Former American Spirit smoker, about to make the switch in one giant swoop... feedback would be appreciated

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JordanL

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First: I know there are no real correct answers, or replies, only personal experiences and opinions.

I've smoked American Spirit's (I'll really have to get used to calling them analogs...) for about four years. Prior to that I smoked Camels for about six months, but switched because I didn't like the taste.

I have however owned several hookahs, and from the disposable vapes I've tested the last few days to "see what it's like", it really seems more like using a portable, personal, electric hookah than smoking an analog. Which is fine by me, I actually have never really come to enjoy the taste of tobacco.

With that in mind, I plan on, at least at first, mostly staying away from tobacco flavored juices. I'll definitely give some of the RY4 juices a try later, but for now I'd like to experiment and find some of the exotic flavors that I might like, and build myself a nice collection of juices to choose from.

**Let me be clear, I do not at this time plan to use a vape as a way to stop using nicotine, right now I'm looking to use it as a better, more enjoyable, and safer way to use nicotine.**

So that means that I'm not really going halfway on it.

Right now, this is what I plan on doing for my first non-disposable e-cig... No starter kit, I'm putting together my own creation from the start:

First PV

eGo Twist 1000 Mah Battery in Black - $27.99
COV eGo Tank with Air Control - Black - $14.99
Joye eGo Fast USB Charger with Cord - $7.99x2
COV eGo Tank with Air Control - Replacement Atty - $4.99x2

Starting Juices

JC Mocha Mist 10mL
JC Smooth Peache 10mL
JC Banana Frost 10mL
Blueberry VG 15mL (Wanted to try a 100% VG Juice)

The Fiddly Bits

I smoked about 1 pack per day of AS Blues, which is about 1.8mg of nicotine per analog (highest in the industry), coming to about 36mg per day, (or about 1mL of the highest juice I've seen so far). Now, the nicotine absorption is different between analogs and juice, so I'll round that up and shoot for 40mg via juice per day, which if I smoke for 5 minutes (about 15 puffs) about 15 times per day, that's about 2.25mL of juice, leading to this for the desired mg:

40mg / 2.25mL = Xmg / 1mL
X = ~18mg

Again, because of rates of absorption and such, we'll again round up, and look for a 20-22mg juice if an 18 is not available. This should allow a direct replacement for analogs immediately without experiencing a major fluctuation of nicotine intake.

Now let's do some quick sanity checking... in order for this to be a net cost savings, assuming these things, I need 2.25mL to cost less than $6, or 10mL bottles to cost less than $25. No problem there, most are about $0.60-$0.75/mL, not $2.50/mL. Theoretically this means that after the cost of setup, I'm saving about $4.25/day on smoking.

(EDIT: An interesting note... if this is correct, I make back the cost of my entire setup in about 14 days.)

So yeah, looks like this is just all around a fantastic idea.

Points of Interest

The things I will pay closest attention to when first using my PV setup are:

- Experience in using after a meal versus past experience with analogs
- Experience using in the morning versus past experience with analogs
- Difficulty and amount of maintenance required
- Control and variability of total smoking experience, (vapor, TH, etc.)
- Flavor of juices
- Battery life, refill time, recharge rate (which I will evaluate together at first as a "time of preparation")

Feedback

I'd love any feedback at all. On my proposed setup (am I woefully missing something I'll need the first week?), number of parts, flavors and brands of juices, my calculations on both nic level and cost savings, or your own experiences on my points of interest.

I'd be happy to keep a journal as well, if people would like, as kind of a "diary of a newbie" type thing.
 
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I think you have a well thought out plan of action there. One of the few things I will suggest is to get more than one tank so you are not SOL when (not if) it fails. Backups for everything is key.

I have a Twist and think it is a great device for you to start off with. As far as juices, I can’t begin to recommend any flavors to you because that is extremely subjective. I will only note that you may be surprised at what you like or don’t like.

I'd also get an atomizer for testing juices.

Have fun!
 

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I think you have a well thought out plan of action there. One of the few things I will suggest is to get more than one tank so you are not SOL when (not if) it fails. Backups for everything is key.

I have a Twist and think it is a great device for you to start off with. As far as juices, I can’t begin to recommend any flavors to you because that is extremely subjective. I will only note that you may be surprised at what you like or don’t like.

I'd also get an atomizer for testing juices.

Have fun!

I was operating under the (possibly dangerous) assumption that one tank and one battery would be acceptable for the first week. Is this something that I will likely regret, or can I reasonably wait a week to purchase a backup tank and a second battery?

I'm basing my flavor choices initially on my experience with shisha for a hookah, in which I usually enjoy fruity flavors, but like to occasionally have a richer flavor like the mocha. I also like vanilla in a hookah.

As for an atomizer... would this require a completely different PV? I'm pretty sure I can purchase a few small pieces for the Ego VV battery, then remove the COV tank and use it as an atomizer, correct?
 

