Foreshadowing of vaping?

[pennysmalls]

I came across this article last night as I was researching nicotine, I'm tired of hearing about how highly addictive nicotine is. My reaction to that is so what? Nicotine doesn't cause inebriation or cause people to get high or go out robbing stores or prostituting oneself to get money to get more nicotine, so so what? Anyway, during my reading last night I came across this and thought it was really cool and the last paragraph had me smiling from ear to ear.

Metanews: could nicotine be beneficial?

I can't tell how old the article is but it looks like it may be old because of references to events in 1995 and 1997. I wasn't aware that the beneficial aspects of nicotine had been being looked at for this long. That last paragraph though, so cool! I just gotta quote it:

"Yet nicotine need not forever play the villain, both Role and McGehee say. Pharmaceutical companies could reap fortunes, they argue, by developing a safe drug delivery system. "A company that develops a nicotine delivery system as effective as cigarettes--without the detrimental effects--would do very well. Few known drugs enhance cognitive performance," Role says. "I think that society could accept nicotine eventually." --Steven Benowitz

And it was done with out the pharmaceutical companies, thank god!

 

[Niten13]

Bookmarked for reading
Thanks!

 

[Avataris]

In terms of vaping, I've never understood the argument on the harms of nicotine. I suppose in a perfect world, it is best not to introduce any added stimulants or depressants to the human body, but I look at nicotine in the same terms as caffeine. By itself in moderation doesn't present a mortal danger.

Just my

 

[pennysmalls]

Avataris I agree. To hear these state senators and attorneys' general though you'd think nicotine is a hardcore substance. Yes, it has addictive potential but it's affects are fluffy bunny compared to actual hard core fry your brain substances.

 

[RosaJ]

That is why the Big Pharma companies have a lot more to lose than Bit tobacco. They have already spent lots of dollars in research and development and they see the writing on the wall, they're not going to recuperate those dollars if ecigs are allowed to exist.

 

[pennysmalls]

Pharma could have had it all, that's for sure. They really missed this gravy train and now it's to late for them.

 

[RCHagy74]

Heh... always about the drugs. Did a not quite so quick search and had to settle on the US -

tobacco 2010: about 35.1 billion dollars -
http://www.worldlungfoundation
.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858

Coffee 2012: 30 to 32 billion dollars -
http://www.scaaevent.org/PDF/Press Kit/
2012/Facts%20and%20Figures.pdf

That is just coffee - not caffeine nor the sugar which many add to caffeinated beverages. I have said many times that caffeine and sugar are the most common and legal drug combo out there. Guess perception is everything.


RC Hagy

 

[RCHagy74]

Blasted double post...

 

[DC2]

I came across this article last night as I was researching nicotine, I'm tired of hearing about how highly addictive nicotine is. My reaction to that is so what?!

My reaction is that when used in isolation, nicotine is NOT really all that addictive for the most part.
More and more studies are showing this, as are the collective experiences of many people on this forum through the years.

But other than that, yeah, I totally agree with you.
I continue to use nicotine, not because I am addicted to it, but for the benefits.

My only problem is that since I'm not addicted to nicotine, I have to remind myself to use it.

 

[skoony]

the intake of nicotine via vaping does not meet the legal and medical
definition of addiction:habit that causes harm to one self and or to others.
i don.t care if it caused 50% dependency in tobacco users instead of 30%.
no one has ever died of nicotine withdrawal(barring any per-existing condition)
that i know of.
current scientific study seems to indicate nicotine to be non-addictive to
lifetime non tobacco users.
The Great Nicotine Myth

regards
mike

 

[sofarsogood]

This article might sum up the medical consensus and it's published a few days ago. The highly addictive language is baloney and the FDA knows it.

"People won't smoke without nicotine in cigarettes, but they won't take nicotine by itself," said Newhouse, who has done extensive research into beneficial effects of nicotine on the brain. "Nicotine is not reinforcing enough. That's why FDA agreed nicotine could be sold over the counter. No one wants to take it because it's not pleasant enough by itself. And it's hard to get animals to self-administer nicotine the way they will with ........" Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's | Tampa Bay Times

Medical science already doesn't predict gate way problem and already knows nicotine alone is "not reinforcing" enough to be attractive by itself.

 

[pennysmalls]

My reaction is that when used in isolation, nicotine is NOT really all that addictive for the most part.
More and more studies are showing this, as are the collective experiences of many people on this forum through the years.

