I use to enjoy smoking, just like many of you, I vape now and reasons that lead me to quit is the high cost and maybe the health reasons. Fact is, when smoking use to never be a problem until airlines wanted just a section for non-smokers to retreat to. Well smokers gave them that and it was the fuel to a fire that would stop smoking, EVEN OUT SIDE. Now my point being is that I am seeing the exact same thing happening with vaping. First it's an air plane, then over taxed/ over priced, take all your money cause we can laws kick in and then guess what....You are controlled again by the non-doer's. I'm sick of vaping like I am smoking and people making me feel like that. I'm sick of holding it in or blowing down a shirt with the feeling as if I'm doing something wrong. Last I checked I'm harming no one, I have freedom as long as I harm no one and without shame, should not let the non-doer's get their way. If we all hide it as if we are doing something wrong then guess what, YOUR SHOWING THEM YOUR ASHAMED. If someone has a right to drink an energy drink, drive a car, take medicine with more side effects then the problem it suppose to cure, then me vaping should be the least of an others problem. What I guess I'm saying is: DON'T be ashamed, Hold your head proud, BE FREE when vaping other wise your a smoking gun for non-doer's. Some people are in fear to act cause they may be arrested, do you think black people would still sit in the back of the bus if Rosa Parks never stood up? Just saying. On another note (food for thought) what is the FDA going to do about methadone? It's free and any drug user can get high for free and they hand it out like candy. To me it seem it's about control and money. When will we see the day, when we fight back? Or are you going to keep your couch warm and just ..... about it?
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Good points, although I have always agreed with smoking restrictions in public indoor spaces and various vehicles.
To your list, I'd add food. How can the FDA want to be so draconian with e-liquids and vaporizers, but continues to allow free sale of sugar water? Without warning labels or childproof containers!
The sugar water, in fact corn syrup water, together with tons of other corn syrup laced foods, from bread to cold cuts and with other empty calorie bombs contributes the most (more then everything else around, cigarettes included) to all the strokes, heart attacks, kidney disease and overall disability out there through obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes. If the FDA wants to ban something that takes a brutal toll on public healthcare, they should start with corn syrup
To your list, I'd add food. How can the FDA want to be so draconian with e-liquids and vaporizers, but continues to allow free sale of sugar water? Without warning labels or childproof containers!
The sugar water, in fact corn syrup water, together with tons of other corn syrup laced foods, from bread to cold cuts and with other empty calorie bombs contributes the most (more then everything else around, cigarettes included) to all the strokes, heart attacks, kidney disease and overall disability out there through obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes. If the FDA wants to ban something that takes a brutal toll on public healthcare, they should start with corn syrup
If you want to protect your right to vape, then the one thing ALL of us must do is:
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Well the Utah house has now passed HB-245 ammending the clean air act to include e-cigs, and I didn't see a hell of a lot of CSAA folks around to try to stop it.
Then you are not paying attention or supporting CASAA. They mounted a campain to get vapers to send letters and emails to Utah representatives. They also provided information to the representatives themselves.
CASAA is an all volunteer group who all have jobs. They can only do so much with the meager support they get from vapers like yourself. Maybe instead of complaining you should be an active member who does the work. CASAA members have testified in front of several state governing bodies on behalf of vapers.
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Just joined CASAA TY for the update, and sry I was missing a paragraph-form in my post, if I don't type whats in my head I forget things. Next time I post a long one I'll remember to care for your eye's!
This country has lost it's bloody mind on almost everything. We trapse around trampling all over our neighbor's rights incessantly yammering about how America is the freest place on earth. Idiots. Europe isn't having issues with such things, yet we are? Hypocrites. Frustrating as all get out to be sure. I just love that scene in In Bruges when Colin Farrell knocks that uppity canuck straight the bleep out... Our Constitution was written with the express interest of making citizens mind their own business. Besides, freedom and safety are entirely incompatible. No law, cop, or right guarantees safety of any kind. Why? Because its an ILLUSION. Death, disease, and injury are all around you every second of every day. All that saves a man is dumb luck and rather than celebrate such liberaringly beautiful truth, we truss it up and proceed to rape the hell out of the very concept with our every thought, word, and deed. Truly, I am ashamed to be an American anymore...
