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[Wheelin247]

Honestly, if I understand you correctly, that's not good enough for mixing. You want a scale that measures 1/100 of a gram (and I'm not going to get into what precision and accuracy mean here.) A scale that reads in tenths of grams is only useful for large batches.

You should mix however you prefer to, but it is my opinion that most new mixers will be far better off mixing by weight than by volume. It's more accurate, more repeatable, and requires much less equipment and clean-up.

I just checked and my scale does weight 1/100's. I haven't used it in a while since I usually use it to weight meat. I used to use it to weigh juice until I came up with the way I do it now. I have a concentrate and I just suck up the concentrate into a syringe, squirt it in the bottle then fill the rest up with VG. I don't know how much cleanup there is to that since there is none with the way I do it. The only equipment that I use is a single syringe so there is less cleanup with the way I do it. Can't get much more repeatable with my method. Can't get much more precise either.

With new mixers, they should do it the way the feel more comfortable mixing wether it be by weight or volume. I started off by weight and ended by volume.


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[jpasint]

You want a scale that measures 1/100 of a gram

Right you are. My mistake. 1/100 of a gram is what I should have typed.

 

[go_player]

. I have a concentrate and I just suck up the concentrate into a syringe, squirt it in the bottle then fill the rest up with VG.

Where did that concentrate come from? When I mix I'm using anywhere from one twelve flavors, in concentrations as low as 0.25% (which makes small samplers difficult.) Mixing by volume I would need to use a separate pipette for each flavor to avoid contamination, and I'd either have to throw each way, or later clean each one. And disposable pipettes are not exactly known for their accuracy. There are of course accurate lab pipettes, but they are very expensive, and not at all disposable.

OTOH, when mixing by weight I just use dropper bottles, and tare after each ingredient goes in. No muss, no fuss, accuracy, and pretty much no cleanup.

The only equipment that I use is a single syringe so there is less cleanup with the way I do it. Can't get much more repeatable with my method. Can't get much more precise either.

I don't understand how you can mix with a single syringe without cross-contaminating your flavors. Precision.. well, that's an interesting question. For a few flavors I go back to volume and just say 1 drop/X millis, but...

With new mixers, they should do it the way the feel more comfortable mixing wether it be by weight or volume. I started off by weight and ended by volume.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you here. We can still be friends . But it is my opinion that new mixers should get a scale and mix by weight. If you prefer to mix by volume, that's fine. I think that mixing by weight is objectively superior to mixing by volume in the volumes most DIYers mix. If I were mixing gallons at a time I'd mix by volume though .

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Congrats!!

 

[Wheelin247]

Where did that concentrate come from? When I mix I'm using anywhere from one twelve flavors, in concentrations as low as 0.25% (which makes small samplers difficult.) Mixing by volume I would need to use a separate pipette for each flavor to avoid contamination, and I'd either have to throw each way, or later clean each one. And disposable pipettes are not exactly known for their accuracy. There are of course accurate lab pipettes, but they are very expensive, and not at all disposable.

OTOH, when mixing by weight I just use dropper bottles, and tare after each ingredient goes in. No muss, no fuss, accuracy, and pretty much no cleanup.



I don't understand how you can mix with a single syringe without cross-contaminating your flavors. Precision.. well, that's an interesting question. For a few flavors I go back to volume and just say 1 drop/X millis, but...



I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you here. We can still be friends . But it is my opinion that new mixers should get a scale and mix by weight. If you prefer to mix by volume, that's fine. I think that mixing by weight is objectively superior to mixing by volume in the volumes most DIYers mix. If I were mixing gallons at a time I'd mix by volume though .

We can agree to disagree. Like I said newbies should mix how ever they feel more comfortable mixing. I started out mixing by weight and ended up mixing by volume. To each his own.

