Free Idea for machinists(make me one please!)

[johnbolt2000]

Hey guys! First post here. I hope y'all don't mind me opening a new thread. I am posting this idea, probably unoriginal, in case any CNC guys had some spare stuff laying around. It's pretty self explanatory. Small stock squeezy bottle goes inside, bolt sqeezes bottle, atomizer makes vapor...our vapor. I left out some little optional details. There could be a little funnel machined in above the atomizer. Also another smaller screw could be placed under the bottle to keep it from sliding around. I think this would look awesome in aluminum and about the size of a large cigar. Maybe a black rubber or kurnelled grip. of course the drip bottle could be put in a box or whatev. Hope you guys like the idea! thanks! ps I actually use Microstation at work. Just didn't want to burn hours, so I used paintbrush

 

[tinear]

i understand the concept, and it has it's merits but... um, you left out the part about what to do with the vapor once it's created? with your digram as is, the internal pressure build up would force it out through the atomizer air intakes and/or force unvaporized liquid into the battery maybe?
still, i see where you're going

 

[puff-puff-pass]

Might be workable...follow me here for a second...

Take the chamber that has the bottle built into it. If you make that chamber the design as the flat mouthpiece-cart of the 901, you would have a "tunnel" in the bottle chamber for your vapor to travel to the mouthpiece.

The push-button could be set up on a spring so that you could push it in only .5 or 1 mm...enough to eek out a single drop.

The bottle would need to be "vial" size with a needle-type point...and made of soft plastic. This would allow the push-button to force out a drop, and the viscosity of the juice might be held back from leaking.

 

[shihab]

Nice diagram johnbolt200... However, I can't quite see how you would empty out most of the liquid from the vial even if the push button where to some how go all the way down.

Okay, after thinking about it a bit, I think I see how it's supposed to work now. So everytime you want to drip a few more drops on the atomizer you have to first point the e-cigarette downward so that the remaining juice is at the valve.

 

[MoonMan]

Might be workable...follow me here for a second...

Take the chamber that has the bottle built into it. If you make that chamber the design as the flat mouthpiece-cart of the 901, you would have a "tunnel" in the bottle chamber for your vapor to travel to the mouthpiece.

The push-button could be set up on a spring so that you could push it in only .5 or 1 mm...enough to eek out a single drop.

The bottle would need to be "vial" size with a needle-type point...and made of soft plastic. This would allow the push-button to force out a drop, and the viscosity of the juice might be held back from leaking.

What you propose sounds feasible. I think the main problem to overcome with designs like this is the liquid dripping out when it isn't wanted - but a small enough diameter dripping needle may solve that, combined with a thick juice.

As for vapor flow, all you would need is one side of the fluid bottle to be flattened, like you say. I may take a crack at this - I think my main problem will be procuring a small, flexible, refillable fluid chamber. Maybe one of those little puresmoker 10ml bottles with a needle attachment?

 

[MoonMan]

A little redesign


I think the key to a system like this is the simplicty - all this talk of micro pumps and spray atomizers sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

This is about as simple as it can get. K.I.S.S., as they say.

 

[bri1270]

I would patent that.

 

[ISAWHIM]

How do you detect when the coil is dry, so it does not burn-up?

Beyond a drop, you still need a constant supply of cooling fluid on the coil. Without that constant cooling, the coil gets up to melting temperatures, once the liquid has been vaped away.

The design of the coil requires a constant flow of liquid. Air helps, but not as much as the liquid does.

You would need to reprogram the element to have a temperature sensor, so it turns off when there is no more liquid flowing, and cooling the coil.

That arrangement would be ideal for a heating element that was regulated, or unable to get above melting temperatures. (EG, like a traditional vaporizer using a small hot-plate.)

You would also have to be able to see the actual drop, as it drips. When the container is full, you may get one drop per depression of the switch/lever. However, once air gets inside the bottle, it requires more depression or pressure and length in lever motion, to compress the air in the bottle enough to force the liquid out. (EG, when there is no air in the bottle, the pressure goes to the liquid first, and you get one drop. If there is air, it will compress until it gets up to pressure, and then the energy is transferred to the liquid, only releasing about 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 or 1/8... lower, as more air is present in the bottle.)

At some point, there will be so much air, that no fluid will come out, because you can not compress the air enough. It will push out some fluid, and suck it back inside, not taking in any ore air, and no releasing any more fluid.

Test the idea first... no cnc required. Just a bottle, a thumb-tack lever, and a film container, or similar holding device.