Do any of these cowardly knaves even realize that a brief inhalation of car exhaust is far more lethal than cig smoke? They did a study about a decade ago and found the lungs of a moderate smoker living in a smog choked environ to be healthier than that of a non smoker. Juvenile lunatics, anyway...
Apologies for the rant. I'm simply fed up with others feeling they have right to interfere in our affairs. Inside is one thing, outside they're begging to be shot in the face.
Do any of these cowardly knaves even realize that a brief inhalation of car exhaust is far more lethal than cig smoke? They did a study about a decade ago and found the lungs of a moderate smoker living in a smog choked environ to be healthier than that of a non smoker. Juvenile lunatics, anyway...
Apologies for the rant. I'm simply fed up with others feeling they have right to interfere in our affairs. Inside is one thing, outside they're begging to be shot in the face.
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I have no problem with laws against indoor smoking, although I don't necessarily buy the hysteria about second hand, let alone the new scare THIRD hand smoke. But it is stinky and offensive and should be controlled just like some of the stinky and offensive colognes that used to regularly gag me when I worked in an office full of olfactory challenged women.
But, bans on indoor vaping are just plain stupid. They're based on nothing more than appearance. It looks like you're smoking, so you must be smoking. Even if you're vaping 0 nic juice. Perhaps we should lobby for law against smoke effects at indoor theaters and concert venues on the basis that it looks an awful lot like fire, and fires are dangerous in a building.
So, I'll vape in public anywhere and everywhere I can. I will flaunt it in the hopes of creating an opportunity to demonstrate that vaping is NOT smoking. I will NOT hide it and sneak around, or vape while huddled up in the alley with the smokers.
Moreover, I will NOT vape in public anything that resembles a cigarette. Vaping PV's that look like analogs should be outlawed in public. They teach children that cigarettes are inoffensive and safe. They provide anti's reinforcement to their attempts to conflate vaping and smoking. They sow confusion and do a disservice to the industry and vapers everywhere.
If someone wants to quit smoking enough to achieve results via vaping, they'll get over their newbie insistence that their first PV resemble a cigarette. Only the slick marketers like Blu will be hurt over it.
But, bans on indoor vaping are just plain stupid. They're based on nothing more than appearance. It looks like you're smoking, so you must be smoking. Even if you're vaping 0 nic juice. Perhaps we should lobby for law against smoke effects at indoor theaters and concert venues on the basis that it looks an awful lot like fire, and fires are dangerous in a building.
So, I'll vape in public anywhere and everywhere I can. I will flaunt it in the hopes of creating an opportunity to demonstrate that vaping is NOT smoking. I will NOT hide it and sneak around, or vape while huddled up in the alley with the smokers.
Moreover, I will NOT vape in public anything that resembles a cigarette. Vaping PV's that look like analogs should be outlawed in public. They teach children that cigarettes are inoffensive and safe. They provide anti's reinforcement to their attempts to conflate vaping and smoking. They sow confusion and do a disservice to the industry and vapers everywhere.
If someone wants to quit smoking enough to achieve results via vaping, they'll get over their newbie insistence that their first PV resemble a cigarette. Only the slick marketers like Blu will be hurt over it.
I don't flaunt it on planes and busses out of concern for analog smokers who are jonesing (though I do promote it to them every chance I get).
Elsewhere I vape the same as I would have smoked a cigarette if it was allowed - the more accustomed people become, the more they realize it isn't dangerous and doesn't produce an odor, the less apprehension they have.
I do take the time to point out wherever I see a comment like "The health effects haven't been fully investigated" that nobody has investigated the long term health risks of chanting "Ooga Ooga Booga Booga" once an hour every day, but I am pretty certain that lust like exhaling water vapor, it isn't a health risk - but unlike chanting "Ooga Ooga Booga Booga," electronic cigarettes have the potential to eliminate the cancer risks of tobacco use.
Elsewhere I vape the same as I would have smoked a cigarette if it was allowed - the more accustomed people become, the more they realize it isn't dangerous and doesn't produce an odor, the less apprehension they have.
I do take the time to point out wherever I see a comment like "The health effects haven't been fully investigated" that nobody has investigated the long term health risks of chanting "Ooga Ooga Booga Booga" once an hour every day, but I am pretty certain that lust like exhaling water vapor, it isn't a health risk - but unlike chanting "Ooga Ooga Booga Booga," electronic cigarettes have the potential to eliminate the cancer risks of tobacco use.
