Flavor seem to be a bit muted on AGA-T+

[Ejuice4cig]

Hello all,
After 2 weeks of poking around and watch tons of videos, I have finally put my aga-t+ into working order. No hot legs, all coils are good to go, wick is great as long as I leave the fill screw out, tons of vape, no metallic taste. However, the flavor is just so so, it is not as good as cartos or my killer 705. What am I doing wrong here? From what I gather here, once the genesis work, it suppose to be 10 times better then the cartos. Can someone shed some light into this for me? It seem like my aga-t+ is in working order, but the taste is just not up to what I read in this forum.

Thanks in advance for all your advices

 

[Nanooks]

What is your setup? Wick material, number of coil wraps, kanthal size, ohms? Also what juice are you using and glass or plastic tank? And what is your power source?

 

[jinxt]

I've run into this issue a few times.

1) did you wash the mesh in hot water with dish soap before rolling? Machine oil on the mesh leftover from manufacturing can mute flavor and inhibit the wicking properties of the mesh. Boiling and torching can help but the best way I've found to prep my mesh is good old Dawn and hot water.

2) did you spent a lot of time rolling the wick? Finger oils mute flavor for some and taste like gym socks for others.

3) did you torch the living daylights out of your mesh during oxidation? Over oxidized mesh can impact flavor.

4) make sure every mm of your coil is in direct contact with the mesh. Even a little gap can impact performance.

Sent from my phone.

 

[Ejuice4cig]

Hello Jinxt

I did most of what you described here.

1) did you wash the mesh in hot water with dish soap before rolling? Machine oil on the mesh leftover from manufacturing can mute flavor and inhibit the wicking properties of the mesh. Boiling and torching can help but the best way I've found to prep my mesh is good old Dawn and hot water. I did use dish detergent and warm water to wash the mesh before I torch it

2) did you spent a lot of time rolling the wick? Finger oils mute flavor for some and taste like gym socks for others. Mine didn't taste like gym socks, it taste like how it should taste, but a lot less flavor.

3) did you torch the living daylights out of your mesh during oxidation? Over oxidized mesh can impact flavor.May be this is the reason, due to I afraid of short, I torched the living cr*p out of the mesh, then roll, then torch, then like 5 times juice burn. How should I do it different? How do I know when is enough torching?

4) make sure every mm of your coil is in direct contact with the mesh. Even a little gap can impact performance. Yes, all my coil has direct contact with the wick.

I am using 400 mesh, with 30 guage of A1 Kanthal, running 1.6 ohm. The resistant is the same when wick is in or when wick is out, no hot legs, about 4/5 wrap I believe. Below is the process that I do
1) Washed mesh with dis detergent and warm water
2) Torch it 4 times
3) Roll into wick
4) Torch wick 3 times, without dipping into water
5) Juice burn 5 times
6) Install, wrap coil, and vape.

 

[Nanooks]

What mod are you using and @ what volt / watts? What juice you using?

From what you have said so far yea it seems like you are over torching your wick. If you are going to do a full oxidize either torch before you roll, or after. Just torching then waiting for it to cool and torching again beyond 2x is not needed. One torch is enough. Water quenching increases the strength of the wick. Burning juice on the wick helps build an oxidize layer and increase wicking, but not needed more than 3x. Burning juice is most effective if you have your paperclip just barely on the wick and swap ends. Your best oxidation is going to be after you roll your coils and dry burn, while the wick is hot drop juice on the coils and dry burn.

Taste may be the juice itself, or low power. 7 watt on a carto and 7 watts on a genny isn't equil. You need to almost double the power for a ss mesh wick to get good flavor.

 

[Thyroid]

If everything works as it should, and the taste is just right but just muted... I would say, yeah - that's AGA. It has quite big airchamber, which requires quite low ohms (high watts) with mechanical mod to bring up more intense taste.

 

[Ejuice4cig]

What mod are you using and @ what volt / watts? What juice you using?

From what you have said so far yea it seems like you are over torching your wick. If you are going to do a full oxidize either torch before you roll, or after. Just torching then waiting for it to cool and torching again beyond 2x is not needed. One torch is enough. Water quenching increases the strength of the wick. Burning juice on the wick helps build an oxidize layer and increase wicking, but not needed more than 3x. Burning juice is most effective if you have your paperclip just barely on the wick and swap ends. Your best oxidation is going to be after you roll your coils and dry burn, while the wick is hot drop juice on the coils and dry burn.

