobacco products, for the tests show that they have tobacco-specific alkaloids in them.

 

[stevo_tdo]

I just tried calling the fda about giving me links to the sites that they say are marketing these to young individuals. Appears they are all to busy today to take my call.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Could this be why some juices seem to make me just want a cigarette, but Njoy carts seem to satisfy my cravings?

Could very well be so. We have had discussions around here of after going all ecig, missing something... not sure what. Some people have it and others don't. It could very well be dependent on what juice people are using. Maybe that's also why some people simply cannot transition completely ecig and still use both. They haven't found the right juice yet?

One thing is for sure: Regardless if we think the testing is skewed due to the FDA having done the tests on two of their nemesis, it is nice to have another test out there that PROVES the ecig STILL CONTAINS LESS than a traditional cigarette.

Now let's have the FDA compare this test to a typical cigarette.

EDIT: If anyone can point me to the supplier who markets a "chocolate chip cookie" flavored cartridge, please let me know. One doctor specifically noted this flavor and I would like to see if he is full of sh*t.

 

[Rockbassray]

Here is an idea... Why dont they take their findings on the Ecig and line that up next to the findings on a Real Cigarettes, ????

 

[Kate51]

And ONLY because I listened to the entire discussion am I posting this link to my take on the announcement... http://www.e-cig.org/2009/07/22/fda-...ic-cigarettes/

Lacey, thanks for the link, but nothing shows, at the moment. I'll try it again later on.
And, Rockbassraythat is a good point but not applicable with this report. E-Cigs are being judged on their own merit, or lack of merit.

 

[halopunker]

Hmm the one thing I HATED about the entire conference call was how VAGUE they all were. When asked more specific questions they somewhat dodged them.

 

[Rockbassray]

I know the whole concept is " to get people to quit smoking PERIOD", but the patch isnt doing it, the gum isnt doing it, and i think myself and countless other suppliers hear form our customers how much this has helped them more then a patch or gum

 

[bri1270]

Really, they presented three biased doctors...how surprising, I thought they would have had three impartial physicians.

What a joke. I don't know what pisses me off more, the fact that the FDA is nothing more than a shill for Tobacco and Pharma, or that they think we're too dumb to figure out that they're shills for Tobacco and Pharma.

 

[twoshadetod]

With all the people on here claiming to be chemists, why doesn't someone perform a test of some juices, just for our own piece of mind.