The concentrate I made myself. I mix the flavors with a single syringe. When I want to make a bottle using the concentrate I will fill the syringe with however ml's the flavors call for them too it off with VG. Some people who mix by weight think this is harder than it needs to be. When I mix a juice (the one I mix the most has 5 flavors) I use the 1 syringe for flavors and 1 for nic. I don't worry too much about "cross contamination" because all the flavors are going into the same mix and it's not like I'm dumping a ml or more of the 1 flavor into the other bottle when getting the correct ml of another flavor. I wipe off the blunt tipped needle then get the next flavor. Haven't tasted any "cross contamination" flavors the whole time I've been mixing by volume. I doubt u will taste .001 of 1 flavor in a 4 oz bottle of another flavor. After I'm done I have 1 syringe to clean if any cleaning. No mess, no fuss and pretty much no cleanup.

As for making samplers, I do 100DT which gives me my %'s. 1 drop = 1%. Easy figuring my friend. All whole numbers and I don't have to worry about getting a certain flavor within a couple 100th's. It's not brain surgery where you have to be that particular...or at least my taste buds can't tell a difference in a couple 100th's or so. I also think a lot of things but not everything I think of is right for everybody so that's why I say let the noobs make a decision by their own on how they want to mix. I don't talk anybody down or talk to them in a way making them think MY way is the BEST way like a lot of y'all that mix by weight (not saying that you are one of those ones but a lot of weight mixers thing that THEIR way is the ONLY way to mix and make people that are noobs think that is the ONLY way instead of putting the info about both out there and let them make that choice. Like I said we can agree to disagree but still be ECF friends.

Oh, one more thing...when you say that you think noobs should start off by weight, if I didn't weigh meat I would have bought a scale for nothing. A couple syringes from Tractor Supply for $6 and a couple blunt needle tips for $4 is A LOT less money than a scale is and if your gonna use a scale for weighing flavors you should get a GOOD one. Just saying when you say a lot less equipment, I have 3 syringes I use all together and 3 needle tips but I usually use 1 for flavors and 1 the for nic.

I hope none of that came across as mean or angry or anything like that. If it did, I am not meaning for it to. Just FYI.




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[go_player]

I hope none of that came across as mean or angry or anything like that. If it did, I am not meaning for it to. Just FYI.

I'll respond at greater length when I have the opportunity to do so, but I'm not such a shrinking violet that I'm offended by being disagreed with . It is in argument that we find truth, after all, so I welcome argument. It is not impossible to offend me, but you'd have to work at it.

And, btw, none of that came across as mean or angry- if anything you come across as a very sweet guy. No worries .

 

[go_player]

We can agree to disagree. Like I said newbies should mix how ever they feel more comfortable mixing.

Well, I don't disagree about people mixing how they want to. What works for you works for you. I do think new mixers ought to give mixing by weight a chance though- it involves a slightly larger initial outlay, but my guess is that for _most_ it is going to be the superior method.

Some people who mix by weight think this is harder than it needs to be. When I mix a juice (the one I mix the most has 5 flavors) I use the 1 syringe for flavors and 1 for nic. I don't worry too much about "cross contamination" because all the flavors are going into the same mix ... I doubt u will taste .001 of 1 flavor in a 4 oz bottle of another flavor. After I'm done I have 1 syringe to clean if any cleaning. No mess, no fuss and pretty much no cleanup.

I think this is the bone of contention, and the source of our disagreement. If you're mixing mostly complementary flavors into fairly large batches of a few recipes that makes a lot of sense. OTOH, if you're mixing lots of small batches that use disparate flavors, especially if you use some super-strong concentrates, dipping the same syringe into a series of flavors is eventually going to be a bad deal. I wouldn't even _think_ of putting a syringe that had been used to draw up a bit of, say, FLV cinnamon into another flavor (and I have plenty of 5 mil bottles of flavors that will go off before I use them up,) unless I wanted to only use that flavor in one particular recipe that used FLV cinnamon.

