Filler-Free Options? Difference between Phoenix and Fluxomizer?

[mattkohl71]

I'll keep this short and sweet and hopefully get some great responses!

Ever since I got my first clearomizer, I realized I just can't keep going with plain ol' cartomizers. They just don't get it done nearly as well.

So, I am planning on going all clearomizer, but after looking around for a couple weeks I realized I couldn't find jack for my 808D-1 batteries.

Then I stumbled on to GotVapes!

Pretty damn cheap Fluxomizers and the Phoenix's aren't that bad as well. And they are even getting 808D-1 threaded clearomizers!

What exactly is the difference between the two? Performance differences?

I am leaning heavily towards wanting Phoenix's... They just look perfect to me. Do I have to worry about certain juices cracking it though?

Will a cone fit over the 1.5ml Phoenix or the 1.8ml Fluxomizer?

Thanks and I hope to pick something up very soon!

 

[tinajfreeman]

I have not used the FLuxomizer but I love the Phoenix XL. My ego cones don't fit, but I have heard some others do.

 

[dannoman]

Matt if you go to gotvapes - YouTube I have a video up there that covers the new Fluxos Supreme...

 

[mattkohl71]

Matt if you go to gotvapes - YouTube I have a video up there that covers the new Fluxos Supreme...

Very informative videos on there! Watched one for the new Fluxomizer, Phoenix and the ones from GrimGreen.

It looks like the Phoenix's are a bit too popular... So I may just get some Fluxomizers to hold me over until I can try them both!

But a cone definitely won't fit, right? They're a bit wider than a normal cartomizer, so doesn't look like it.

Thanks again!

 

[YoMa!]

My cones fit, but you can order a wider one from gotvapes. Look under atomizers and accessories on the left side of the page then ego cones.

Just remembered you said 808 battery. The cones are for ego batteries. Maybe you can do something with an adapter if you want one.

 

[Rule62]

I have them both. I've been using CE2 top coils for about a year. The new Fluxos are great. I just began expreimenting with the Phoenix bottom coils a couple weeks ago. So far, I really like them also. Basically, the Fluxos will give you a warmer vape, because the coil is closer to your lips. The Phoenix will be a bit cooler. The Phoenix are virtually leak free, as long as they are filled properly. I've only used a couple, and have had no need to mod either of them. The Fluxos are a little more "fiddly". Sometimes you have to either remove, or modify the neoprene cup seal slightly. I'm anxious to try the new Phoenix top coils, when they're available. They seem like they would be the best of both worlds.

 

[Briar]

+1

Just one word to the wise: Don't fill the Phoenix with a sharp needle. Experience speaking...

I have them both. I've been using CE2 top coils for about a year. The new Fluxos are great. I just began expreimenting with the Phoenix bottom coils a couple weeks ago. So far, I really like them also. Basically, the Fluxos will give you a warmer vape, because the coil is closer to your lips. The Phoenix will be a bit cooler. The Phoenix are virtually leak free, as long as they are filled properly. I've only used a couple, and have had no need to mod either of them. The Fluxos are a little more "fiddly". Sometimes you have to either remove, or modify the neoprene cup seal slightly. I'm anxious to try the new Phoenix top coils, when they're available. They seem like they would be the best of both worlds.

 

[mattkohl71]

I have them both. I've been using CE2 top coils for about a year. The new Fluxos are great. I just began expreimenting with the Phoenix bottom coils a couple weeks ago. So far, I really like them also. Basically, the Fluxos will give you a warmer vape, because the coil is closer to your lips. The Phoenix will be a bit cooler. The Phoenix are virtually leak free, as long as they are filled properly. I've only used a couple, and have had no need to mod either of them. The Fluxos are a little more "fiddly". Sometimes you have to either remove, or modify the neoprene cup seal slightly. I'm anxious to try the new Phoenix top coils, when they're available. They seem like they would be the best of both worlds.

I actually randomly found that thread as well!

I really do hope they have 808D-1 threads for the top coil in the new shipment they're getting soon.

I do think that the new top coil ones will be fantastic! Since I just can't decide on the Fluxomizer, I'll just say screw it and wait for some Phoenix's to come in!

Have you tried the larger model Phoenix as well? 3ml, if I'm correct. That seems too good to be true!

 

[Briar]

Oh, c'mon, try the Fluxo - you might fall in love with it. Many do. It's the *classic*!