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A few of your points I am still working our myself being a new vaper, but I personally would aim for a broader range of liquids to start ( rather than just juicy)
I also would not be too hard on yourself regarding going the full hog and stopping analogues on day one, I found in the morning I did crave but no big deal if ii went ahead and had one ( rest of day vaped)
Also get two batteries (assume you meant that in your post)
Anyway the people here am great help so ask away!
 

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Think you're getting some good advise so far.

At Least 2 Batteries.
Couple of Different e-Liquid Flavors.
Some Cartos.
Etc…


One thing I would mention is that Cigarettes Nicotine is Measured by what the “Average” person Absorbs into their Body when they Smoke One Cigarette.

Whereas e-Cigarette e-Liquids are Measured in the Amount of Nicotine by weight, milligrams, in 1 milliliter of Volume.

Because the Actual Nicotine Absorption rate is less than with Cigarettes, its hard to do a straight across the board Comparison of the mg of Cigarettes to the mg of e-Liquids. Also, people seem to react to the amount of Nicotine in e-Liquids Differently.

As a PAD Smoker. I would suggest that you get Both an 18mg and 26mg e-Liquid on your first purchase. You might find that 18mg Isn’t Enough to get you thru the First 2 weeks. And if the 18mg works for you, you can always Dilute the 26mg down to 18mg down the road.

Best of Luck and let us Know how things turn out for you.
 

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You DEFINITELY need more than one battery to start!!! Two is a minimum. You want one charging/charged while vaping on the other one. And remember it's best to let the battery "rest" at least 10 minutes when first taking it off the charger to help prolong the overall life of the device.

The 1000 mAh eGo Twist will last using it heavily (chain vaping and dragging hard) between 6 and 8 hours. I am a very heavy vaper and vape constantly throughout the day and much of the night. The average eGo battery at 1000 mAh... whether VV or not...will only last about that long. If you only take a few puffs here and there throughout the day it'll last much longer on a charge. But when you start vaping you may discover you puff a lot more than you did when you smoked!
 

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The reason for getting 2 batteries is the reason I am currently suffering. I have just 1 battery and whenever the battery runs out of power it's on the charge for 3 hours and I can't vape anything until it's charged again. (I had a battery and a pass through and used the pass through while the battery was charging until the pass through died on me)

I came from the same boat almost, I was smoking about 12-14 American Spirit Blues a day before I decided to switch an E-cig. The highest craving for a cigarette were all those keystone smokes (after a meal, when I first wake up, and right before I go to bed) and my personal counter to wanting an analog was just to vape it out. Wasn't too bad of a transition.
 

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Alright, so far the feedback has been:

- Get multiple juice brands at first
- A second battery on day 1 is a requirement if you want to rely on a vape
- This particular setup is physically large (although I don't particularly care about that)
- A drip atty for the eGo VV would be nice

I think I'll probably heed the first and second on this list, but ignore the third and fourth, at least initially.

I might go for a mini as a backup, and also to take places that an 8 inch PV would be unwieldly.
 

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Former American Spirit non-filter smoker here.

Throw your mg calculations out the window and forget you ever scribbled them down.

I've been at this long enough to know that the nicotine level you need in a vape has little to do with the nicotine you consumed in cigarettes. Might be good for a rough baseline to judge the lows and highs, but otherwise meaningless.

Hoosier's standard advice is based on this observation:
Get a number of different types of flavors because what you think will work seldom does and the oddest thing you can think of is often the one that works.
Get a range of nicotine levels and don't assume that one level that worked at 4PM is going to be the same one that works at 4AM. (Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. When I started I needed 36mg at the very beginning of the morning, and had to jump that level up beyond the generally accepted ECF levels near miday, but also needed something around 24mg on occation. I can vape the same mg/ml level all day now, but that took awhile.)

It looks like you're on the right track though.
 

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Yep. Hoosier is right-on about the nic levels.
I only smoked 7-10 Sherman's MCDs per day. But I still need 24 mg nic juice!
As for Johnson Creek juice. They're my favorite. Please know that they offer 2 different lines of juices. 100% pg & 100% vg. I would recommend that you get some of both as there are lots of folks (I am only one) who have bad reactions to 100% pg. They taste very different to me. So try them both. See what works for you. You can always mix them if you've got the same or similar flavors.
Come back & let us know how it works out for ya.
 

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In addition to what's been said already I'll add this:

Juices vary not just by flavor, but by company. Even after you decide you like "mocha" for example, you may love one company's version and hate another. The descriptions don't always match the experience.

This is true in a sense for the tank as well. I have no experience with that one, but juice delivery is even more important than your battery in terms of a satisfying vape. Tanks and clearomizers are notoriously inconsistent. Some are better than others. That said, toss some Boge cartomizers in your cart. The disposables use cartomizers, only these can be refilled. This way you can compare the two.

This then leads to cost....it's the rare vapor that has a few tanks and a few juices in their collection. Most try A LOT of juices to find a handful they like. Equipment can be as simple or complex as you make it, but if curiousity and the search for a better vape leaves many of us with a variety of tanks, cartomizers, atties, etc.

You are off to a good start. IMHO, the Twist is the most versatile, balanced power supply out there.

Good luck with your transition!
 
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