Fear-mongering in Milwaukee - 8 hospitalized

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iVapeDIY

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Let's see if this is reported to the media, and they actually report the truth.
The "vaping oil" hazard should be spread world wide.

From New York Times (3 days ago) ...
First Death in a Spate of Vaping Sicknesses Reported by Health Officials

If the respiratory illnesses can be traced to :censored:.-laced vapors, public health officials and doctors expressed concern that it may signal the emergence of a second front in the battle against youth vaping: the growing use of unregulated, bootleg or black market :censored: liquids.

“We believe that they are getting empty cartridges from somewhere and filling them with their own products,” said Nancy Gerking, assistant director of public health in Kings County, Calif., which has had numerous cases. “We don’t know what they are cutting it with or anything else.”

Until recently, these cases have been off the radar of most doctors and public health officials, who were already struggling to stop youths from vaping standard e-cigarettes. But :censored: liquids and oils have become more widely available online and in many stores. And because the ingredients may not be disclosed at all, unsuspecting consumers may be exposed to a cocktail of hazardous chemicals.

The e-cigarette market has broadened to counterfeiters and a range of devices that can be packed with different substances, including :censored:, but also various flavors and concoctions that may be mixed inexpertly.

Public health officials, however, declined to say if they yet are seeing a pattern that would make clear whether the problematic products are made by mass-market companies or counterfeiters, or whether the inhalants involved are standard to many vaping products or made or mixed by consumers themselves.

The recent revelations could also further complicate the tarnished image of the growing e-cigarette market. For several years, the industry and top-selling companies, like Juul, have faced scrutiny because of the rising popularity of e-cigarettes among teenagers, which threatens to create a new generation of nicotine addicts who may become eventual cigarette smokers.
 

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    From New York Times (3 days ago) ...
    First Death in a Spate of Vaping Sicknesses Reported by Health Officials

    If the respiratory illnesses can be traced to :censored:.-laced vapors, public health officials and doctors expressed concern that it may signal the emergence of a second front in the battle against youth vaping: the growing use of unregulated, bootleg or black market :censored: liquids.

    “We believe that they are getting empty cartridges from somewhere and filling them with their own products,” said Nancy Gerking, assistant director of public health in Kings County, Calif., which has had numerous cases. “We don’t know what they are cutting it with or anything else.”

    Until recently, these cases have been off the radar of most doctors and public health officials, who were already struggling to stop youths from vaping standard e-cigarettes. But :censored: liquids and oils have become more widely available online and in many stores. And because the ingredients may not be disclosed at all, unsuspecting consumers may be exposed to a cocktail of hazardous chemicals.

    The e-cigarette market has broadened to counterfeiters and a range of devices that can be packed with different substances, including :censored:, but also various flavors and concoctions that may be mixed inexpertly.

    Public health officials, however, declined to say if they yet are seeing a pattern that would make clear whether the problematic products are made by mass-market companies or counterfeiters, or whether the inhalants involved are standard to many vaping products or made or mixed by consumers themselves.

    The recent revelations could also further complicate the tarnished image of the growing e-cigarette market. For several years, the industry and top-selling companies, like Juul, have faced scrutiny because of the rising popularity of e-cigarettes among teenagers, which threatens to create a new generation of nicotine addicts who may become eventual cigarette smokers.
    That's good the NYT put out an explanation.
    Now we need the rest of the broadcast media doing the same.
    Not many kids read the NYT.
    Maybe next week?
     

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    If federal law and state law could get on the same page here, none of this would likely happen. However, the places where you can't have a clean, regulated facility...you get black market stuff that makes people sick.

    It's the oldest "dealer trick" in the book...stretch your product further by cutting it with a filler and doubling or tripling profits. However, the problem is this is a fairly new thing so cutting these carts with random ingredients isn't working so well.

    Regardless the biggest problem here is that it's just being labeled a "vaping problem" when in reality it's a problem with unregulated, black market carts.
     

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    If federal law and state law could get on the same page here, none of this would likely happen. However, the places where you can't have a clean, regulated facility...you get black market stuff that makes people sick.

    It's the oldest "dealer trick" in the book...stretch your product further by cutting it with a filler and doubling or tripling profits. However, the problem is this is a fairly new thing so cutting these carts with random ingredients isn't working so well.

    Regardless the biggest problem here is that it's just being labeled a "vaping problem" when in reality it's a problem with unregulated, black market carts.
    Agree.
    Also the "alternative" substance industry labels their products as "oils" whether it's meant to be vaped or not.
    I could see a kid re-filling a Juul with .... and any "oil" and vape it.
    CDC should be broadcasting DO NOT VAPE ANY OIL.
     
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    DESPICABLE how the Milwaukee Urinal-Sentinel is piling on the lies. Oh, they inconspicuously admit the guy was using that stuff beginning with T. But their lengthy screed against Juul, whose only involvement was in others' re-use of their pods, proves that this is their real target.

    They've also dug up some clown who claims to have used 4 pods per day! 1 pod is supposed to supply 200 puffs. He must have been doing it constantly to go through so many, or else it's pure BS that the media want to hear.