 

[johnbolt2000]

Hey guys! Great replys! I think I left off a crucial detail...The tap screw. I didnt label it. In theory you could just turn it a bit(every x amount of puffs) to release a drop. 1/4 turn,1/2 turn..whatever. It would be one of those tiny plastic squeeze bottles. You would never be able to completely empty the bottle, so you'd have to top it every now and then. They have a tiny little valve nozzle that won't just drip when you stop continually applying pressure. As for air flow, yall are totally correct. It would need a lot. This drawing isn,t scaled so well. In fact you would prolly have to "suspend" the little bottle in the chamber if it was the size of a large cigar. rubber strips lengthwise inside the shaft could do the trick. vapor would the pass around the bottle as if it was a cart "wadding bucket". as for burning out the atomizer, I have a pretty good sense of when I'm running out of steam, when I drip. so..puff,puff,puff...hold vertical,turn screw...puff,puff.. Oh hell yes,by the way, I love the KISS design method Hope I adressed all the Q's

 

[nicowolf]

Has anyone looked into the workings of an IV drip? They are able to control the speed of the drip very precisely with that rigup of theirs. Could we maybe scale it down and enclose it in a chamber sized for an e-cig? I know it is based on gravity, but I know little else about it, except that they have amazing control over the flow.

 

[tinear]

Has anyone looked into the workings of an IV drip? They are able to control the speed of the drip very precisely with that rigup of theirs. Could we maybe scale it down and enclose it in a chamber sized for an e-cig? I know it is based on gravity, but I know little else about it, except that they have amazing control over the flow.

it's coming......

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[nicowolf]

it's coming......

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Pardon me for being a skeptic, but I don't think that drop of resin is EVER going to fall.

 

[tinear]

Pardon me for being a skeptic, but I don't think that drop of resin is EVER going to fall.

it's all about control

 

[johnbolt2000]

Hey guys i've been brainstorming....anyone ever thought of using one of these for a battery mod(ala screwdriver) or maybe even a case for this idea.
it could hold a pretty big battery. There is a point in the upper part of the lid. It "cracks" the whip it cartridge. That point would be drilled out for the atty connector.

 

[tinear]

whippets! hehe hee ha heehee hahaha haha HA BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[johnbolt2000]

Hey why not the come in machined aluminum or brass! wouldn't be much dif from using a flashlight.

 

[MoonMan]

How do you detect when the coil is dry, so it does not burn-up?

Beyond a drop, you still need a constant supply of cooling fluid on the coil. Without that constant cooling, the coil gets up to melting temperatures, once the liquid has been vaped away.

The design of the coil requires a constant flow of liquid. Air helps, but not as much as the liquid does.

You would need to reprogram the element to have a temperature sensor, so it turns off when there is no more liquid flowing, and cooling the coil.

That arrangement would be ideal for a heating element that was regulated, or unable to get above melting temperatures. (EG, like a traditional vaporizer using a small hot-plate.)

You would also have to be able to see the actual drop, as it drips. When the container is full, you may get one drop per depression of the switch/lever. However, once air gets inside the bottle, it requires more depression or pressure and length in lever motion, to compress the air in the bottle enough to force the liquid out. (EG, when there is no air in the bottle, the pressure goes to the liquid first, and you get one drop. If there is air, it will compress until it gets up to pressure, and then the energy is transferred to the liquid, only releasing about 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 or 1/8... lower, as more air is present in the bottle.)

At some point, there will be so much air, that no fluid will come out, because you can not compress the air enough. It will push out some fluid, and suck it back inside, not taking in any ore air, and no releasing any more fluid.

Test the idea first... no cnc required. Just a bottle, a thumb-tack lever, and a film container, or similar holding device.

You drip when vapor decreases. I do it all the time.

As for the bottle not dripping when half empty - I don't know about your bottles, but when I tip one of my little plastic juice bottles upside-down and apply a tiny bit of pressure, it drips no matter how much is left in it. Let off on the pressure, and it draws air in. Repeat until empty.

This idea would work, I'm sure of it. Only problem I foresee is it dripping when it shouldn't. Perhaps stuffing the needle end with a little bit of loose cart material would increase the surface tension enough to hold it, yet allow it to drip on command.

 

[ed_bollix]

Anyone ever looked at fountain pen feeds? They supply a constant amount of liquid to the nib as it is dispensed to paper... Just a thought.
See the reference page here:
RichardsPens.com • Fountain Pens by Richard Binder

 

[Rubberjohnny]

Further to Ed's comment on fountain pen delivery there is also the possibility of using the "push to release fluid" nib used in correction pens.These nibs release a fixed amount of fluid when the nib is depressed onto the paper surface.

 

[Obi Wan]

pardon me for being a skeptic, but i don't think that drop of resin is ever going to fall.

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