Taste may be the juice itself, or low power. 7 watt on a carto and 7 watts on a genny isn't equil. You need to almost double the power for a ss mesh wick to get good flavor.

Hi Nanooks,

I am using Provari mini, runing 1.6 ohm with 4.1V, so it's like 10.5Watts. It's the same juice for if I run on my 2 ohm (1.8-1.9) with 3.6V to 3.8V, I have a lot more flavor (less vape though.) Also, one thing I see is that I need to take long vape. For the first second, my vape seem to be a bit cool, then it warm up after.

 

[beanpusher]

Hi Nanooks,

I am using Provari mini, runing 1.6 ohm with 4.1V, so it's like 10.5Watts. It's the same juice for if I run on my 2 ohm (1.8-1.9) with 3.6V to 3.8V, I have a lot more flavor (less vape though.) Also, one thing I see is that I need to take long vape. For the first second, my vape seem to be a bit cool, then it warm up after.

i have bored out my airhole to 5/64, and that helped with ratio or airflow to heat on the coils. in my experience genny's perform best at lower resistance and bigger airhole. also try the unoxidized method. pbusardo has a good upload on youtube. when i tried that method i never went back. but if the provari is ur only device you won't be able to do it. only on mechanicals...

 

[vapdivrr]

it may be taking more time to get to temp because of the lower watts. not saying that increasing the wattage will increase the flavor but maybe give it a try. try to increase to 13 to 14 watts. the only thing i can see that maybe affecting the flavor is the over oxidation. to much may be the culprit. someone mentioned to increase the airhole, usually this will increase vapor, but decreases the flavor.

 

[vapdivrr]

one thing you can do if you have a v-2 provari is to lower the resistance a little bit more. with the 30g, try a resistance of about 1.2Ω, again this may not be the flavor issue, but it is worth a try. i have always felt like the lower the voltage the better the flavor, with a resistance of 1.2 you would be able to decrease the voltage. but at the same time you would be lowering the coil coverage so it maybe a wash.

 

[Ejuice4cig]

one thing you can do if you have a v-2 provari is to lower the resistance a little bit more. with the 30g, try a resistance of about 1.2Ω, again this may not be the flavor issue, but it is worth a try. i have always felt like the lower the voltage the better the flavor, with a resistance of 1.2 you would be able to decrease the voltage. but at the same time you would be lowering the coil coverage so it maybe a wash.

Thanks Vapdivrr,

I'll try another wick with less oxidation, if not work, i will go with lower resistance.

 

[Nanooks]

Hi Nanooks,

I am using Provari mini, runing 1.6 ohm with 4.1V, so it's like 10.5Watts. It's the same juice for if I run on my 2 ohm (1.8-1.9) with 3.6V to 3.8V, I have a lot more flavor (less vape though.) Also, one thing I see is that I need to take long vape. For the first second, my vape seem to be a bit cool, then it warm up after.

Less oxidation, try 3/4 wrap. Look up the cigarette paper wrap. With no mech mod the pulse method wont work, but you may try the half oxidize method (oxidize where the coils set and where the wick contacts the wick hole leaving rest unoxidized). Kick up the watts to 15. Use a drip tip with a large center hole. If you have thick juice add like .1ml water to the tank.

That being said, I have a couple juices that taste great in a carto tank, but tastes worse in a genesis. I have a blue raspberry that as soon as it hits the ss tank it totally changes the flavor. If you have the AGA-T with the plastic tank and not glass its a cheap plastic that bleeds plastic taste into the juice. Hope that helps.

Also look into a cheap mech mod ($40 for ss Smok Telescope) It works so much better on any Genesis.

 

[vapdivrr]

dont know if you own a newer type aga, but i have the first model aga-t and it is a great genny, it is the best inexpensive genny ever made, imo, i have a real did and an ac-9 and the original aga produces a flavor that is equal to my hi-end gennys. i did however buy a glass tank for it some time ago and not sure on how much difference it has made, i seemed to have forgotten the taste when i had the plastic tank on it. now the newer aga's arent even in the same ball park as the original ones, so this can be some of the problem, but being that i dont own one of the new ones i cant say for sure. for the most part i believe its mostly in the set-up. if you ever get tired of ss mesh wicks come over to ceramic, no oxidizing and the flavor is exceptional, although it also has its quirks. nothing is the end all, but ceramic is the closest i have found to date