Fox News video on Bloomberg's E-Cig Ban.

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I agree with this! Leave us alone to better our health without interference from gov't !!! Is it ok if I take an aspirin too along with my ecig puffs as long as I don't wash it down down with 2 liters of coke?? LOL bnrk

There a thread in the Legislation forum
What is it that vapers want?

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We want to be left the hell alone
 

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The E-Cig thing was aimed to be humouristic, I'm pretty sure he knows that it stands for electronic cigarette. It was a jab at how the letter E gets stuck in front of everything lately "E-Filing E-Docs E-Tag E-Toll etc... "

Yes, it was about Mayor Bloomberg, but the E-Cig ban weas also the main topic they were critisizing him on. You cannot expect leaps and bounds as far as media & public support for the E-cig goes, things happen more gradually. This video is a definite step in the right direction, as it puts 2 messages out there, "E-Cigs are safe" and " E-Cig bans are groundless and immoral", and it does this in a humouristic way. as Petrodus said, humour is a great way to get a point across, as people feel you're not preaching to them, and are more likely to listen because of that.

Thank you for this. You have communicated an interesting perspective on the video that I had not yet considered.

My guess is, it you asked centrists or right leaning politicians their opinions on vaping, there position would be that it "should not" be any of their business and they would rather not say anything. If the liberal politicians would stay out of our lives (regardless of their reasons), this whole discussion would be moot.

I don't know about the centrists (who tend to be split on most issues), but I can agree with you about the right on ideology. It will be interesting to watch though as BT gains a stronger interest in this market, and how that affects the politics on the right.
 

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The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen very many Republican politicians actually speak for e-cigs yet

Their votes and amendments are what count most, not how much press coverage they generate.

Besides, most state level e-cig battles are bills being pushed by liberal Dems in states where Dems control the legislature (and usually the Governor's mansion as well). In those states, the news media primarily covers the party/chairs/sponsors/bills in the majority party, while ignoring those in the minority party.

Same thing goes on in Washington DC, as the news media primarily covers the Republicans in the House and the Democrats in the Senate. When Henry Waxman or Nancy Polosi introduce bills or issue press releases, they aren't even news stories (except occassionally at liberal MSNBC or NY Times).
 
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BluGlen wrote



Their votes and amendments are what count most, not how much press coverage they generate.

Besides, most state level e-cig battles are bills being pushed by liberal Dems in states where Dems control the legislature (and usually the Governor's mansion as well). In those states, the news media primarily covers the party/chairs/sponsors/bills in the majority party, while ignoring those in the minority party.

Same thing goes on in Washington DC, as the news media primarily covers the Republicans in the House and the Democrats in the Senate. When Henry Waxman or Nancy Polosi introduce bills or issue press releases, they aren't even news stories (except occassionally at liberal MSNBC or NY Times).

Except for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and other tea party/libertarian/constitutional Republicans Senators - Toomey, Flake, Thume.... basically 'Club for Growth'-senators..... they're getting primary negative coverage by the lapdog/state controlled media... and for good reason... they endanger the major news media's basic philosophy - progressivism.
 

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BluGlen wrote



Their votes and amendments are what count most, not how much press coverage they generate.

Besides, most state level e-cig battles are bills being pushed by liberal Dems in states where Dems control the legislature (and usually the Governor's mansion as well). In those states, the news media primarily covers the party/chairs/sponsors/bills in the majority party, while ignoring those in the minority party.

Same thing goes on in Washington DC, as the news media primarily covers the Republicans in the House and the Democrats in the Senate. When Henry Waxman or Nancy Polosi introduce bills or issue press releases, they aren't even news stories (except occassionally at liberal MSNBC or NY Times).

Yep, I get that it's the votes that count. I was just curious if I was missing something in the media coverage when it comes to the active support of the politicians on the right.
 

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I know, I am so sick of political everything! Left, Right, Middle, who cares! If someone has a good idea I listen no matter which party, if they are full of bad ideas no matter who's fence they sit on, I ignore them :) LOL As my hubby always says they all go to the same country club.

And does anyone really believe cable news anymore? They are all after ratings, they all tell lies for viewers. I can't stand any of them anymore and I used to be a real news junkie. I mean real news, like Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley etc. Yep I am dating myself really good now! ha ha How I really miss real news reporting not all this cable garbage we have now. Sad! bnrk

I wish there was one site a person could go to that didn't always turn into people bashing someones political views. It's really sad
 

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Ok, I found this video and just had to share it! Mayor of NYC (Bloomberg) being heavily critisized for "Destroying his own dream of a smoke-free NYC". Hilarious!

Bloomberg sabotaging his dream of a smoke-free NYC? | Fox News Video

Video seems to be supportive of E-Cigs.

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I mean real news, like Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley etc. Yep I am dating myself really good now! ha ha How I really miss real news reporting not all this cable garbage we have now. Sad! bnrk

Careful, you're destroying the "vaping is to hook kids" argument!

Like Petrodus says about Gov't, I think we get the news we deserve. I guess I'd better start watching PBS. (Right now I don't watch TV. Nothing on.)
 

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I haven't read thorough all of the posts, so excuse me if this has been said.

Although the scientific studies that have been done to show that ecigs are a safer alternative to smoking have helped, that is not why ecigs are getting this much media coverage now.

Ecigs are getting attention because Bloomberg was caught trying to take away the rights of people using back door politics. He was caught in a lie, plain and simple. Everyone knows that most politicians are untrustworthy, but the leaked documents confirmed Bloombergs underhanded action.

Now, FOX can go after the FDA with the scientific data as support. But that can't be the only way to go at them. They have to show the FDA for what it is- tied in with big Pharma. Big Pharma stands to lose a lot of money if the FDA doesn't enact strong regulation against ecigs. We've already seen the effect ecig sales have had on BT's bottom line.

People will become interested when they have allegations or proof of a dirty politician or a compromised government agency trying to take away their rights. We've already seen the results with regards to Bloombergs actions.

Scientific data is very helpful, but in a support role. If these politicians and agencies true agendas are exposed, then people will listen to the scientific data.

I hope FOX keeps pushing the issues with the FDA. If they do, I believe the FDA would rather back down than risk having FOX, and other news broadcasts, start asking more questions they'd rather not answer.
 

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People will become interested when they have allegations or proof of a dirty politician or a compromised government agency trying to take away their rights. We've already seen the results with regards to Bloombergs actions.

Scientific data is very helpful, but in a support role. If these politicians and agencies true agendas are exposed, then people will listen to the scientific data.

IMO either one alone is necessary but not sufficient. It takes both. (The media have to feel good about themselves AND their ratings.)
 
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