Flabbergasted Why King County??? Why???

[LilMew]

I could see a ban of indoor vaping in the interest of the public if the idea behind it was sound. Right now it sounds a lot like “jumping off the bridge because all your friends are doing it so we should ban bridges in public places.” If someone sees me blow out my vapor in a bar and my “cigarette” is burning blue. Then they decide to light up their real one despite the absence of ashtrays and stink… then I can’t help them, no one can. At that point the only option is for them to remove themselves from the general population so the saner ones amongst us no longer have to deal with them…

Considering all the bars I have personally vaped in I have never, not once, not EVER, had a person see what I was doing and light a real cigarette…



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[leeshor]

I'm guessing your County Health Department is no less dumb than several others, maybe a little more. They'll look for any reason stupid or not to control what people do. The original reasoning for a ban was second hand smoke so if there is none then stay the he** out of everyone's face.

 

[jeffree]

I feel your pain. As Seinfeld so aptly observed, "People are the worst." And when they lack knowledge, they're even worse. Good luck, LilMew.

 

[Mary Kay]

O.K. people..put the water down! Some kid might see you drinking it and want a vodka and tonic! No gum chewing..someone might think you are chewing tobacco!
McDonalds is going nuts because of the ban against toys in kids meals if they don't meet the anorexic calorie counts.

Common sense has gone the way of dodo's!

 

[Davo]

"Government Inteligence"

Well where is the purfume police when you need them, I want a ban on cheap perfume in public places.

 

[leeshor]

"Government Inteligence"

Well where is the purfume police when you need them, I want a ban on cheap perfume in public places.

Some workplaces have already done that, cheap or otherwise. The malls will be next;.

 

[maxx]

Banning something not for what it is....but for what some might wrongly perceive it to be? This is why I would like to see the e-cig industry develope a defense fund to challenge these silly ordinances in court. I doubt such reasoning would survive a true legal challenge with a competent attorney at the helm. Surely the e-cig business folk rub elbows with lawyers...and can get a pro bono case now and then?

 

[leeshor]

Maxx

Ditto!

 

[firefox335]

This doesn't surprise me coming from the left coast. From L.A. to San Fransisco to Portland to Seattle, the governments of the entire Pacific coast have embraced the "Nanny State" with open arms. I once considered moving to Seattle because it's beautiful, but I decided against it because I can't stand people I don't know taking such an active roll in my personal life. It's just as bad in New York and parts of the east coast. It's like a cancer that slowly eats freedom away. The upside is that people are finally beginning to get fed up.

 

[jeffree]

With all due respect, Firefox, I see things differently. I spent half of my life here on the west coast and half in Michigan, and I feel a lot more individual freedom, in general, out here. I guess it depends on your lifestyle and the personal freedoms that matter most to you.

 

[Adrenalynn]

I'm with Firefox here, Jeffree...

 

[cjhmdm]

This doesn't surprise me coming from the left coast. From L.A. to San Fransisco to Portland to Seattle, the governments of the entire Pacific coast have embraced the "Nanny State" with open arms. I once considered moving to Seattle because it's beautiful, but I decided against it because I can't stand people I don't know taking such an active roll in my personal life. It's just as bad in New York and parts of the east coast. It's like a cancer that slowly eats freedom away. The upside is that people are finally beginning to get fed up.

Are they though? From what I see on the outside looking in, more people are falling in to and believing all the fear mongering than not. And I don't think this will change because, again from the outside looking in, there are far more stupid (for lack of a better term) and gullible people than there are not...

I give it another 2 years tops before the US is in line with China...

 

[firefox335]

Well jeffree, they're not banning toys in happy meals in my neck of the woods. Nor have they banned smoking on balconies, nor have they banned soft drinks on all city property. If you want to live in an area that wants to control almost every aspect of your life, you are more than welcome. It's true that the west coast is a lot more tolerant of people's ethnic diversity and sexual orientation, which I wish I could say was the case in the midwest, but sadly, we're not there yet.

 

[firefox335]

Are they though? From what I see on the outside looking in, more people are falling in to and believing all the fear mongering than not. And I don't think this will change because, again from the outside looking in, there are far more stupid (for lack of a better term) and gullible people than there are not...

I give it another 2 years tops before the US is in line with China...

I guess maybe I'm a little more optimistic.

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

Obviously some people just want the power to tell others what to do. In this dumbed down country, they usually get their way. In my town, smoking is banned downtown OUTSIDE! I'm sure vaping will be cause for - if nothing else - disturbing the peace or some other BS charge till they pass a new law.

 

[Mary Kay]

New York seems to be as bad as Ca. Except they are more "In your Face" about it. I used to love visiting hubby's relatives in Ca..no more, they are too fruit fly for me. (The state not the relatives..come to think about it....)
But then I live in a 'Granny State"!

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

Hearing about this kind of stupity just gets my blood boiling!! What's the difference in chewing your nicotine in gum, wearing it on a patch on your arm or vaping it? What happened to the land of the free? Where's the legitimate information rather than scare mongering propaganda? These creeps should be glad people are getting off cigarettes and encourage vaping rather than banning it. It's up to all of us to educate ourselves, inform others, sign petitions, write our representatives and just blast people with our new found liberation from smoking.

 

[CatMommy]

Hearing about this kind of stupity just gets my blood boiling!! What's the difference in chewing your nicotine in gum, wearing it on a patch on your arm or vaping it?

The difference is when you're chewing gum or wearing a patch, it is you and you alone who is getting the nicotine exposure. Can you or anyone guarantee 100%, that a non-smoker who inhales my vapor is NOT getting nicotine exposure?

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

The difference is when you're chewing gum or wearing a patch, it is you and you alone who is getting the nicotine exposure. Can you or anyone guarantee 100%, that a non-smoker who inhales my vapor is NOT getting nicotine exposure?

According to the government, if you have to test for pot via urine test for work or the courts and show up dirty, you can't say you were around people who were smoking. They say it's impossible for the active ingredient to get into someone via second hand smoke. I'd guess using the goverment's own standard the same would be true for nicotine. Besides, the law would apply if you were vaping zero mg nicotine. People never got nicotine from 2nd hand smoke, it was tar that was the culprit. So I say that according to science, you can't get nicotine from someone elses vapor.

 

[CatMommy]

The issue here (and the point I was trying to make) is consent. With vapor, (because it is out there in the environment...not contained) there is the possibility that you can expose someone to something they may not consent to be exposed to.