Flavour percentages in DIY liquids, mostly Flavourart's

[Jorge22]

This is something that interest me... I've been doing my liquids, I like them, and I always follow the manufacturer's/seller's instructions. For example, for Flavourart's flavours that everybody says are highly concentrated... They tell you to add only 3% to your mixes. But yesterday I was speaking with a friend who also sells devices and DIY liquids from Flavourart's flavours and he said something like this: "Well, you know, that's only good enough to cover the VG/PG flavour but it's too little. They tell you to add only that because they want to give the impression that it's all very cheap". I mixed a Flue Cured from Paradise vape UK at 8% and it was just fine. He said something near that to 10% in Flavouyrart's flavours would be fine. What do you really think of this?

 

[Kimerpuff]

Taste is subjective For the tobacco line, I would say start at 1% and work your way up to find whats right for you. Its much easier to work your way up then the opposite.

Happy Mixing!

 

[earthpig]

Always remember that flavorings are the unknown health factor in fluids. That and cartomizer or fluid burn/scorch issues. Don't go too far overboard.
That said, they are still exponentially safer than the alternative.

 

[Hoosier]

Huh, if it was working for you, why change?

I tend to much greater percentages than FA says, but that is what works for me and I don't intend to change.

 

[Jorge22]

Why change... Because DIY is about experimenting; I mean, I wouldn't go too far, too fast, of course. It made me think maybe I could be missing something better despite the fact that it's working well for me (and this particular guy's liquids are widely appreciated by many).

EDIT: 1% is like adding nothing really. I know they say FA's flavours are far more concentrated than anybody else's (if they are indeed and it's not a shop-sold myth) but still, even they themselves sometimes speak of 2%, I can't recall any 1% case.

 

[executivul]

Hi I'm new to the DIY liquids, I've started a few weeks ago, and use HG bases with PA flavours. Anyway I've read some outrageous nubers, like 15% flavour. I tend to use a drop of flavour in 2 ml base, that is 2.5%.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I use a total percentage of 20-25% flavor in my juices. It just depends on what I'm mixing up and how much VG I use.

 

[gingersnaps]

most flavors I use 2-3% and have never had to go over 5% I use 100% vg. pa is the only other one I use and I stick around 5-10% on them. everyone else seems to add a bunch of unnecessary junk that causes bad aftertaste. but thats just me even as a smoker I had a very sensitive palate

 

[MaxUT]

I lost my palate during Vietnam...

One recent mix I made had 49% flavor. Only in America!

 

[salemgold]

Always remember that flavorings are the unknown health factor in fluids. That and cartomizer or fluid burn/scorch issues. Don't go too far overboard.
That said, they are still exponentially safer than the alternative.

If I could double "like" your post I would. I feel exactly the same way. In this case less is better IMO.

 

[zoiDman]

I like my e-Liquids on the strong side. I usualy start at 10% with FlavorArt and then add more as needed. Most of my mixes end up somewhere between 15 and 20%. It depends on the Flavor.

For me. It is much easier to add Flavoring than it is to dilute it. My advise is to start low an add 2% at a time.

What every you do, Keep Accurate Records.

 

[Jorge22]

Well, I added a little to my last Tuscan Reserve from FA's which is currently still steeping (but never for long, because I tend to use it daily; so, overnight usually does it - and I think it does it for most flavours, still I leave them for longer, like a week, everytime I can, just in case). So, what I did was add 5% (which isn't any kind of exaggeration!) instead of the recommended 3%, plus a bit of Tobacco Absolute (as I usually do), say, more or less 2% since the recommended 1%, quite frankly, tastes almost "invisible" to me. In a while I'll check the result (keeping my fingers crossed).

 

[Jorge22]

The result is rather similar to what I already did. No huge difference. Perhaps a little more TH, perhaps a little more flavour, but it's hard to tell since I tried it in an LR carto.

 

[RobertY]

I use Lorann's candy flavoring for my DIY. I use a flavorless 48mg nicotine and cut it with a 70%PG- 30%VG mixture. The amount of flavor that I add is between 20 and 30% depending on how strong the flavor is.

Is Flavor Art more concentrated and stronger than Lorann's? There is no way I would be able to taste a thing at anything below 10%.

 

[Wil]

I've had to go much higher with LorAnn's than with FlavourArt or Perfumer's Apprentice... 20% doesn't surprise me with LorAnn's, and anything over 5% of the others is too much.

I didn't know that when I tried my first FA, and the first time I mixed a 10% blend of a tobacco flavor, it tasted like detergent. I THOUGHT I was being conservative... Didn't realize how different they were at first...

The moral of the story is, percentages are meaningless unless you're talking about the same flavor from the same manufacturer...

 

[zoiDman]

...
The moral of the story is, percentages are meaningless unless you're talking about the same flavor from the same manufacturer...

This is Very true.

It is also why when you see a recipe that someone posts and doesn't say what brand of flavoring their using, well, there not telling you much if anything.

As a General rule. I would put LorAnn's and the bottom of the strenght scale. And I would put FlavorArt at the top.

But as with all things DIY, a person is going to have to do some experimenting.

#1 Success Tip: Keep Detailed and Accurate Records of what is in your Mix.
#2 Success Tip: Let any mixture sit for 72 hours minimum before you try it.

 

[Wil]

#2 Success Tip: Let any mixture sit for 72 hours minimum before you try it.

Who has the patience!??!? When I get a new flavor in, I'm ready to dig right in! Though, it definitely does age well...

In regard to this tip, my limited experience has taught that, when mixing with new flavors, to mix in straight PG, as it does not tend to benefit nearly as much as VG from steeping. I mix small doses (a couple mLs of PG), and keep good records, then bump it with nic and VG to get it to my preference, adding enough flavoring to keep it at the same percentage...

Well, gotta run... Just got some bizarre flavors from Perfumer's Apprentice... I'm off to try my Bacon, Pizza, Waffle, Dill Pickle, and Jalepeno flavors!

 

[zoiDman]

Who has the patience!??!? When I get a new flavor in, I'm ready to dig right in! Though, it definitely does age well...
...

It is Hard sometimes Not to try a New Mix right after you make it.

If you have PA Pizza flavoring, you might check out a review I did for it about a week after it first came out.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquids/97244-pizza-flavored-e-juice.html

Feel free to bump it if you like the thread.

 

[Wil]

I'll do that... been playing with bacon (So STRONG) and waffle tonight... Hope to get to Pizza and Jalepeno tomorrow (maybe together?)

 

[markdpman]

I'll do that... been playing with bacon (So STRONG) and waffle tonight... Hope to get to Pizza and Jalepeno tomorrow (maybe together?)

Go easy on the jalepeno, it is strong. I gives a lung hit as well as a throat hit. And, yes the pizza is really good . Try mixing them both togethter for a spicy peperoni flavor.