Florida Department of Health surveys middle and high school students on e-cigarette usage

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http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/epi/Chronic_disease/FYTS/2011_FYTS/FS4-SpecialtyTobacco.pdf

Results of 2011 Florida Department of Health survey of 6,163 middle and high school students on tobacco usage show:

Snus is a small pouch containing a smoke-free and spit-free form of tobacco.
In 2011, 1.8% of middle school students and 6.3% of high school students had ever tried snus and 1.3% of middle school students and 3.3% of high school students had used snus on one or more occasions during the past 30 days (current snus use).

An electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) is a battery-operated device that looks, feels and tastes like a tobacco cigarette.
In 2011, 3.0% of middle school students and 6.0% of high school students had ever tried e-cigarettes and 1.5% of middle school students and 3.1% of high school students had used e-cigarettes on one or more occasions during the past 30 days (current e-cigarette use).

For some reason, the Florida Department of Health is still surveying youth about "flavored cigarettes" despite most flavorings being banned under the Tobacco Control Act. They have separate questions for flavored cigars and cloves. I can only imagine that those taking the survey were not told what "flavored cigarettes" meant, and those answering 'yes' were actually admitting to menthol use.
 

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That is strange! The FDA announced a ban on the use of flavorings in cigarettes in September of 2009. So where did these thousands of middle school students and high school students find chocolate, candy, or fruit-flavored cigarettes to experiment with in 2011?

Where are the statistics on the percent of middle school and high school students that used regular tobacco cigarettes in 2011?

Here is a link to the questionnaire: http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/epi/Chronic_Disease/FYTS/2011_FYTS_Questionnaire.pdf
 

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That is strange! The FDA announced a ban on the use of flavorings in cigarettes in September of 2009. So where did these thousands of middle school students and high school students find chocolate, candy, or fruit-flavored cigarettes to experiment with in 2011?

Where are the statistics on the percent of middle school and high school students that used regular tobacco cigarettes in 2011?

Here is a link to the questionnaire: http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/epi/Chronic_Disease/FYTS/2011_FYTS_Questionnaire.pdf


well maybe they could know somebody who imports the flavored cigarettes? there's no law against importing them for personal consumption, you just can't sell them. granted that's a royal pain to do but still, it could happen.
 

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Call me a pessimist, but I distrust their findings. Do you really believe that 5.7% of all FL middle school students and 12.6% of high school students tried flavored cigarettes during 2011 by going to the trouble of importing them?

According to our good friends at CFTK, a June 2007 study showed that 11% of youth smokers (age 13-18) had tried flavored cigarettes. The report did not specify that all these tries occurred during 2007, so that 11% might represent all those who had ever tried them in the past. I'm fairly sure that in some neighborhoods, any kid seen smoking a flavored cigarette would be called a "wuss" or worse.

It just seems strange to me that, well over a year after the ban, there would be an increase in the use of a difficult-to-obtain product.

A 2005 report from the Harvard School of Public Health was headlined, Research Finds Cigarette Manufacturers Target Youth Market With Candy Flavored Cigarette Brands:

Carrie Carpenter, lead author of the study and a research analyst at HSPH stated, "Flavored cigarettes can promote youth smoking initiation and help young occasional smokers to become daily smokers by reducing or masking the natural harshness and taste of tobacco smoke and increasing the acceptability of a toxic product."
Research Finds Cigarette Manufacturers Target Youth Market With Candy Flavored Cigarette Brands

As proof that tobacco companies were promoting youth smoking initiation, the following was quoted from internal tobacco company communications:

A 1993 internal document stated, "Growing interest in new flavor sensations (i.e. soft drinks, snack foods) among younger adult consumers may indicate new opportunities for enhanced-flavor tobacco products that could leverage [a brand's] current strength among younger adult smokers."

Notice how a target market of "younger adult smokers" magically turned into a target market of "children with no smoking experience" when HSPH got their hands on it.
 