I think that non smokers (im now im that category, hurray) have the RIGHT to not breathe second hand smoke. Always have, even when I was a smoker. I've always fully supported non smoking establishments and smoking areas for public places. It really is rude and dangerous to blow cancer in the direction where innocent people and children will breath it and have no say in the matter..........that being said it is total BS what they are pulling with vaping. I dont do it around kids if I can help it, because the fact is they don't know its not smoking and I think smoking is a bad influence. I think most peoples shocked looks are because they think your smoking when they see you exhaling vapor. The public just needs to become more educated about it. Ok thats all.
I think that non smokers (im now im that category, hurray) have the RIGHT to not breathe second hand smoke. Always have, even when I was a smoker. I've always fully supported non smoking establishments and smoking areas for public places. It really is rude and dangerous to blow cancer in the direction where innocent people and children will breath it and have no say in the matter..........that being said it is total BS what they are pulling with vaping. I dont do it around kids if I can help it, because the fact is they don't know its not smoking and I think smoking is a bad influence. I think most peoples shocked looks are because they think your smoking when they see you exhaling vapor. The public just needs to become more educated about it. Ok thats all.
And all of us in the vaping community need to be the educators. Hiding, as some suggest in some threads on this topic, does us no favors. Good post, BTW.
Yes, for sure. I agree. I'll have to wait till I have enough dinero to buy a mod. Right now im using a 510....yea yea I'm a newbie but I don't feel like one anymore. I feel like ive been vaping forever.
I have yet to pull mine out on a bus or in a public building, but it's nice to be at a non-smokers home and be able to vape (with their permission of course).
I love that I don't have to stand outside in the cold. Looking forward to fewer sunburns and bug bites in the coming summer I love that I can vape and then give my daughter kisses and she doesn't complain that I stink! She's also told me how proud she is that I quit using tobacco. Plus I've already noticed a difference in the appearance of my teeth and I've only been vaping exclusively for just under a month.
I love that I don't have to stand outside in the cold. Looking forward to fewer sunburns and bug bites in the coming summer
I love that I can vape and then give my daughter kisses and she doesn't complain that I stink! She's also told me how proud she is that I quit using tobacco. Plus I've already noticed a difference in the appearance of my teeth and I've only been vaping exclusively for just under a month.
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it seems like it was only yesterday when the bans on smoking were being erected for public places such as mall's, restaurants, planes, grocery marts etc there was a call to arms on smokers uniting. We all did it, admit it. The harder a non smoker starter telling us about the "benefits of kicking the habit" the more we still reached for that stick and lit up, the more laws they tried to place they louder we spoke.
Look where it got us.......
Now with articles coming out in recent news about exploding batteries, or Man Arrested for Using Electronic Cigarette on Plane I think we have tried the rather heavy handed approach with cigarette's and lost that battle.
But it would seem there is a new hope, and that would be with vaping. Now i am not saying to sit down, roll over and take everything that is going on -- sure fight with the MP's you need to, get your voice heard, but on the same token when it comes to the general public maybe this time around a more gentle approach is needed. Instead of barging in where you want and getting the pv going, why not meet them half way?
This time 'round a little understand and compassion is going to go along way in winning the war ya know?
here.it seems like it was only yesterday when the bans on smoking were being erected for public places such as mall's, restaurants, planes, grocery marts etc there was a call to arms on smokers uniting. We all did it, admit it. The harder a non smoker starter telling us about the "benefits of kicking the habit" the more we still reached for that stick and lit up, the more laws they tried to place they louder we spoke.
Look where it got us.......
Now with articles coming out in recent news about exploding batteries, or Man Arrested for Using Electronic Cigarette on Plane I think we have tried the rather heavy handed approach with cigarette's and lost that battle.
But it would seem there is a new hope, and that would be with vaping. Now i am not saying to sit down, roll over and take everything that is going on -- sure fight with the MP's you need to, get your voice heard, but on the same token when it comes to the general public maybe this time around a more gentle approach is needed. Instead of barging in where you want and getting the pv going, why not meet them half way?
This time 'round a little understand and compassion is going to go along way in winning the war ya know?
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