I tend to mix a lot of small experimental batches, and I would not dip a pipette or syringe used for one flavor into another without cleaning it. Given that, mixing by volume would be a tremendous hassle for me. If you mix mainly large batches of a few recipes with complementary flavors, and using a single syringe works for you, then your milage is going to vary considerably.

I don't talk anybody down or talk to them in a way making them think MY way is the BEST way like a lot of y'all that mix by weight (not saying that you are one of those ones but a lot of weight mixers thing that THEIR way is the ONLY way to mix and make people that are noobs think that is the ONLY way instead of putting the info about both out there and let them make that choice. Like I said we can agree to disagree but still be ECF friends.

Well, lets not forget that we're just talking about how to mix juice. I understand your perspective on this a bit better now, but I think I still disagree with you, when it comes to advice for new mixers. I'm not angry about it (or even slightly annoyed- I've enjoyed the conversation, and learned from it.) If I got angry every time someone disagreed with me on the Internet I'd be a pretty angry guy .

Oh, one more thing...when you say that you think noobs should start off by weight, if I didn't weigh meat I would have bought a scale for nothing. A couple syringes from Tractor Supply for $6 and a couple blunt needle tips for $4 is A LOT less money than a scale is and if your gonna use a scale for weighing flavors you should get a GOOD one. Just saying when you say a lot less equipment, I have 3 syringes I use all together and 3 needle tips but I usually use 1 for flavors and 1 the for nic.

Dunno- the scale most people use for mixing is $22.00 or so on Amazon, but you can get an adequate scale for like 11 bucks shipped. Given the expenses involved in smoking, vaping, mixing, buying commercial juice, etc. it just doesn't seem like an issue to me. And if you do any baking, etc., having a decent scale is a good thing anyway- I'd have one even if I didn't vape.

 

[Boompumper]

I got my first three mixes made, small batches (4x60ml) so I used the volume method. Of the three, 'Sancho' seems to be the closest to a 'shake and vape' (of course I ran out of premix in a timely fashion). I'm preparing to make a second order in an attempt to get some steeping going.

I'm enjoying the 'threadjack', so have at it, just please keep it civil.

 

[Wheelin247]

Well, I don't disagree about people mixing how they want to. What works for you works for you. I do think new mixers ought to give mixing by weight a chance though- it involves a slightly larger initial outlay, but my guess is that for _most_ it is going to be the superior method.



I think this is the bone of contention, and the source of our disagreement. If you're mixing mostly complementary flavors into fairly large batches of a few recipes that makes a lot of sense. OTOH, if you're mixing lots of small batches that use disparate flavors, especially if you use some super-strong concentrates, dipping the same syringe into a series of flavors is eventually going to be a bad deal. I wouldn't even _think_ of putting a syringe that had been used to draw up a bit of, say, FLV cinnamon into another flavor (and I have plenty of 5 mil bottles of flavors that will go off before I use them up,) unless I wanted to only use that flavor in one particular recipe that used FLV cinnamon.

I tend to mix a lot of small experimental batches, and I would not dip a pipette or syringe used for one flavor into another without cleaning it. Given that, mixing by volume would be a tremendous hassle for me. If you mix mainly large batches of a few recipes with complementary flavors, and using a single syringe works for you, then your milage is going to vary considerably.



Well, lets not forget that we're just talking about how to mix juice. I understand your perspective on this a bit better now, but I think I still disagree with you, when it comes to advice for new mixers. I'm not angry about it (or even slightly annoyed- I've enjoyed the conversation, and learned from it.) If I got angry every time someone disagreed with me on the Internet I'd be a pretty angry guy .



Dunno- the scale most people use for mixing is $22.00 or so on Amazon, but you can get an adequate scale for like 11 bucks shipped. Given the expenses involved in smoking, vaping, mixing, buying commercial juice, etc. it just doesn't seem like an issue to me. And if you do any baking, etc., having a decent scale is a good thing anyway- I'd have one even if I didn't vape.

