FDA

[CFreeAngie]

With all the news about the FDA loosening it's chokehold on e-cigarettes. I have been reading and it makes me wonder; IF the FDA considers E-cigarettes to be tobacco products because they contain nicotine, why are they not forcing the same regulations onto patches, lozenges and gum? Does anyone have more information? or comments?

 

[Beamslider]

With all the news about the FDA loosening it's chokehold on e-cigarettes. I have been reading and it makes me wonder; IF the FDA considers E-cigarettes to be tobacco products because they contain nicotine, why are they not forcing the same regulations onto patches, lozenges and gum? Does anyone have more information? or comments?

Those are FDA approved medical devices to stop smoking. Vaping isn't

 

[CFreeAngie]

Exactly!...but why? How do they justify the difference?
If their main argument is that e-cigarettes contain nicotine which is derived from tobacco. Patches and the others do as well. I am just opening this up for debate for the sake of conversation, knowing that there really is no simple answer.

 

[Foggy Road]

Aw c'mon we all know the answer! Cuz FDA ain't gonna bite the hand that feeds it. Not being snarky jus the way things work in the United States of Dollarica.

 

[CFreeAngie]

LOL, now here we go!
just wanted to hear others' opinions! Just seems like such an obvious argument on our behalf.

 

[Beamslider]

Pharmaceutical companies paid for the testing on the patches, gum etc with the intent of cleaning up on them. They aren't cheap.

Those companies can't control vape equipment and e-liquid so they won't do the research and testing needed to get approval as medical device.

There is simply no room to make a lot of money for them on vaping. You can roll your own coils, make your own juice. That doesn't leave them with a stream of cash

 

[Izan]

Pharmaceutical companies paid for the testing on the patches, gum etc with the intent of cleaning up on them. They aren't cheap.

Those companies can't control vape equipment and e-liquid so they won't do the research and testing needed to get approval as medical device.

There is simply no room to make a lot of money for them on vaping. You can roll your own coils, make your own juice. That doesn't leave them with a stream of cash

So the FDA gave them (BT/BP) another 5 years to let the market grow and consolidate before they (BT/BP) step in and take over the vape industry.

Cheers
I

 

[CFreeAngie]

On this note, I was charged a tobacco use fee from My oncologist because I vape, Would I be charged that for using a nicotine gum? or lozenge? and if not WHY?

 

[sofarsogood]

On this note, I was charged a tobacco use fee from My oncologist because I vape, Would I be charged that for using a nicotine gum? or lozenge? and if not WHY?

I told my new doc I quit smoking three years ago then made the mistake of saying I did that by switching to vaping. He added vaping to my medical record and is bugging me to stop vapinng. If I'd known he would do that I wouldn't have mentioned it.

 

[CFreeAngie]

I refuse to pay it. If I told them I was using any other nicotine replacement I probably would not be charged. I have not smoked cigarettes in over 4 years after doing so for more than 30. I am very upset.

 

[zoiDman]

Exactly!...but why? How do they justify the difference?
If their main argument is that e-cigarettes contain nicotine which is derived from tobacco. Patches and the others do as well. I am just opening this up for debate for the sake of conversation, knowing that there really is no simple answer.

In the eyes of the FDA, it Isn't that Both contain Nicotine that was Derived from Tobacco. So they are the Same.

It is One is making a Medical/Health Claim (the Patch) and one is the Recreational Use of "Tobacco" (e-Cigarettes).

Now Both can be Equally Effective in helping a person quit smoking. In fact, e-Cigarettes may/can be More Effective in someone quitting. And they Both can/are "Safer" to use than Smoking.

But If I, as an OEM, want to say that an e-Cigarettes can Help you Quit/Safer than Smoking, I need to Back Up my Claim by jumping into the FDA's Rabbit Hole/Money Pit.

 

[Foggy Road]

I told my new doc I quit smoking three years ago then made the mistake of saying I did that by switching to vaping. He added vaping to my medical record and is bugging me to stop vapinng. If I'd known he would do that I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I recently had my annual DOT physical. During check-in I marked smoker on the form. Dual user. During my interview I was asked how much I smoke. I answered, had one yesterday, had one 3-4 days before that and 2 or 3 a few days before that, I vape.
After the physical I checked the paperwork and saw that she had marked my status as "ex-smoker converted to e-cig". Cool!

 

[CFreeAngie]

I recently had my annual DOT physical. During check-in I marked smoker on the form. Dual user. During my interview I was asked how much I smoke. I answered, had one yesterday, had one 3-4 days before that and 2 or 3 a few days before that, I vape.
After the physical I checked the paperwork and saw that she had marked my status as "ex-smoker converted to e-cig". Cool!

That is awesome! I wish this kind of recognition would spread!

 

[sofarsogood]

That is awesome! I wish this kind of recognition would spread!

I could have said I don't smoke. It's been long enough. I mentioned it because I wanted to promote the idea that vaping is a good thing. That didn't work. What docs know about is the illnesses they treat. They don't know much about vaping because they aren't treating illnesses caused by vaping.

 

[CFreeAngie]

I could have said I don't smoke. It's been long enough. I mentioned it because I wanted to promote the idea that vaping is a good thing. That didn't work. What docs know about is the illnesses they treat. They don't know much about vaping because they aren't treating illnesses caused by vaping.

Me too, I had originally said that I was an ex smoker, and when she asked again for some reason, I said I vape. that's when she put that charge in.

 

[rob33]

I told my new doc I quit smoking three years ago then made the mistake of saying I did that by switching to vaping. He added vaping to my medical record and is bugging me to stop vapinng. If I'd known he would do that I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I had one start that and I said "you haven't heard anything about me dragging a doctor out in the street have you" she now has a nurse sit in with us, lol