Flavor fade

[Djboi808]

Hi everyone I made a couple bottles of juice it was really good after 3 days of steep but now after 2 weeks they lost flavor do add more flavor or is there an additive ?

 

[k702]

were you steeping it (leaving it in a dark place to sit and shaking every day or two) or were you letting it breathe (leaving it out in an open but dark space with the top off)? If you were breathing it for 2 weeks flavor will dissipate.

 

[Djboi808]

were you steeping it (leaving it in a dark place to sit and shaking every day or two) or were you letting it breathe (leaving it out in an open but dark space with the top off)? If you were breathing it for 2 weeks flavor will dissipate.

I let it breathe for 3 hours then placed it in my medicine cabinet after three days it was really good but I let it steep longer cause I was using up all my store bought ejuice. And yes I gave the juices a shake every day

 

[Djboi808]

Anyone


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[downInTn]

Did you use any additives? I have read some users think that additives, sweeteners and such, may enhance at first but after a while may mute the flavor. You may try eliminating any variables that could contribute to flavor loss.

 

[we2rcool]

Make sure you're not using any of the additives that diminish flavor and/or cause "flavor fade"...EM/cotton candy; vinegars; lemon juice, sucralose/sweetener/ez-sweets.

from here, Post #413: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268760-diy-master-techniques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-11.html

As far as I can recall, I was the one who tested lemon juice and the effects it had on fruit flavors. At the time I was also using sucralose (ezsweets) in fruit/bakery flavors. I also tested distilled vinegar (not acv, I dont use it) on tobaccos.

What I found with fruit and bakery vapes is they were great initally with the additives, for about two days. Then on day 3 like clockwork the sharpness/crispness of the flavor was just... plain... gone. It never rebounded either. It just continued decline. So I started testing the same juices with lemon juice and sucralose separately. Trying to find the culprit. The result in my tests was that they BOTH decrease flavor output of ejuice. While they help initally boost and sweeten flavor, within a few days, they both cause ejuice to simply go flat. While its a more dramatic example, I feel the same way about ejuice with lemon or sucralose as I do about flat soda pop. Its just lackluster.

This occured in both high VG bases at 80% and high PG bases at 80%. I tested both because I didnt want people calling me out saying VG mutes flavor, which to this day I refute as utter nonsense.

I no longer use either in any of my mixing. I have found that using fruit flavors with alcohol bases provide more than enuff sweetening o. their own if they are steeped for 48-72 hours, and it helps that I use 80%VG in my juice.

As far as tobaccos go I also agree vinegar that after a few days it can flatten flavors over time. However!!! As I vape mostly tobacco ejuices I still add 1 drop/5ml of distilled white vinegar to my vapes. To counter the flattening I adjust by adding slightly more flavoring. About .5% to 1% more flavoring in a final mix. In my experience this counters the effect of flavor flattening with DV and allows mostly all tobacco vapes to round out immediately. (note: i also heat steep my juices at a constant 150° in a water bath in a crock pot for four hours after mixing and have found it it adds about 2 weeks to the aging process of ejuice). At the 2 weeks mark (in my case then this is 4 hours after mixing), all of your tobacco flavors will have a spike in flavor and will stay there, but only round more given time. Giving you a spiked up flavor but still rounded body to your vape. I found apple cider vinegar made bad and good juuces worse with no spike at all, but to be fair I barely ever tested acv.

All of my vapes... yes read that as ALL... are primed and full bodied in four hours. Period. Ultrasonic isnt the answer either. Hand shaking is enuff for juice. Heat allows flavor dissipation and release FAR FAR better.

Alot of what I do flys in the face of common and well "documented" processes others use like ultrasonic steeping tho. (if it works for ya, great. I know what I know and heat is the key, not vibration. And yeah, I tested that too about three months ago so I stand behind it).

People just pretty much ignored my testing. I took painstaking measures to control the samples and.prove to myself the results. Today when people say they use lemon juice, or sucralose and RAVE about the results.... I know they are NOT vaping stellar juice. They are absolutely, positively, better off without both. Unless they are going to vape what they make in under two days.

Note: I did not bother testing the effects of citric acid powder in juice, but I assume it has the same effect as lemon juice and mutes flavors.

 

[we2rcool]

Make sure you're not using any of the additives that diminish flavor and/or cause "flavor fade"...EM/cotton candy; vinegars; lemon juice, sucralose/sweetener/ez-sweets.

from here, Post #413: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268760-diy-master-techniques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-11.html

Btw, not only does EM/cotton candy diminish flavor in mixes, but many times it causes taste-buds to be dulled for several hours.

 

[wllmc]

pretty good read here this guy pops around now and then http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-aka-general-diy-guide-flavoring-ratios.html

 

[wllmc]

my favorite part is the last part about steeping. ha . everytime I speed steep I think hoosier would not approve of this lol.

 

[smitty727]

I have a similar problem. Maybe my taste buds are burned out but flavors seem to fade after vaping them for a few hours. The very same juice that was very flavorful when first added to my RDA gets kinda blah after a few hours. For that reason I always have a rotation of several different juices. That seems to help some. My nature is that no matter how good something is I tend to get accustomed to it after a while and it becomes just normal. Then I'm off looking for something better. Also I rebuild coils regularly, at least daily and sometimes more often. I use silica wick, kanthal wire and a simple RDA so it only costs pennies and a couple of minutes to rebuild a coil. I'm retired and have plenty of time so rebuilding the coil isn't a problem like it would be if I were working.

Hi everyone I made a couple bottles of juice it was really good after 3 days of steep but now after 2 weeks they lost flavor do add more flavor or is there an additive ?

 

[Djboi808]

Wow thanks guys i think its the em I'll try a batch with out the em and see what happens


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[Huckleberried]

I'm too new to this to have any batches that have been around more than 10 days or so. When I read about flavor fade.... does this ONLY happen to mixes that contain these types of additives? I made a recipe that called for EM in a low percent. Is that a guarantee that one will bite the dust, or is it more prone to mixes with higher percentages of additives? I hope that made sense.