Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

[ashdaburned]

* Presence of tobacco specific impurities cotinine, nicotine-N-oxide, nornicotine, anabasine and myosmine was negative at 60 deg C.

Anyone else notice this in the FDA report. They say that E-cigs run at the highest about 60 degrees C. But under 280 degrees C then bad stuff appears. That's 140 vs 536 degrees F. So, there is a difference in what chemicals are released when something is heated and when something is burned. Who would have thought that?

 

[chad]

Anyone else notice this in the FDA report. They say that E-cigs run at the highest about 60 degrees C. But under 280 degrees C then bad stuff appears. That's 140 vs 536 degrees F. So, there is a difference in what chemicals are released when something is heated and when something is burned. Who would have thought that?

Kinabaloo thought of it. It's mentioned in the Elephant in the room...

 

[ashdaburned]

Read it, and a little confused about the whole decomposing parts of the article. Does it basically validate using a 280C temp? or not?
Not a BIG science person, so could you explain?
Don't have to go to great detail, i understood about 1/3rd or so.

 

[LoneRanger]

If you missed it go to todays post- njoy response to fda. Also found a coupon code for
njoy-Smoke 08 (nice to save a few $$)


Lone

 

[2sheds]

Here's the note I added when signing this petition. (Was blowing off steam rather than vapor.)

I trust the judgement of the FDA as far as I could throw the last 50 years' worth of documents your bureaucracy has generated. Over and over, science is subordinate to profit--the slant of your 'scientific studies' are decided before the studies start. Here's one example from an interview with Adam Leith Gollner, author of "The Fruit Hunters" about FDA restriction on the 'miracle berry' plant (Synsepalum dulcificum) extract:

AMY GOODMAN: I’m eating something that was banned by the FDA?

ADAM LEITH GOLLNER: Well, you’re about to find out—you’re about to hear the story. In the ’60s and the ’70s, an entrepreneur named Robert Harvey managed to raise tens of millions of dollars to create an all-natural alternative to sugar using the miracle fruit, and he managed to synthesize the active ingredient in this berry, which is a protein called “miraculin.” So, what’s happening to you right now is you have miraculin on your taste buds, and that means that when sour foods come into contact with the sweetness receptors on your taste buds, it sends this very powerful sweetness signal to your brain, even though there’s only sour coming into your mouth. And so—

AMY GOODMAN: ...... So, why was it banned?

ADAM LEITH GOLLNER: OK, so here is what happened. He started making miracle fruit tablets, because these fruits don’t have a very long shelf life, and that’s another reason that many of these fruits from the tropics don’t make it here, is that they just have no shelf life whatsoever. But he put them in tablet form. Diabetics were going crazy for them. Kids were choosing miracle fruit popsicles over regular popsicles by this enormous margin. And companies, other corporations started getting interested. And Harvey was turning down offers in the billions for control—billions of dollars were being offered to him for this, because it looked like it was poised to become an all-natural alternative to sugar. And even the artificial sweetening industry was very concerned about this threat of this small red berry.
But what happened was, that just as it was about to launch, Harvey’s company, his office was raided by industrial spies. His files were stolen. He got into high-speed car chases in the middle of the night. People were following him.

AMY GOODMAN: Who is this guy?

ADAM LEITH GOLLNER: He was the entrepreneur that brought miraculin to the market in 1960s and ’70s. And then it got banned just as it was about to launch. And he got a letter in 1974 from the FDA saying the miracle berry—miracle berry products are not allowed into the market in any form whatsoever. And so, he had to shut down the entire operation.

AMY GOODMAN: And that’s been the end of it since?

ADAM LEITH GOLLNER: Well, no. Now, this is coming back, because some growers in Florida have figured out that they can actually ships these berries overnight to consumers. So with the rise of overnight shipping, the miracle fruit has had a kind of second coming, and people are able to taste it once again.

AMY GOODMAN: But it’s still banned by the FDA.

ADAM LEITH GOLLNER: I called the FDA several dozen times and had a very hard time getting anybody to be able to speak about it. But what I did learn was that it is considered a food additive, and it is not allowed to be used as a food additive. Now, the fresh berry itself is different. So they said the berry can be used, and that’s the USDA’s department. But the USDA doesn’t even know it exists. So it is in a kind of regulatory limbo.

There's not a single person in your entire bureaucracy that is actually working to do their job rather than working to KEEP their job. Your lives are futile and worthless.

 

[2sheds]

THe petition I signed was called: keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available. (As a newbie I can't post URLs yet).

 

[Vapor Fiend]

These products are marketed and sold to young people and are readily available online and in shopping malls.

Why do they just blatantly lie? There is no shred of evidence to support that these are sold to children. You don't see e-cigs in ice-cream trucks.

comes in flavors such as chocolate, mint...which may encourage minors to use the products..

Again.. These are not intended for children. Every supplier has an age requirement. You need a credit card to buy them online. And guess what, if you buy them in the malls, you need to be 18!

 

[HighTech]

Why do they just blatantly lie? There is no shred of evidence to support that these are sold to children. You don't see e-cigs in ice-cream trucks.



Again.. These are not intended for children. Every supplier has an age requirement. You need a credit card to buy them online. And guess what, if you buy them in the malls, you need to be 18!

They lie because they want to sway public opinion. They lie to serve their own agenda. They lie because of money. They lie because they want them off the market, as it is a threat to tobacco tax revenue not only for the Federal government but also the state governments, because a lot of the tobacco settlement payments to states and the federal government are tied to sales of tobacco. If sales go down, so do the settlement payments...