But other than that, yeah, I totally agree with you.
I continue to use nicotine, not because I am addicted to it, but for the benefits.

My only problem is that since I'm not addicted to nicotine, I have to remind myself to use it.

I've never stopped using nicotine long enough to know how I'd handle it. Don't plan on trying that anytime soon either. I know what nicotine does for me. I've been using it for three decades and I'm tired of hearing about how awful it is. I do just fine with it and am not a junky like they try to make me sound. I use it mainly for the throat hit, without TH vaping is not pleasant for me. I keep thinking that with the speed in which vaping evolves we'll soon see a nic free liquid with TH, at least I think that would be great.

 

[pennysmalls]

Something I just remembered....in the connective tissue disease community there is a belief among some patients that quitting smoking is what triggered the onset of their condition. I have no links to share, this is just something I saw several patients mention during my research about 3 years ago. I'll bet with some people it was the nicotine that was keeping their Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sjogrens, Lupus etc at bay.

 

[pennysmalls]

Thanks for the links Skoony and sofarsogood. I've got them bookmarked.

 

[Kent C]

Something I just remembered....in the connective tissue disease community there is a belief among some patients that quitting smoking is what triggered the onset of their condition. I have no links to share, this is just something I saw several patients mention during my research about 3 years ago. I'll bet with some people it was the nicotine that was keeping their Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sjogrens, Lupus etc at bay.

Nicotine may slow progression of rheumatoid arthritis | Reuters
Cigarette smoking and radiographic progression in rheumatoid arthritis -- Finckh et al. 66 (8): 1066 -- Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases

Does smoking help protect the joints? - CNN.com

https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-eve...eleases/2014/08/curing-arthritis-in-mice.html

 

[wv2win]

This article might sum up the medical consensus and it's published a few days ago. The highly addictive language is baloney and the FDA knows it.

"People won't smoke without nicotine in cigarettes, but they won't take nicotine by itself," said Newhouse, who has done extensive research into beneficial effects of nicotine on the brain. "Nicotine is not reinforcing enough. That's why FDA agreed nicotine could be sold over the counter. No one wants to take it because it's not pleasant enough by itself. And it's hard to get animals to self-administer nicotine the way they will with ........" Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's | Tampa Bay Times

Medical science already doesn't predict gate way problem and already knows nicotine alone is "not reinforcing" enough to be attractive by itself.

Good article and study. My question is: why do so many vapers on this forum tout with over-emphasized pride how they have reduced or eliminated nicotine from their e-liquid?

 

[Rossum]

Because they've been led to believe that nicotine is "bad".

 

[BuGlen]

Good article and study. My question is: why do so many vapers on this forum tout with over-emphasized pride how they have reduced or eliminated nicotine from their e-liquid?

One possible reason (among many, including the fear of nicotine) is that some people don't actually feel the real benefits of nicotine, so they just see it as an unnecessary dependency. Myself, I have moderate A.D.D. so I get real benefits from continuing to use it. However, I have seriously reduced my caffeine consumption as I've gotten older because I get more of the negative effects (jittery) now than I did when I was younger. I still absolutely need my mandatory 2 cups in the morning, but I avoid it for the rest of the day.

I know this doesn't explain the "many", but it could account for at least some. In any case, whether or not a person chooses to continue to use nicotine or not is a personal choice for them, and as long as they don't preach it, I respect their decision.

 

[TyPie]

Many likely proclaim that they have reduced their nic intake with great pride is also because they have been hearing how bad it is for so long. Agreed, tho, that it is more of the drug and chemical 'cocktail' in cigarettes than the nicotine itself. (I'm down to between 0 and 6 mg because I have found that I just don't need it. It works well for me.)

 

[sofarsogood]

Strong evidence that nic is hardly addictive is important because it undermines the argument that we have to be heavy handed regulating vaping becaue kids are going to try vaping and become crarzed nic addicts or move up to cigarettes for the big buzz. If nic is as non habit forming as the good doctor says we can predict kids will try vaping instead of cigarettes and lose interest because it's not that cool, still costs money and the nic is just not habit forming by itself. Any kids who keep on vaping will do it for the same reasons as grownups, they have a prior issue with tobacco which obviously have substances more addictive than nicotine. The best evidence that nicotine is not habit forming is patches and gum have been over the counter for 18 years without apparent problems.