I totally agree with you on the same syringe going into a bottle of cinnamon then into other flavors...a big NO. The flavors I'm mixing 99% of the time for my favorite and a lot of my friends favorite juice is banana, kiwi, strawberry and sweetener. I always do the banana last beings it is the strongest flavor.

I've enjoyed the convo too and I think we understand each other now even though we agree to disagree lol. I got my mixing stuff a while ago and the scale came with the kit cause I was told by a lot of people that mixing by weight "was the only way" to mix. I don't know what it ended up costing but we use it like I mentioned in an earlier comment that I'm a hunter and split up portions for dinners and the wife will use it every once in a while in the kitchen so it gets used but that's about the only times.

Even though we mix differently, I think that's one thing about vaping I like because we mix differently but in the end we come out with a product that we are happy with, keeps us off of the cigs, a hell of a lot cheaper than buying packs or cartons everyday or every week and able to meet and talk with people we never would have talked to (and make friends) if it wasn't for vaping and the community we have joined.


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[Wheelin247]

I got my first three mixes made, small batches (4x60ml) so I used the volume method. Of the three, 'Sancho' seems to be the closest to a 'shake and vape' (of course I ran out of premix in a timely fashion). I'm preparing to make a second order in an attempt to get some steeping going.

I'm enjoying the 'threadjack', so have at it, just please keep it civil.

Congrats! Your are on your way to not being stuck buying premium juices. You will find which mixes are shake n vape mixes and which ones need to steep for a bit. If you want to do a quick steep, take some of the ones that you want to steep and do a hot bath. Fill up a bowl with the hottest water you can get from your tap and set the bottles in it. Let it get to a thinner viscosity and shake the crap out of it so you end up having a bunch of small bubbles. Then take the caps off of the bottles and let them breathe. After they are cooled down, put the caps back on and set them in a cool dark place (I use a old metal camera box to keep my juices in for steeping). Try some later that day or the next day. Now this is all of your not a patient person and don't want to wait lol.

Have you looked up the 100 DT? Try that and you will be able ton"fine tune" your flavors to get what you want but make sure you keep a log of how many drops of what flavor are used then when you get it what you are looking for then you have your recipe so then put the %'s into a juice calculator and you will end up with a juice that taste the same as you had with your 100 DT.


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[Iv3shf]

The point of mixing by weight or by volume is a matter of preference.
By weight the must is to have a good scale with at least two decimals (0,01 as @go_player said 1/100 of a gram) cheap chinese scales are no go.
You have to convert in weight all flavours/PG/VG/Nic (1,036 g/ml PG and flavours and Nic carried by PG and 1,26 g/ml VG) Ejuice me up can help you on that.
By volume it's easier, wouldn't say faster, and you need 3 or 4 type of syringes 1ml, 2,5ml, 5ml and 10ml but you have to be careful in rinsing them every time in water and the organization on your table has to be perfect, easier but messy.

 

[Boompumper]

Not sure I can speed steeping as the 'scientific' side of me wants to know how long it takes.

Ordered 17 more flavors to make 8 more recipes.

 

[Iv3shf]

Unfortunately your "scientific" side has lost, there's not such a rule, it's up to you.
Two ways I know of speeding up steeping is using a UC combined with a magnetic stirrer ( 1 day= -1 week)

For "How Long" we have to take into account quite a few factors, mainly:

Base composition:VG takes longer then PG to combine the flavour molecules (+1 week)
Tobaccos or NET: from 3 weeks to... I forgot about this..
Creamy : 2 weeeks to a month (not longer, they start loosing flavor the curve drops)
Fruity: 2 weeks to 3 weeks (same as above)
Drinks: 1 week to 3 weeks.
Keep in the dark and shake daily, but you already know this.

SHake and vape? your only chance is Hi PG with Fruits and mints (or crystals..)
Hope this helps you.