Fox News video on Bloomberg's E-Cig Ban.

[Orb Skewer]

GAME ON !!

The acronym ANTZ was coined by our own Kristin (Vice President CASAA)
If she sees what you wrote ... she'll step and explain
for the 1000th time why N for Nicotine is included in the acronym.

EDIT
Here is one of a countless number of links I could post Click Here

More to search through ... if ya like
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A lesson on symantics-great
well, as it turns I am an ANTI and not an ANTZ after all-note to diary.......
Every day is a learning day, the MAJORITY of every educated country in the world is ANTI-and todays lesson is that there are some 'factions' (probably miniscule in size) who are anti Nicotine as well [citation on numbers required], well F me, there are some weird and wonderfull cults on this planet.

 

[Petrodus]

I wish there was one site a person could go to that didn't always turn into people bashing someones political views. It's really sad

Only seeing e-cigs presented in a positive light on FOX
kinda sorta brings politics to mind.

 

[kristin]

A lesson on symantics-great
well, as it turns I am an ANTI and not an ANTZ after all-note to diary.......
Every day is a learning day, the MAJORITY of every educated country in the world is ANTI-and todays lesson is that there are some 'factions' (probably miniscule in size) who are anti Nicotine as well [citation on numbers required], well F me, there are some weird and wonderfull cults on this planet.

Any of the health groups that are trying to ban e-cigarettes are ANTZ. (Take your pick - ALA, ACS, CTFK, AMA, WHO.) Some of them are not only ANTZ but keen not to lose their lucrative funding, as well. The "anti-nicotine" refers to recreational use, of course. Using pharmaceutical nicotine with abstinence as the goal is acceptable to them. Plus, anyone who ever says "If you're still using nicotine you're still smoking" or calls e-cigarette users "pathetic addicts" or "nic-fiends" are ANTZ. If they object to us using nicotine even without any significant health risks, based solely on moral grounds (ie. you shouldn't be using anything bad for you and all addiction is bad) then they are ANTZ. ANTZ object to any kind of recreational nicotine or tobacco use and ignore any evidence of low health risks. It doesn't matter if it's safe. There are a lot more ANTZ out there than you think, but you are correct that they are the minority of the population as a whole - they just make the most noise and have the most power and influence (even though they'd have you believe they aren't as mighty as the tobacco industry.)

 

[BuGlen]

The "left" is the very political persuasion that supports and initiates all or almost all bans and severe restrictions on vaping. And bans on vaping dove-tails exactly into the "nanny-state" thinking of the far left along with many other bans/proposals that basically state we are not capable of making our own decisions.

Fox was the first and only major news organization to air supportive commentary on vaping as far back as 2011.

I didn't say that the left wasn't the source for most or all of the problematic legislation when it comes to e-cigs. Anyone who actually follows politics (in a non-partisan way) can review who writes the legislation to figure that one out, but not everyone can look past the partisan BS to figure out why. From what I can see, it really is a matter of crony capitalism and political corruption where BP has influenced (bought) this type of legislation. The part I believe is BS about the argument from the right is that they never seem to make that link, probably because then they'd be under the microscope for their own corporate funded legislation (like big oil, for instance).

...I doubt many of the center or left were watching.

But even if they were, hopefully they were led to reconsider their thoughts regarding electronic cigarettes.
Unless of course their minds are closed to anything that comes out of Fox News.

I'm just thinking that this was a really good thing for MOST of the people watching to have seen.

You're probably correct that most people on the left won't watch Fox News, but there are those on the left who vape that do frequent this forum. To me, this particular piece sounded more like a political commentary about Bloomberg rather than an actual review on his policy on e-cigs. I realize I may be in the minority, but I really would like to see the partisan crap kept out of the debate and just let the truth speak for itself.

I wish there was one site a person could go to that didn't always turn into people bashing someones political views. It's really sad

I tend to agree, but I would advise you to try to look past the partisan arguments and understand the frustration behind them. I frequent a very popular technical forum where the partisan debates really do get out of hand and it turns into a yelling match. I have found that overall the good people here at ECF are generally very fair minded, regardless of their personal political opinions.

 

[CookingWithGuns]

Someone pinch me, I am actually agreeing with Ann Coulter. Refreshing to see such open and passionate statements ("It's NOT harmful!") on Fox. Fox has been backing the ecig in terms of business inventments for months. Now they are simply ridiculing Bloomberg's nanny thinking. Love it!

I spent over half a day with Coulter, she is nothing like what you read and see, that is a persona adapted for her job only. Also, she was a heavy snooker relying on the gum very heavily, not surprised she switched to ecigs given her personality, and that a lot of the fox news workers (where she is often enough) have switched. Love it or hate it, Republicans and Conservatives (two different groups) are the biggest and best allies for vapers

 

[BuGlen]

I spent over half a day with Coulter, she is nothing like what you read and see, that is a persona adapted for her job only. Also, she was a heavy snooker relying on the gum very heavily, not surprised she switched to ecigs given her personality, and that a lot of the fox news workers (where she is often enough) have switched. Love it or hate it, Republicans and Conservatives (two different groups) are the biggest and best allies for vapers

I am sincerely interested in this opinion, and agree that conservatives and Republicans aren't necessarily the same group of people. Do you derive this from actual legislative policy and/or votes (the politicians), or just the conservative minded Americans view of individual freedoms? Or perhaps both?