    And bottom-feeding lawyers have filed lawsuits with bogus accusations in Illinois.

    jsonline dot com/story/news/2019/08/29/vaping-hospitalizations-former-wisconsin-high-school-athlete-in-icu-lung-damage-epidemic/2131878001/
     

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    And the "public health" charlatans are cynically stoking the unjustified fear of vaping. "The City of Milwaukee issued a health alert Wednesday urging people to stop vaping immediately amid an outbreak of lung disease doctors suspect is linked to e-cigarettes... 'We continue to learn more about the health effects associated with e-cigarettes,' Milwaukee Health Commissioner Jeanette Kowalik said in a statement. 'As the public health authority for the city, the MHD is committed to protecting the public from the dangers of secondhand exposure.'"

    This is an outright lie. There are no "dangers of secondhand exposure" to ecigs. Not even from the ones with the T in them, which the health charlatan obviously couldn't care less about.

    jsonline dot com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2019/08/28/milwaukee-urges-people-stop-vaping-lung-disease-cases-rise/2145406001/
     

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    Here's WaPo's latest. "The sudden onset of these mysterious illnesses and the patients’ severe and distinctive symptoms have led investigators to focus on contaminants, rather than standard vaping products that have been in wide use for many years."

    Re the 'stop all vaping' BS, "Some of those warnings have drawn criticism from both industry and health groups for being overly alarmist and broad about which products might be dangerous." And they quote Michael Siegel and others.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e26032-ca78-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html
     

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    It's the oldest "dealer trick" in the book...stretch your product further by cutting it with a filler and doubling or tripling profits. However, the problem is this is a fairly new thing so cutting these carts with random ingredients isn't working so well.

    As vaping-related lung illnesses spike, investigators eye contaminants
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e26032-ca78-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html

    now up to 354 possible cases in 29 states

    The investigation is “starting to point to what solvents are being used, and that can vary a lot” — especially in counterfeit or black-market products, including potentially mislabeled solvents that consumers buy themselves to make do-it-yourself “home brews,” said an official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is heading the investigation.

    Pennsylvania’s UPMC health system, which includes 40 hospitals, including the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, has treated at least 14 individuals with acute lung injuries related to vaping in recent weeks, doctors said. Several patients told clinicians they bought THC products online from a popular brand called Dank Vapes. Industry sources say marketers often fill an empty cartridge with potentially unsafe ingredients and sell to unsuspecting customers.

    Unknown oils, also colorless and odorless, are then being added back to the mixture to give the appearance of purity
     

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    Here's WaPo's latest. "The sudden onset of these mysterious illnesses and the patients’ severe and distinctive symptoms have led investigators to focus on contaminants, rather than standard vaping products that have been in wide use for many years."

    Re the 'stop all vaping' BS, "Some of those warnings have drawn criticism from both industry and health groups for being overly alarmist and broad about which products might be dangerous." And they quote Michael Siegel and others.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e26032-ca78-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html


    Interesting article.
    Nice to see a bit more accurate data coming out,
    but it still has a lot of the usual MSM "We still don't know..., and other misinformation.
    The comments were horrendous.
     

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    Interesting article.
    Nice to see a bit more accurate data coming out

    Have an actual experience with a bad 'solvent'. During an extended visit to the Orient, I bought VG from a local vape store. It looked clear and viscosity seemed correct. After mixing and shaking, bubbles and oily strands surfaced and never disappeared; the impurities clumped and rose to the surface. Since VG can be made with vegetable or animal fat, I suspect it was residual animal fat impurities. What a waste ... I suppose I could use that VG to make soap or some sort of 'lube' ;):p.
     

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    Latest from Wisconsin:
    Officials with the state Department of Health Services said Thursday that 24 of the 27 individuals with confirmed lung injuries in the state reported vaping oil with :censored:, the psychoactive ingredient in :censored:.

    That's 89%. But it's still not enough to satisfy the vape-haters.

    Officials cautioned, however, that they have not ruled out nicotine vapes as potential culprits as well. Sixteen — nearly 60% — of the same 27 people hospitalized said they vaped nicotine. Health officials would not say how many reported using both.

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...dges-investigated-wisconsin-cases/2154799001/
     

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    Here's this morning's joint CDC-FDA statement, Friday, August 30, 2019. They've lowered the fear-mongering a bit. "...if you are concerned about these specific health risks, consider refraining from the use of e-cigarette products." But it doesn't come down hard about vaping oils, as Michael Siegel recommends.

    Statement from CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, M.D., and Acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless, M.D., on federal and state collaboration to investigate respiratory illnesses reported after use of e-cigarette products | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC
     

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    Not a single mention of the CDC statement on the CBS Evening News tonight, but they did find time for a brief report on the ongoing state investigations of Juul. :-x:-x:-x

    Yeah... And the Frustrating thing (and something that can be Widely Overlooked) is if a Media Outlet(s) will Spin Things like they have with this "Vaping is making people get sick", what else are they Putting Spin On?

    Or maybe a Better question:

    Are there things that Media Outlets are Not putting Spin On?
     
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