Well, they will have no part of that, SO THEY LIE...

 

[mxellis]

I also got emails from family and friends with regards to the FDA announcement. Just goes to show how much damage is done by government in the media. Oh wait, I forgot about the reasons we invaded Iraq.

Great article Spikey. Can I forward it to our local media here in AZ?

Best Regards,

Mr.E

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Dear Nathan,
The topic of electronic (or e-) cigarettes have been of increasing interest recently with consumers, especially smokers who are struggling to quit. These devices apparently contain no tobacco, mimic cigarettes and come in a variety of flavors. Most e-cigarettes claim to deliver nicotine; some do not. Several varieties of e-cigarettes are now on the market and some may be appealing to children and young adults.

Some people view these relatively new devices as a potentially "safe cigarette", or a possible smoking cessation aide. As an organization devoted to keeping young people from smoking and helping all smokers quit, the American Legacy Foundation supports research-proven products and techniques that can help smokers quit smoking - such as approved nicotine replacement products, and cessation counseling.

However, at this time, there is no publicly available independent research on the critically important questions of safety and effectiveness of e-cigarettes. Research is not yet available on how the "smoking" technology these products use affects human health, nor is it known what ingredients these products actually deliver (nicotine or otherwise) and what the risks of these products might be. Without knowing exactly what ingredients these products contain, we cannot know what long-term health effect(s) said ingredients may have on those exposed to them.

Legacy is concerned about the potential health risks and the other claims made by the makers associated with these products. We believe that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) should properly evaluate and, if need be, regulate this product as is customary.

Thanks for your interest. For more information on Legacy's policy toward this product, please visit the American Legacy Foundation's policy statement section at Policy Statements - American Legacy Foundation.

Best of health,

truth®

 

[LaceyUnderall]

"the American Legacy Foundation supports research-proven products and techniques that can help smokers quit smoking - such as approved nicotine replacement products, and cessation counseling."

Need we say more? Sadly enough, The Truth, is funded by pharm... but they don't tell you that in their advertisements

EDIT: Personally, this was a very hard pill to swallow. This was my eye opening experience on how deep the pharmaceutical fingers run. I had always thought that the Truth campaign, Tobacco Free Kids, et all were here for public health... I was truly disappointed.

Now... kind of mad.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Yeah, but it was worth a go... and they apparently got enough emails about it that they needed to create a form letter. That in itself is good news.

 

[learner]

"the American Legacy Foundation supports research-proven products and techniques that can help smokers quit smoking - such as approved nicotine replacement products, and cessation counseling."

Need we say more? Sadly enough, The Truth, is funded by pharm... but they don't tell you that in their advertisements

I am a public health student learning about the pros and cons of ecigs. I just wanted to clarify a few things. Nicotine replacement products and counseling are recommended because they are the only 2 methods that have been shown scientifically over many studies to make a significant difference in quitting success. Also, The Truth is not funded by pharma in any meaningful way. Truth received hundreds of millions of dollars from the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement w/ the tobacco companies.Studies have found that they've prevented many youth from starting smoking. And i think everyone would agree that that is a good thing. (And if anything, preventing youth from starting is bad for the nicorette, patch, etc. makers.)

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I am a public health student learning about the pros and cons of ecigs. I just wanted to clarify a few things. Nicotine replacement products and counseling are recommended because they are the only 2 methods that have been shown scientifically over many studies to make a significant difference in quitting success. Also, The Truth is not funded by pharma in any meaningful way. Truth received hundreds of millions of dollars from the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement w/ the tobacco companies.Studies have found that they've prevented many youth from starting smoking. And i think everyone would agree that that is a good thing. (And if anything, preventing youth from starting is bad for the nicorette, patch, etc. makers.)

You are correct. The tobacco settlement did create the American Legacy Foundation. The ALF also funds, through donations, Tobacco Free Kids. Resources - American Legacy Foundation, amongst other groups.

RJR Foundation The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids - RWJF funds Tobacco Free Kids amongst others.

I am noting that in speaking with both Tobacco Free Kids and with American Legacy, they work hand in hand AND are reading from the same play book.

Also, you should find SheriD around here. She can point you to countless studies noting that the NRT's do not have successful rates of quitting. She is very nice and happy to help you! Tons of research and links.

But! This is one thing that many suppliers/consumers are trying to get out: This product should not be compared to a smoking cessation device because there is no proof (in clinical trials yes... real world exactly the opposite). As a smoking alternative though, this product ranks high on the scale of a good step forward and the FDA's recent toxicology report, even though they omitted any data noting actual levels, proves this to be so.

Please, do not get me wrong. Any group that wants to help children stay away from nicotine is great! It is addictive. I would also support any group that wants to keep children off of caffeine, another highly addictive drug. However, I simply cannot understand why they wouldn't be pro-tobacco harm reduction products. Smokey Mountain offers a snuff that is tobacco free and even though it is a "tobacco product" (mind you I don't know how, it actually has less TSNA's in it than do NRT's.), these groups are against this type of product.

Damn. I have picked a side. I am pro- Tobacco Harm Reduction and anti- "quit or die". Oh well. Was bound to happen sooner rather than later!

EDIT: For the final record... if someone wants to quit... IMHO the ONLY suggestion anyone should make is counseling. "Crutches" are just that.