FDA Sides With US!

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Adrenalynn

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Does anyone actually believe this Genie is going back in its bottle all nice and neat? I doubt it. They're just poking at it figuring out what legal avenue will best extract the most money from it in taxes/tariffs/fees. These are just the opening salvos to a much bigger play. The governments see it too...
 

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Does anyone actually believe this Genie is going back in its bottle all nice and neat? I doubt it. They're just poking at it figuring out what legal avenue will best extract the most money from it in taxes/tariffs/fees. These are just the opening salvos to a much bigger play. The governments see it too...

Of course they are, but we've got a small reprieve right now and I'm not going to quit stocking up. LOL
 

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I keep overlooking the ECF notices at the top of every page whenever I'm on this site. I just noticed today's:

"Today, Federal Court Judge Richard J. Leon held that the FDA appears to have no jurisdiction over Electronic Cigarettes absent the introduction of further evidence at trial, and held that during trial the FDA can not stop the importation of Electronic Cigarettes into the United States or to ban the sale and marketing of them.

This long awaited ruling, although not final, is welcomed by us all.

Sun Vaporer and the ECF team."
 

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I just read the entire document, and here's my breakdown, but first a couple of quick replys:
I hope they have to repay the buyers of those shipments for loss of sales and loss of product if they were of an earlier model that there is no longer a buyer for. Any Juices that have suffered damage due to storage conditions and the such.
No, the FDA doesn't have to pay a cent. they're covered by being a fedral agency, I can get you the specifics if you like.
So the key words here are "during trial". So, there is going to be a trial now? Or does that mean an appeal process.

Every time I think I understand how things work, reality hits me in the head. :)
OK, so here's the breakdown, as I read it:


Firstly an overview:
1) FDA blocks imports.
2) They are taken to court over their right to do so (this is still pending)
3) Smoking Everywhere and njoy call for the injunction - Basically they claimed: "We need our products allowed into the USA because if they aren't allowed in, we will be destroyed as companies, and there is no risk to the public demonstrated"
4) Judge leon has now decided that he will allow the imports, as a) he expects that Smoking Everywhere and njoy will win their final case, and b) FDA hasn't provided any sort of a solid case that e-cigs are anything other than an alternate way to smoke (and are not drug devices)

And that's it for now.
It means the FDA releases all remaining kept packages (anything held over 90 days was destroyed, unless exported within that time) and will allow future packages in, Until (and unless) the full case is finished with, and the FDA wins and gets to continue. (And, as mentioned, the Judge basically gives them a snowball's chance in hell of winning, unless they come up with a lot more evidence).

Hope that helps clear it up for some, I know there were over a thousand posts to the "Official" thread on this topic, and it's a lot to wade through.

Dan.
 

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I just read the entire document, and here's my breakdown, but first a couple of quick replys:

No, the FDA doesn't have to pay a cent. they're covered by being a fedral agency, I can get you the specifics if you like.

OK, so here's the breakdown, as I read it:


Firstly an overview:
1) FDA blocks imports.
2) They are taken to court over their right to do so (this is still pending)
3) Smoking Everywhere and Njoy call for the injunction - Basically they claimed: "We need our products allowed into the USA because if they aren't allowed in, we will be destroyed as companies, and there is no risk to the public demonstrated"
4) Judge leon has now decided that he will allow the imports, as a) he expects that Smoking Everywhere and NJoy will win their final case, and b) FDA hasn't provided any sort of a solid case that e-cigs are anything other than an alternate way to smoke (and are not drug devices)

And that's it for now.
It means the FDA releases all remaining kept packages (anything held over 90 days was destroyed, unless exported within that time) and will allow future packages in, Until (and unless) the full case is finished with, and the FDA wins and gets to continue. (And, as mentioned, the Judge basically gives them a snowball's chance in hell of winning, unless they come up with a lot more evidence).

Hope that helps clear it up for some, I know there were over a thousand posts to the "Official" thread on this topic, and it's a lot to wade through.

Dan.
I do not think you are exactly correct as to what the judge was saying about the FDAs chances of winning are. I interperet it to mean that the judge is saying they are not a drug delivery device but a tobacco product which is now under FDA control anyway. If you read the conclusion you will see what I mean.
 

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Thanks DaShiVa, I have my own attorney explaining it all to me as I sit here going through the paperwork.
Kinda hard......I have a laymans thoughts on how my down to earth common sense gets pushed into the MUD all the time.
It still does not make it right. I don't care what "they" say. I know, I know---it's how the system is set up and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
 

DaShiVa

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I do not think you are exactly correct as to what the judge was saying about the FDAs chances of winning are. I interperet it to mean that the judge is saying they are not a drug delivery device but a tobacco product which is now under FDA control anyway. If you read the conclusion you will see what I mean.

I think you perhaps misunderstood my post...

Yes, the Judge thinks the FDA will/should be able to regulate them as tobacco products, however the case was that they were not drugs, and that is what the Judge has stated - They're not drugs. That's what SE and NJOY wanted, and they've got eh injunction, and the Judge thinks the final ruling will be in their favour of this.

I think it's also what the majority of us users want also, to have our ecigs an an healthier alternative to analogs. Sure, there are some who plan to quit with them, but noone here really wants/needs/hopes for them to be ruled as drug device combinations. They just want to be able to 'smoke' without the carcinogens and smell, etc. And this is what the Judge has said he sees it as, and what he expects it to be ruled as.

Once the final case is resolved then we can worry about how the FDA will ban flavours (which it almost certainly will) and when our taxes will kick in, etc.

Till then we have a 'free ride' so make the most of it. And unless the Judge is very much mistaken, they will not be banned.

Also, @HzG8rGrl => I'm what the Aussies call a "Bush Lawyer" :p So I'd love to hear a clearer version once your attorney has explained it, hopefully it'll be clearer than my hash, and catch anything I missed (or any mistakes I made)
 

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Ahhhh, V4L Lives, now we gotta go over 100 flavors, whatcha think?:thumbs:

and how bout some more sales?:w00t:

Any idea's:p

let us know

Enjoy

Steve:cool:

I love it. Steve's got some wicked plans in place. I think perhaps his esp about what freebies make us smile most extends to the legal system and knowing how it's going to turn out. While we cheer about the little legal victories or angst about the future, he's more interested in what we want on special :)
:thumbs:
 

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Steve, you have had me SMILIN from the time I recieved my first order! The more flavors the better! It just makes it so hard to chose! I think a flavor of the month on special at half price for a box of carts or even a couple flavors would be an idea. Definantly more samplers for all of us to really try what you have. I mean what good is over a hundred flavors if you dont get to experience them! Thanks again for all you do and your wonderful products! You and the whole V4L family is greatly appreciated!
 
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