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I've worked with a few nutritionists, and read a lot of books on the subject, but personally, I think everybody has a different chemistry, metabolism, etc. and needs to eat for how they "feel" best. Some bodies can handle more carbs etc. than others.
I believe the reason everyone is so out of shape NOW is because my grandparents "cooked from scratch."
They didn't have prepared foods in boxes, bags, etc. loaded with sugar and empty calories.
I cook from scratch, every day, and my BMI and weight is pretty close to perfect. I don't have high blood pressure, and no longer have high cholesterol. If it comes in a bag, or a box, or it's frozen or processed, I don't eat it. (There are other problems like our wheat isn't the same wheat it was 30 years ago......so moderation.)
I have protein with every meal. Then greens and a starch and some fat of course. Snacks are healthy like an avocado, a fruit, nuts, seeds, etc.
I don't know anyone in my age group who can eat cake, donuts, etc. and not have a tire around their middle, etc. I have friends who eat 3,000+ calories a day and don't exercize, then wonder why they are overweight.
5 pounds is okay, maybe 10. More than that, then you are doing something wrong. (unless you have a metabolic disorder, like thyroid, etc.)
Wisdom of crowds? I look around and see a lot of overweight people, I look in their grocery carts and see soda and frozen pizza. NO THANKS!
I believe the reason everyone is so out of shape NOW is because my grandparents "cooked from scratch."
They didn't have prepared foods in boxes, bags, etc. loaded with sugar and empty calories.
I cook from scratch, every day, and my BMI and weight is pretty close to perfect. I don't have high blood pressure, and no longer have high cholesterol. If it comes in a bag, or a box, or it's frozen or processed, I don't eat it. (There are other problems like our wheat isn't the same wheat it was 30 years ago......so moderation.)
I have protein with every meal. Then greens and a starch and some fat of course. Snacks are healthy like an avocado, a fruit, nuts, seeds, etc.
I don't know anyone in my age group who can eat cake, donuts, etc. and not have a tire around their middle, etc. I have friends who eat 3,000+ calories a day and don't exercize, then wonder why they are overweight.
5 pounds is okay, maybe 10. More than that, then you are doing something wrong. (unless you have a metabolic disorder, like thyroid, etc.)Wisdom of crowds? I look around and see a lot of overweight people, I look in their grocery carts and see soda and frozen pizza. NO THANKS!
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I have not watched the video yet - am preparing to do so - but I most certainly agree with this statement here:
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A short summary of the movie, below, in my own words.
It is very much worth watching.
AND we will see parallels all the time. Differences between what we know. And what the "experts" try to tell us. Not only with regard to nutrition. But also with regard to vaping
-- by the way: by "carbohydrates" they mean concentrated carbohydrates. Such as bread, potatoes, noodles, rice --
... gosh, I already love the "Vision of the Annointed" - min 10 - where the self-proclaimed "experts" attempt to impose their ideas upon the masses, "for their own good". Now that DOES remind me of something...
... research gets funded only if the result is in line with government "opinions" - min 20
... min 24 it really gets interesting: schools forbidding parents to supply packed lunches to their children - and serving high-carbohydrate lunches (including sugar and processed food) in line with a government directive prescribing a high-carbohydrate diet - picture at 24:42
@Racehorse:
I fully agree with you. Our grandparents definitely did not feed us such trash as healthy food
... min 30 - here come the traditional media that mostly pass down the "advice" from the "annointed"
... following: the internet that enables ordinary people to exchange information which - miraculously? - differs from the prescribed "opinion" of those self-proclaimed "experts" = "The wisdom of crowds strikes back"
... blogs, forums etc where ordinary people (and doctors and researchers) talk about their own experiences and share their knowledge
... min 37 - if a person comes in an posts a question, then within a short time, 20 - 30 people will come in and post the answer, mostly including links to the relevant research
- - - now, what does that remind me of?
... and the traditional media are picking up this exchange of information which goes counter to what they are being fed from above
- min 40 - A so-called "expert" on diabetes recommends that diabetics take 45 - 65 % of daily calorie intake in carbohydrates. (!)
--- now that reminds me very much of public '"health" "experts" warning against e-cigs.
- min 43 - well worth watching for all those who had help and advice in a vapers forum. Or in any forum. In spite of all the "experts'" blathering.
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end of short summary.
I myself am very much aware that concentrated carbohydrates are just about the worst thing that you can base your diet on. And no, I did not learn that from any "official experts"
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A short summary of the movie, below, in my own words.
It is very much worth watching.
AND we will see parallels all the time. Differences between what we know. And what the "experts" try to tell us. Not only with regard to nutrition. But also with regard to vaping
-- by the way: by "carbohydrates" they mean concentrated carbohydrates. Such as bread, potatoes, noodles, rice --
... gosh, I already love the "Vision of the Annointed" - min 10 - where the self-proclaimed "experts" attempt to impose their ideas upon the masses, "for their own good". Now that DOES remind me of something...
