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Oh yes, I realize that, thanks for the info though.
If you look two posts before the one you quoted I mentioned placing an order for some syringes; which I did about two hrs ago along with 10 black stardusts. I still like the stardusts a lot. The taste of the vapor from the stardusts is second only to the C8 for me. I can't see how people can use polyfill cartos. For me, the maintenance you have to do on clearos is worth it to not have to taste that polyfill.exactly what i've had happen. just random dump out after its not done it number of times before.
I understand what you're trying to say, but I can't see where a 3-5% failure rate is acceptable. Especially @ $11 plus shipping.
I could have spent that $25 on hookers & beer.Or at least a VV box mod kit & a bit of juice.
25 dollars for hookers AND beer? how much extra does it cost to treat the diseases from 15 dollar hookers?
The 2 I purchased are currently still sitting in their box. I'm honestly too concerned to try them at this point, so they may just be forgot about and kept for emergency backups.
I like the idea of selling a "beta version" of something like this. Even if it was "except for DOA, buy at your own risk". I still probably would have bought them just to try them! But I would have bought them fully aware.
why let them sit, if you lay them on their side, they don't seem to leak, i just using them around the house now. Even that is a little tough because i'm afraid to drop it in my pocket for fear it will leak out, but at least when i'm sitting watching tv or at my computer i can get use out of them.
Of course it is "except for DOA only," as we as consumers allow this to be common practice.
Similar to doctors and medical field. If they do not diagnose your symptoms correctly, when you return they charge you again. For the same issue. What if you take your car into the shop for no A/C, and when you get it back it still doesn't work. Well, you hold them accountable.
If you buy cheap asian products at Wally-world and it breaks this quickly, you return it.
This is just silliness. I really liked the C8 at first, and still love the concept. The price is the concern here. To be beta testers and pay a premium, not cool.
I'm pretty sure the failure rate is not 12/500, as I have 2. First one lasted less than a week, secong had a random dump the first day. My failure rate at this point would be more like 1.5/2, as the first one did work for a bit, so I give it 50% credit.
I have even recommended these to others because I didn't have the issues at first. Now I feel bad for those that I did recommend it to.
Similar to doctors and medical field. If they do not diagnose your symptoms correctly, when you return they charge you again. For the same issue. What if you take your car into the shop for no A/C, and when you get it back it still doesn't work. Well, you hold them accountable.
If you buy cheap asian products at Wally-world and it breaks this quickly, you return it.
This is just silliness. I really liked the C8 at first, and still love the concept. The price is the concern here. To be beta testers and pay a premium, not cool.
I'm pretty sure the failure rate is not 12/500, as I have 2. First one lasted less than a week, secong had a random dump the first day. My failure rate at this point would be more like 1.5/2, as the first one did work for a bit, so I give it 50% credit.
I have even recommended these to others because I didn't have the issues at first. Now I feel bad for those that I did recommend it to.
Why would you want to vape something that tastes like a cigarette?
LMAO! I don't! You have got to try that juice. I will send you my 10mL bottle just to see your reaction!
Really, I've never been a gum person, but like their flavors. My wife says Juicy Fruit is her favorite but the flavor doesn't last long. Well, GP fixed that. I tasted this for hours. I usually lose the vape flavor quickly, but that awful stuff wanted me to remember it. Really, what did the put in it? It wasn't fresh. The born on date is 02/2012. Clearly needs about 3.2 years worth of steeping in a sauna with ginseng infused humidity. Once completed, simply empty contents into the bottomless hole in a lab sink.
I agree completely with you, I got 3 of these plus shipping, add the stone that was defective plus shipping and thats like 40-50 bucks. I could be buying my kids stuff instead. The problem I have is we all know you can get most of this vaping stuff from china with no warranty for much cheaper, so why are we paying 50-100% more for the same no warranty?
I agree with you. The people who report problems on the forums are not likely to represent the majority of the people who are having problems. A lot of people might be having the same issues and all that they will do is head to the forums to see if they're the only one or if someone has come up with a fix and they never post. The only way to use the forums to figure out the magnitude of the problem is to compare the number of complaints to the number of regular posters that got the item and have not commented and the people that say that their product is fine. Even then, the no-commenters are a wild card.
I'm right there with the people who report the positive things as well as the bad, but I feel like it's my duty as a consumer. That's not the norm because so many people see that someone has already voiced their concern, so they don't add their voice. Add that to the amount of people who see no reason to post about it if it's working fine, and you find that it's impossible to come up with reliable data this way.
The manufacturer is the one that is failing us and failing GV because things like this is bad for business. You can't trust reports based on the samples because they weren't mass produced and can't represent the quality of the item when it has been mass produced. Samples are made with care. (auto complete wanted me to say that they were made with coffee, which is probably also true) So, the idea of sending out a small amount of items from the lot after it has arrived is a good one.
The drawback to that is competition. In the time it takes for the products to be tested, other vendors would already be selling the knock-offs which may or may not work. The item could already have a terrible reputation from that before we could finish testing it even if GV's batch is perfect. It's sort of a rock and hard place situation.
No kidding, but at $11 bucks each you do expect them to work at least for a while. And you would expect problems to be rare. I am not buying the "only 12 out of 500 leaked" analogy because I bought two and both of mine leaked...I just think not everyone bothered to report it. The statistical odds of me getting 2 of only 12 leakers in 500 is pretty slim. Possible, but unlikely.