Oh, btw, about your op... You mentioned that every single Stardust you tried got a cracked tube. How long ago was that? The ones I have now don't crack... I'm not positive, but it may have been a prevalent problem with one particular "sub-edition" or batch, but I swear, I haven't had a single colored one crack on me yet, and I vape nothing but Stardusts. At this point I have 20-something of them, of which 10 are always filled and in daily rotation. At the last "pruning" I tossed four of them, all transparent, and all from the same batch (second or third I think). Just one of the later colored ones is showing a single crack at this point.

I actually randomly found that thread as well!

I really do hope they have 808D-1 threads for the top coil in the new shipment they're getting soon.

I do think that the new top coil ones will be fantastic! Since I just can't decide on the Fluxomizer, I'll just say screw it and wait for some Phoenix's to come in!

Have you tried the larger model Phoenix as well? 3ml, if I'm correct. That seems too good to be true!

 

[mattkohl71]

Oh, c'mon, try the Fluxo - you might fall in love with it. Many do. It's the *classic*!

Oh, btw, about your op... You mentioned that every single Stardust you tried got a cracked tube. How long ago was that? The ones I have now don't crack... I'm not positive, but it may have been a prevalent problem with one particular "sub-edition" or batch, but I swear, I haven't had a single colored one crack on me yet, and I vape nothing but Stardusts. At this point I have 20-something of them, of which 10 are always filled and in daily rotation. At the last "pruning" I tossed four of them, all transparent, and all from the same batch (second or third I think). Just one of the later colored ones is showing a single crack at this point.

If my current budget supported that, I would have ordered them days ago! Haha

I have well over a grand in bills in the next two months and 80 bucks to work with... Jobs won't hire me because they can get some little 16 year old brat to do it for cheaper and who doesn't know the labor laws so. Blows.

Considering the 808D-1 threading is pretty rare, I may just get some Fluxomizers to hold me over until I get some more cash!

Also, what I meant by juices cracking is that for Stardusts, there is a whole list of juices that cause them to have serious issues. Like strong mints, citrus, acidic (Lemonade type stuff).

For the Fluxomizers, I watched some videos about how tough they are so I doubt ANY juice is going to effect it.

But the Phoenix... If they're the same type of plastic, wouldn't they have the same issues with the mint/citrus/acidic juices as well?

 

[Rule62]

+1

Just one word to the wise: Don't fill the Phoenix with a sharp needle. Experience speaking...

Good point. I did that with my first filling. I always fill my Fluxos with 20 ga sharp needles. I don't think I hurt the Phoenix too bad. I was pretty careful. But the little blunt tip that comes with them works much better.

 

[melloyello]

*snip

But the Phoenix... If they're the same type of plastic, wouldn't they have the same issues with the mint/citrus/acidic juices as well?

*snip

the phoenix tube is not the same material as the stardust. The tube is actually squeezable,the stardust isnt.

No juice has made my phoenix crack.

 

[mattkohl71]

*snip *snip

the phoenix tube is not the same material as the stardust. The tube is actually squeezable,the stardust isnt.

No juice has made my phoenix crack.

All right, sounds perfect then!

I am leaning towards a top coil however... I know the bottom coil probably works great, I just hate when my clearo doesn't heat up enough and it feels like I'm just breathing normal air with some flavor.

Any word on shipment details yet?

 

[badkolo]

when you try the new phoenix top coil there wont be any going back. id ont pit them against the visions as they work well and come in many sizes and serve there purpose, they will be around for a while, but when it comes to ce2 style top coils in the same size as shape as orginal ce2 xl's, the phoenix xl tops them all.

 

[melloyello]

i am not a believer in ce2 top coils because i

1- get juice in my mouth
2-get dry hits more than any other carto
3-when laid in its side, the tube gets juice in it

this is not to say those things cant be fixed somewhere down the road but until then....

(i do like the warmth of the vape on them)

 

[mattkohl71]

when you try the new phoenix top coil there wont be any going back. id ont pit them against the visions as they work well and come in many sizes and serve there purpose, they will be around for a while, but when it comes to ce2 style top coils in the same size as shape as orginal ce2 xl's, the phoenix xl tops them all.

Damnit stop it! I want one now! Haha

So any word on the shipment? Only 510 threads or... Something for me!?

Will definitely get an order of Fluxomizers AND Phoenix's in my first purchase. Should be sometime late next week.

 

[Briar]

The Phoenix tubes are made of the same material as the Fluxo tubes, so I don't think they'll crack.