... research gets funded only if the result is in line with government "opinions" - min 20
... min 24 it really gets interesting: schools forbidding parents to supply packed lunches to their children - and serving high-carbohydrate lunches (including sugar and processed food) in line with a government directive prescribing a high-carbohydrate diet - picture at 24:42
@Racehorse:
I fully agree with you. Our grandparents definitely did not feed us such trash as healthy food
... min 30 - here come the traditional media that mostly pass down the "advice" from the "annointed"
... following: the internet that enables ordinary people to exchange information which - miraculously? - differs from the prescribed "opinion" of those self-proclaimed "experts" = "The wisdom of crowds strikes back"
... blogs, forums etc where ordinary people (and doctors and researchers) talk about their own experiences and share their knowledge
... min 37 - if a person comes in an posts a question, then within a short time, 20 - 30 people will come in and post the answer, mostly including links to the relevant research
- - - now, what does that remind me of?
... and the traditional media are picking up this exchange of information which goes counter to what they are being fed from above
- min 40 - A so-called "expert" on diabetes recommends that diabetics take 45 - 65 % of daily calorie intake in carbohydrates. (!)
--- now that reminds me very much of public '"health" "experts" warning against e-cigs.
- min 43 - well worth watching for all those who had help and advice in a vapers forum. Or in any forum. In spite of all the "experts'" blathering.
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end of short summary.
I myself am very much aware that concentrated carbohydrates are just about the worst thing that you can base your diet on. And no, I did not learn that from any "official experts"
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I posted the video just as another example of the impact, often long term of bad socio political decisions, and the resolute defiance of academics to have an about face.
@Orb Skewer:
Yes, and very well done.
Those who do not listen to self-proclaimed "experts" will find many parallels in that movie. Many parallels indeed
... and I did edit my "summary" as I was watching the movie.
Empty carbohydrates as the staple of a healthy diet. Yeah, sure. That is just as silly as the oh-so-horrible dangers of inhaling the vapor of 5 substances instead of smoke with over 2000 substances, approx. 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
Yes, and very well done.
Those who do not listen to self-proclaimed "experts" will find many parallels in that movie. Many parallels indeed
... and I did edit my "summary" as I was watching the movie.
Empty carbohydrates as the staple of a healthy diet. Yeah, sure. That is just as silly as the oh-so-horrible dangers of inhaling the vapor of 5 substances instead of smoke with over 2000 substances, approx. 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
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Anjaffm, I think ya'll Europeans eat more cooked from scratch foods for sure.
A good friend of mine moved here from Holland. She gained 50 pounds the first year she lived in the USA!
Both my grandparents are Czech---- we have always eaten good (homemade) pumpernickel breads back when Nana was alive, with no problems. We did not get fat that way.
Then I started eating store bought bread w/preservatives, enzymes, and emulsifiers and had bloating and reflux disease.
I love Droste's cocoa.
Nothing we have here compares.Big Agri is just as bad as BT, BP, etc. IMHO. The marketing of processed foods is unreal here
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Yes, I think we do.
Yum! Homemade dark bread!
And yes, in my country, Germany, we eat mainly bread made of a combination of wheat and rye. That is much darker than American white bread, and it has a completely different consistency.
I was taught from an early age that white bread can be eaten once in a while, as a snack / a treat but never every day, and especially not as a staple of one's diet. As it consists only of empty carbohydrates = empty calories.
- and I was shocked to see those "dietary recommendations" in that video.
OMG, poor lady!
I lived in the States for 2 years in the early 1980s, as a young woman, and I must say that I did "round out" a little during this time. Although I hardly ate anything at all in those days. Wanting to be slim, you know
And I could never get myself to eat American white bread. No offense intended. None at all. But to a European palate, it is not tasty and it has no bite. But the food that you mentioned sounds delicious!
Great video - well worth the time to watch. It's why Dr. Atkins was right I have and have read "The Vision of the Anointed" by Thomas Sowell. ...and a few other of his books. Smart guy. "Wisdom of crowds" is just straight Adam Smith. The lot of overweight people is the result of the Vision of the Anointed, not the Wisdom of Crowds concept.
I have and have read "The Vision of the Anointed" by Thomas Sowell. ...and a few other of his books. Smart guy. "Wisdom of crowds" is just straight Adam Smith. The lot of overweight people is the result of the Vision of the Anointed, not the Wisdom of Crowds concept.
re: that segment - also the 'lost comments' or comments shut down after so much criticism is something we've all ran into on bad ecig info.
re: that segment - also the 'lost comments' or comments shut down after so much criticism is something we've all ran into on bad ecig info.
yup, we sure did.
I think I should buy the book "The vision of the annointed" - we have enough of that crap going on all the time.
Oh, and if I believed in junk science, I would be taking stuff to lower my cholesterol level.
As high blood cholesterol increases one's relative chance of getting a heart attack by 50%.
Which translates into a 2% increase in the absolute chance of getting a heart attack (!)