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well maybe they could know somebody who imports the flavored cigarettes? there's no law against importing them for personal consumption, you just can't sell them. granted that's a royal pain to do but still, it could happen.

Hey, the guy pushing the other "goodies" that are illegal doesn't mind providing flavored cigarettes, he's just looking forward to when there's a total ban- let the good times roll!
 

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It just seems strange to me that, well over a year after the ban, there would be an increase in the use of a difficult-to-obtain product.
Based off of the stats from these reports alone, a good argument could be made that, just like with flavored cigarettes, ecig usage among children would also increase if the products were forced underground. And anyone who denies such a connection would in essence be calling one of the two groups a liar. Guess which group?
 

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If we had a correspondent who actually took part in one of these surveys, it is quite likely that some interesting facts would turn up. It is impossible to see from the results, the many ways in which these surveys can be perverted to produce erroneous end statistics.

As an example: in 2009 the MHRA (the UK's FDA equivalent) carried out market research in order to determine people's attitude to e-cigarettes in the UK. This research consisted of a questionnaire completed by people in a number of focus groups. They presented the results as an overwhelming request by the public for e-cigarettes to be regulated by the MHRA.

Unfortunately for them, one of the participants in the market research (unknown to the MHRA) was a member of ECITA, the UK e-cigarette trade association. They subsequently exposed the research as containing lies and fabrication, with the result that it was never used by the MHRA in the end. A waste of a large amount of taxpayers's money, no doubt.

One of the questions was, "E-cigarettes are uncontrolled or tested in the UK at present - do you think that they should be tested and regulated, for safety reasons?" (paraphrased as I was not present). The result, obviously (since there had been the usual implications that e-cigarettes contained unknown materials) was a resounding "Yes".

What the focus group members were not told was that e-cigarettes are already tested and controlled in the UK (by the Trading Standards authorities). Samples are in fact taken away, inspected and analysed. So when the subjects were told that they are uncontrolled, it was an outright lie; and when they replied that, yes, e-cigarettes needed to be regulated (by the MHRA), that reply was to a question that was based on a deliberate lie, in order to manipulate the results.

In fact, the UK is the only place in the world where e-cigarettes are controlled and tested, and the system works very well indeed: it is supported by the consumers, the trade and city/local authorities. This fact was not only conveniently ignored by the market researchers, it was cunningly concealed by an outright lie and a successful attempt to manipulate the results. If a trade representative had not been present, the deliberate perverting of the results would never have been discovered.

So: in order to interpret the results, you need to know exactly what was asked and how it was asked. Otherwise, the end results are meaningless, since as we have seen these groups are prepared to use outright lies to pervert the results and get the answers they want.
 

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After I read Rolygate's comment, I was thinking: It used to be considered good research methodology (and transparency) to actually publish the instruments used. (Such as surveys)

So I looked around the website, and low and behold, there they are:

Florida Youth Tobacco Survey (FYTS) Questionnaires

Haven't read'em yet- if you get time, let us know how they are...

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Tasty Puff Tobacco Flavoring.
Just can't sell it on the tobacco. Well we all know what this really marketed for. I've actually used it in DIY, the two or three I've tried inspired me not to run out of good flavors.

But they wrote that cute tasty puff song, right out of the 50's.
 

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The likely reason why lots of Florida youth indicated usage of a flavored cigarette is because they smoke menthol cigarettes, and menthol is a flavoring (but the FSPTCA exempted menthol when it banned dozens of cigarette flavorings that weren't even on the market in 2009 when the FSPTCA was enacted).
 

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After telling youth that flavored smokeless tobacco are "candy"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...armongering-about-candy-flavored-tobacco.html
Florida Health Departments are now upset that youth smokers are reducing disease risks by switching to far less hazardous smokeless tobacco products, repeat exaggerated health risks of products.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-miami-teens-high-school-study_n_1307284.html
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Miami-Dade.pdf

Interestingly, this most recent news story cites data from 2010 survey, but didn't cite data from their 2011 survey.
 
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