The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen very many Republican politicians actually speak for e-cigs yet. So far, I see Democrats (funded by BP) trying to destroy the industry with most Republicans being mainly silent on the issue, but I can see how that will change now that BT has gotten into the game. It's been said before that when you view politics on this issue, you should follow the money, and I really do believe that is the case.

 

[Petrodus]

AmeriKa has the best politicians ... Money can buy

 

[Berylanna]

AmeriKa has the best politicians ... Money can buy

Because all our voters are hooked up to the Glass Teat, our eyes and ears are for sale.

It might be interesting to find a news site that is investigative rather than ideological, so we could recommend it to our families.

But first we'd have to find one.....

 

[Kent C]

In the original video, Andy paraphrases HL Mencken:

“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

There are puritans on both the Right and Left. It's the 'there ought to be a law against ....(fill in the blank - usually something that is 'newly popular' whether it was skateboards, cell phones or ecigarettes)...

John Stossell, who wrote the article above, is a libertarian objectivist, not from the 'right' or a 'conservative'. Coulter while right on many things, hates libertarians in general as do most of the Left, as well as the far religious Right.... so they have that in common

 

[Petrodus]

I suggest there's something we can all agree on ...
The sun rises is the East and sets in the West.

Carry On

 

[MonkInsane]

I have to say that I'm on the fence about this one. While it's always good to have an argument against "health" regulations that really aren't about health, I feel that the way they perceive and project the nanny argument is way too far into the party line BS. Maybe it's just my way of thinking, but I believe that much of the pure-political rhetoric brought up in the discussion could help to reduce support from the center or left. I mean really... The guy doing the lead-in on the discussion didn't even know that the "e" in e-cig stood for electronic.

To me, this discussion sounded like it was more about who was proposing the legislation, rather than the legislation itself.

The E-Cig thing was aimed to be humouristic, I'm pretty sure he knows that it stands for electronic cigarette. It was a jab at how the letter E gets stuck in front of everything lately "E-Filing E-Docs E-Tag E-Toll etc... "

Yes, it was about Mayor Bloomberg, but the E-Cig ban weas also the main topic they were critisizing him on. You cannot expect leaps and bounds as far as media & public support for the E-cig goes, things happen more gradually. This video is a definite step in the right direction, as it puts 2 messages out there, "E-Cigs are safe" and " E-Cig bans are groundless and immoral", and it does this in a humouristic way. as Petrodus said, humour is a great way to get a point across, as people feel you're not preaching to them, and are more likely to listen because of that.

 

[Berylanna]

Yeah, Coulter managed to finally offend (*) me in the last 10 seconds but all that went before was both hilarious and heartening to this lefty (in more ways that one) vaper.


* Actually, it was embarassing to watch her try. Too lame to actually offend.

 

[VANA]

Great post thank you for sharing, I definitely got a laugh out of it hahaha

 

[dave8944]

Interestingly Morning Joe on MSNBC ran small segment on Bloomberg's ban attempt Monday morning. The pundits all seem to be in favor of them at the start, but there was a medical professor being questioned about them who spouted the usual diatribe about them perhaps leading to smoking, the need to regulate the contents, and the lack of research. Joe was still in favor at the end, but Mika ended up siding with Bloomberg. At least it wasn't one-sided, and they did mention it was better than smoking.

 

[ClaireW]

Ok, I found this video and just had to share it! Mayor of NYC (Bloomberg) being heavily critisized for "Destroying his own dream of a smoke-free NYC". Hilarious!

Bloomberg sabotaging his dream of a smoke-free NYC? | Fox News Video

Video seems to be supportive of E-Cigs.

Thanks for posting. Need to watch later but any time I see bloombergs name - ignorant & stupidity is the first words that comes to mind.

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[gayhalo]

Brilliant. It was interesting that the aim of the panel was to make fun of Bloomberg and by using e cigs it did us a huge favour. We have some politicians over here in the UK that need making fun of..... I wish we could get the BBC to do the same for us. Cameron and Boris Johnson come to mind.

 

[wv2win]

I am sincerely interested in this opinion, and agree that conservatives and Republicans aren't necessarily the same group of people. Do you derive this from actual legislative policy and/or votes (the politicians), or just the conservative minded Americans view of individual freedoms? Or perhaps both?

The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen very many Republican politicians actually speak for e-cigs yet. So far, I see Democrats (funded by BP) trying to destroy the industry with most Republicans being mainly silent on the issue, but I can see how that will change now that BT has gotten into the game. It's been said before that when you view politics on this issue, you should follow the money, and I really do believe that is the case.

My guess is, if you asked centrists or right leaning politicians their opinions on vaping, there position would be that it "should not" be any of their business and they would rather not say anything. If the liberal politicians would stay out of our lives (regardless of their reasons), this whole discussion would be moot.

 

[Petrodus]

There a thread in the Legislation forum
What is it that vapers want?

I posted ...
We want to be left the hell alone

 

[ScandaLeX]

Thanks for the link. Sounds to me like Bloomberg just has nothing else better to nitpik about. Ban something that harmless. ... that's priceless.

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[bnrkwest]

That was quite humorous, I haven't actually watched Fox news for years because I find them totally creepy and out to lunch, but that was fun and supportive of ecigs. bnrk