My suspicion of unnecessary "lifestyle" medication and my refusal to put drugs into my body just to lower some stats may well have saved my life - Bayer faces shake up after Lipobay withdrawn | BMJ
And that was before I read Dr Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Science" which clearly explains this scam.
- In case somebody is interested in the math underlying the cholesterol scare:
100 men aged 50. Statistics say:
With normal cholesterol levels, 4 may get a heart attack.
With high cholesterol levels, 6 may get a heart attack.
6 minus 4 = 2
- High cholesterol increases your absolute chance of getting a heart attack by 2% (2 of 100)
BUT
2 is 50% of 4
Thus, high cholesterol increases your relative chance of getting a heart attack by 50%. (4 + 2 = 6, and 2 is 50% of 4)
I call BS
And I will take that - 2% absolute - chance.
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That was brilliant Orb! Thanks for posting this. It fits right in with their fat tax plan & big phar pill regime don't it.
Funny, but I recently watched this video Calcium Deficiency Symptoms - YouTube. About calcium & he points to meat therapy too. I love it when worlds connect.
Funny, but I recently watched this video Calcium Deficiency Symptoms - YouTube. About calcium & he points to meat therapy too. I love it when worlds connect.
Been a fan of Tom Naughton since watching Fat Head a couple of years ago. Another video of his "Science for Smart People" may be even more interesting to our community. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1RXvBveht0
Thank you for the link.
- watching right now
And Bwaaahaaahaaaa
- yes, that artery-clogging banana that stays solid at room temperature (min 3) definitely does scare me - nice one, by the way: that Dr. Oz has been known to say a lot of silly crap about vaping too
Being from Europe, I did not know much about that so-called "doctor" who - so I learned - gives out "wisdom" on US TV.
But now I know what to think of him:
"saturated fat is solid at room temperature, so it will be solid in your arteries and clog them up. "
duh ....................
a little summary, while I am watching the video:
... approx min 8 : the scientific method: observational study AND clinical study
..... observational studies - can lead to wrong results (see min 11) - correlation does not mean A is causing B
... min 13: example of wrong conclusions, often due to preconceived notions (what people want to find)
"X doubles your risk of Y" , "X may raise your risk of Y"
"the studies showed a significant increase of new onset diabetes with regular egg consumption"
... min 17: by the same "logic", quitting school raises your risk of becoming pregnant
.... correlation does not prove causation
... min 17:30: clinical studies - get control groups with the same variables and change one variable
... approx min 18: taking estrogen does not lower a woman's risk of heart disease, the observational study was wrong, and the confounding variable was "health consciousness"
- - OHA! I remember all that blather about "estrogen preventing heart disease"
... min 20: journalists write their stories based on the "conclusions" of the observational studies. Without reading the studies themselves
.... Google Scholar - will find the abstract and often a link to the full text of the study
... min 22ff : many scientists are liars
"80 percent of the conclusions drawn from non-randomized (observational) studies turn out to be wrong
... min 25: does A cause B?
does running make people thinner?
Marathon runners tend to be skinny. But guys playing basketball are pretty tall.
Does playing basketball make you tall?
..min 27: is A linked to B consistently?
"Saturated fat linked to heart disease" - except for the people in a lot of countries
... min 28: "power lines are linked to higher cancer rates" - and many journalists did not wish to understand that there was a confounding variable
... min 30: clinical studies - who were the subjects?
(.. of mice and men ).. min 30 ff: what was the difference? Absolute change (subtraction) and relative change (division)
--- also see the cholesterol scare that I mentioned in one of my own previous postings
... min 31: here it comes: lipitor trials - cholesterol - here the absolute and relative change are explained well
--- - this is well worth watching. As this is precisely how junk science "works".
.. min 33ff: "significant" results - is not what the general population understands the word to mean - good example min 34
... min 35ff: did the researchers control the variables?
... "red meat" alone does not coincide with higher incidence of colon cancer. Processed meat - generally consumed with white flour (hot dogs, pizza) does. The study lumped pure red meat together with processed meats.
... min 36: compared to what?
---- this may be especially interesting for people who vape instead of smoking tobacco
.. min 36ff: do the results support the conclusions?
----- yoohoooo Mr Glantz, how was that with trying e-cigs allegedly leading young people to "lifelong addiction to tobacco smoke"?
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great video!
Yes, it pays to use one's own brain instead of blindly following the so-called "experts"
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HAHAHAHAHA!
well worth watching - only 2 minutes long:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3rEvZY9nI&list=PL1F21EC227A640CC5
Yes, tax increases and regulations - to "protect consumers"
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Thomas Sowell is an excellent writer and has more common sense and intelligence than the vast majority of Op-Ed columnist. Another excellent writer to check out, especially his new book is: Charles Krauthammer: Things That Matter.
I know, dear.
But Dr. Oz obviously does not know that
@wv2win:
thank you for the advice
Time for me to buy another book.
I know, dear.
But Dr. Oz obviously does not know that
So what I heard is true "Dr. Oz doesn't know he's alive"
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