Also note that me and several others originally posted to give our POSITIVE feedback on these C8's, which are great other than the leaking, and only subsequently did they start leaking. So you can't attribute my (or several others) comments to the fact that people are more likely to report problems than success.
I agree completely with what you said. mine leaked the first night I was using them. I really doubt the samples would have been any different. But there are economics to the situation and its better for the company to send test samples to people doing video reviews as that creates interest. I'm sure samples also go to people that spend the most money at gotvapes. Unfortunately, if you want real tests, you need to send to people that really are going to find the problems. The whole process has me kind of weary, IMHO the stone went from a product with some slight issues to a product that was way way worse. Not sure whose input was taken on that, but it certainly wasn't from someone that chain vapes. who on gods earth would you go from aluminum to steel so you can burn your mouth with every puff? Not to mention have the juice leaking from the top threads on the second batch? Don't mean to rant, but those things really ...... me off, was just like throwing money in my fireplace. At least these things I can use as long as I remember never to stand them upright.
at any rate, as I've said before, you want a real test, send them to me. you will find out any problems real fast.
at any rate, as I've said before, you want a real test, send them to me. you will find out any problems real fast.
first off, im here even discusiing removing the c8 becuase of the fact we sold 400 and are hearing about 20 or so comlaints, that to me worries me so thats why i have been here deciding to remove them or not and move on if they cant fix them, you dont see me doing this with stones or other products becuase they sold way more with not many complaints, and the fact is dealing with china we take a 3 to 5% failure rate, thats just how it goes. But with the c8 it seems very random and has happened to me after testing more of them, not as bad but i got it to leak.
Now i see the numbers , i see the issues and when its to high im here discussing it. This is me taking it at face value and not inspecting each one etc..
the same applies ot the stone, osme people here have issues, but we sold way over 5000, even the people not reporting, when looking at numbers the issues are small, many of the issues where user error and after assitance we get a reply, thanks all good now while others just have a issue. thats how it is for disposable products.
as far as testers are concerned, i always have and continue to send out products for testing, you just dont always here about it.
Sending things out for testing though doesnt always give me the answer i need, I can easily send products to 20 people i know that 97% of the time will never have a issue, that doesnt help me, i can also sned it to people who no matter what i send will always have a issue(not you rob) and that doesnt help me either.
Again this is something as a business all vendors have to deal with
Now i see the numbers , i see the issues and when its to high im here discussing it. This is me taking it at face value and not inspecting each one etc..
the same applies ot the stone, osme people here have issues, but we sold way over 5000, even the people not reporting, when looking at numbers the issues are small, many of the issues where user error and after assitance we get a reply, thanks all good now while others just have a issue. thats how it is for disposable products.
as far as testers are concerned, i always have and continue to send out products for testing, you just dont always here about it.
Sending things out for testing though doesnt always give me the answer i need, I can easily send products to 20 people i know that 97% of the time will never have a issue, that doesnt help me, i can also sned it to people who no matter what i send will always have a issue(not you rob) and that doesnt help me either.
Again this is something as a business all vendors have to deal with
just stopping in to say still using the bottle fill with C8 on its side, takes me all about 1 to 2 min tops to get my stuff out fill and vape. Have had 1 dump between 2 of them out of 22 fills, I am happy so any of you that are afraid to try yours send them to me I'll be glad to have them.
I have notice these things are sensitive to temperature, can and will build up condensation in the mouth pc leaving you less then a good experience with them. so i take the mouth pc off (you will see the cond. in the little hole) shake it or dry it out and a slight blow into the center hole to clear it then all is good. when its warm out latter in the day I have no problem at all, the things vapes like crazy.
I have notice these things are sensitive to temperature, can and will build up condensation in the mouth pc leaving you less then a good experience with them. so i take the mouth pc off (you will see the cond. in the little hole) shake it or dry it out and a slight blow into the center hole to clear it then all is good. when its warm out latter in the day I have no problem at all, the things vapes like crazy.
I'm still using my first one, have refilled about 4-5 times, no leaking or dumping issues yet. My only "problem" is that I bought them for going out, and I worry they're going to spontaneously dump. so, I've only been using them at home, which kind of defeats the purpose.
Hopefully someone can figure it out soon...
Hopefully someone can figure it out soon...
FWIW, I adore these things. I have NO DOUBT the good guys at Gotvapes tested them properly. I suspect in the first regular production run at the manufacturer there were different and/or less experienced people and something slipped. I hope the leaky thing can be fixed...because they are my new favorite and I don't mind paying a little more for the best.
the issue there is can they make them better, we spoke for a few hours and they are telling em they will try and send samples but thats going by what i got form you all here, im not 100% sure what the issue is that causes the ones to that dump versus the ones that dont, usually i can solve it but with this im a little baffled. lol
Well, I can tell you this, I know that the people who did the first 2 reviews, weren't sent samples. I know that neither ita or I had samples. Hell, I purchased 5 of them, just to do the review. Once they came in, I used nothing but C8's (rotating between 3) for 48 hours, and let 2 coworkers test for a day each, before recording the review. I pulled apart the C8s, destroying some, and getting all but one back in working order. As a matter of fact, I got about 4 hours of sleep both nights in-between. I am not sure what your "real tests" are, but they are real tests.
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