And, the new Stardust tubes are not supposed to crack and leech either - right, Bad?

 

[Debadoo]

i am not a believer in ce2 top coils because i

1- get juice in my mouth
2-get dry hits more than any other carto
3-when laid in its side, the tube gets juice in it

this is not to say those things cant be fixed somewhere down the road but until then....

(i do like the warmth of the vape on them)

I've been reading a lot of threads about these too and watching videos. Trying to decide, fluxo, phonix etc. Are all of these considered to be CE2's? I'm really knew and have little idea what I'm doing, but have just tried some boge cartos, and ego mega dual coil, and I really don't like them. Little to no flavor, and very dry. Thought I'd burned some up, but just pulled one apart, not burnt, and still had a lot of juice toward the bottom of the filling. So not sure why it tastes bad and seems so dry. But anyhow, thinking about trying either a fluxo or phoenix.

Have any of y'all had these issues that melloyello talks about? I know Grimm Green said if you get a dry hit with the fluxo even after modding the seal, just flip it upside down for a minute, wet the wicks and you're good. My biggest concern is will they flood the tube if you lay them on their side? That sounds like a huge problem that would make me rethink this all together.

 

[Debadoo]

Wow, just saw some videos for the phoenix bottom coil. It looks amazing. Specifically someone called steel jan, her video made me want one right now. I need to try to find some vids for the phoenix top coil, as she didn't think it would be that great, but didn't go into why. Of course, they are out of these, so like matt, I may try the fluxos. Hoping to be able to order something tomorrow.

Ok, so.....I'll look for some videos on it, but why would I want a phoenix top coil over the phoenix bottom coil? And...I really appreciate y'all taking the time and having the patience to help me out. I have no idea what I'm doing if that hasn't already been evident! lol

 

[Briar]

Hi, Debadoo,

Phoenix top coil isn't out yet - we are all waiting with baited breath.

Phoenix bottom coils are beloved by many, and when they work right, they are pretty bomb-proof - you can put it upside down, on it's side, whatever. However, some folks have had problems with them suddenly emptying themselves all over the place. This probably happens if they are not filled quite right, or the top seal is not completely airtight, which can happen if its damaged in some way. This damage may be miniscule, but any lack of airtightness will cause a leak.

For a bottom coil, Phoenix taste really good. I don't use them myself (just tried one box) because I don't like it's much cooler vapor, and for me all bottom coils have a taste "accent" that I prefer to be without. But most people swear by their taste.

Fluxos don't leak either, as far as I know. I haven't used the current version, but the old version didn't, even modded. Again, as long as you pay attention, and make sure everything is where it's supposed to be. Their taste if great, to that I can attest, since the only thing changed in the new version is the seal. I have never gotten juice in my mouth with a drip tip, only with the tip that comes in the box. This issue really had to do with condensation accumulating on top of the seal and in the tip, so if you take off the tip once in a while and clear that out, you shouldn't have any problems. I don't agree with Grimm Green about turning them upside-down. There is no need. You simply have to tilt them while vaping - holding it like a cig - when you are below half-full point. That's the easiest way to get a consistent vape. I have very rarely got juice into the center tube in one of these (flooded) - I don't think that's one of their standard failings. I think the biggest complaint with the Fluxos is the dry hits - but for most people these are easily remedied. There are a couple of other possible quirks with them, but unless you have a problem (which most people don't), I'll refrain for now.

"Trying to decide, fluxo, phonix etc. Are all of these considered to be CE2's?"

Only the Fluxo is considered a CE2 - basically anything that looks like a Fluxo is called that. Bottom coils we just call "bottom coils".

A personal recommendation:

If you are totally new to the clearo scene, I would recommend neither the Fluxo, nor the Phoenix. I would recommend either the Stardust, or the Extreme Regular or Mini. Stardusts *never* leak, no matter what you do with them, are very easy to fill, have great taste, and are probably the easiest, user-friendliest carto of all, clearo or fillered. Extremes are probably second in user-friendliness. Their wicking is fantastic, you don't have to mod them for optimal performance, etc. They can leak and flood if mishandled though.

All-in-all, I would really suggest a Stardust. You really can't go wrong with them, imho. The only reason not to get them is if you only use the slim batteries. They are made for eGos, and look pretty silly on a slim 510 - you can do it, mind you, it's just the aesthetic thing. LOL They also need an adapter to go on most mods.