FreedomSmokeUSA vs. TheVaporRoom.net

[Memnoch D]

Well I've been a FSUSA customer for almost six months now. But no more! I ordered something from TheVaporRoom.net because FSUSA never has hardware anymore and I wanted to get the new eGo-T.
With this I ordered a lot of different flavors with 30ml nicotine in them. I have been ordering 36mg and upping that to 42 with FSUSA "pure nictone," and still feeling like I needed to vape all day. Well to make a long story short, the 30mg from TheVaporRoom was much stronger then FSUSA 36 and even the 42 that I have been raising it to. So FSUSA you are obviously not accurate with your nicotine levels. I highly recommend any knew customers to try both with the same hardware so you can make a completely accurate judgement, and post what you think here. If you disagree that is fine, but I don't think most of you will. Oh ya and FSUSA you just lost a few customers. I already told everyone I know who I got started vaping on your juices, and told them to try TVR instead and see what they think. I doubt they will be ordering from you again any time soon.

 

[Noodoggy]

I am not one to say that fsusa isnt any good. But I will back you up on how good The Vapor Room is! I won a mt do 24mg 75/25 pg/vg mix. It was awesome! I couldnt put it down! And I think I agree about the nic. I got a pretty good dose of nic from it. I ordered Hazelnt tobacco and caramel too later...and Hazelnut is awesome! Caramel was a little muted but it was still yummy! Those were both 50/50 mix. But I will be ordering from them again. Great prices and really good juices. I really think they take good care to put good quality in the juices. Go Ginger! =)
May your vaping be long lasting!

 

[OregonBill]

I only did one e-liquid order from FSUSA and I didn't get the kick I got from other sites. But I had no real way to measure it other than how much I feel I still needed to vape or smoke.

 

[Sdh]

I have tried the purecig at 36mg and compared it to my own blend (DIY) of 36mg. My finding is that it is giving me the same nicotine hit. I am vaping at 4.6 volts and have a tank going...so YMMV.

 

[hairball]

About a month after I started vaping, I stumbled upon FSUSA. I haven't considered too many other vendors. Their juices are top notch, customer service is outstanding, and shipping is lightning fast. I'm a mod user so not having hardware doesn't bother me. As for nicotine content, I actually had to drop down twice in the past 9 months. I started at 36mg with another vendor, found FSUSA and couldn't vape their 36mg. I started getting terrible headaches. I bought 24mg on my second order and vaped it for about 2 months. Again, terrible headaches started. Now I'm happy at 18mg where I've been at for about 4 months. Their nicotine is just as strong as any other vendor out there.

In comparison to vapor room, there isn't any. I don't like vapor room's juices.

 

[CapableVapable]

Sooo, couldn't this just as easily mean that The Vapor Room is the inaccurate one?

 

[rbrtito]

i havent had any problems with my FSUSA juice either

 

[chimney55]

I've ordered from both FSUSA and the Vapor Room. Not as much from the Vapor Room though. I went with their "suggested ratio of PG/VG". There was too much PG for me in it. I discovered that I was much happier with the 50/50 mix that FSUSA provided with their specialty juices. I've never had any problems with either vendor not providing the nic content that I ordered.

 

[Darth Skirata]

I have ordered from literally a dozen different vendors, both for hardware and juice.
I have to say, based on my sampling of about 150 different juice flavors, that fsusa are both the most delicious and most consistent.

 

[banjo]

I buy juice from 4 different suppliers, and I have never experienced the problem you describe with the juices I get from FSUSA.

 

[Mr. P]

I will agree that FSUSA is short on hardware most of the time but I usually go other places for that anyway. However after using many vendors for juice I always find myself going back to FSUSA for the juices. They have the biggest selection, the most versatile with thier mixes and to me are simply the best.

 

[swedishfish]

Short of asking them or having the nic tested (and I think there are tastes you can do) no way to really know. It could be the pg/vg ratio. Maybe a bottle was mislabeled. Maybe you ordered the wrong strength. I accidently did that myself when I checked the order I make. Could be your hardware, could be your cartos. I also accidently mixed up a box of LR and regular cartomizers. That does affect the taste.

Could even be your taste buds. I went through a stage where I couldn't taste anything at all.

If you think it is the fault of FSUSA, contact them. They appear to be very nice and reputable vendors and I'm sure they'd make it right or check into it if you're unhappy. I always first contact the vendor directly before making any sort of public comment about them.

Strong taste doesn't always mean nicotine strength. Was the pg/vg ratio the same from both?

 

[dormouse]

I buy my hardware from hardware vendors like LiteCigUSA.net, Cignot, Liberty-Flights and my juice from juice vendors. One exception is Vapor4Life - I get their hardware and juice there.

 

[Landlord]

I've never had a problem with fsusa. I think their juice great. I've never tried vapor room tho. I would say compare the mg level with othr vendors as well before making an assumption on one particular vendor....

 

[dripdaddy]

I DIY my juice 95% of the time. FSUSA makes up the other 5%. FSUSA is the only juice vendor that I purchase from. As mentioned earlier, they have a huge selection of flavors. Great customer service and super quick shipping.

 

[Jukei]

I ordered my very first juice supply from FSUSA and got a bunch of testers to see what I might like, not all of them tasted good but the nic felt consistent between them all. Flavors were all nice and strong too. I also got the sweetest little thank you note from all of their kids that made me smile. I would agree with everyone else, maybe the pg/vg mix was different between the juices you tried from each vendor. The viscosity and vapor production of the 2 juices can effect the delivery capabilities of nicotine from each one. A mostly PG blend will deliver more nicotine in less vapor that can knock you on your .... while you feel like you've smoked much less versus a primarily VG blend that will choke you with vapor but deliver very little nicotine and therefore must contain a higher concentration of it. I find that most people don't consider this when they say a juice is weak, its very much related to the carrier of the nicotine and not just the quality or the level of it. If you want to test this out, grind 2 vitamins up and mix one in water and one in mineral oil, tell me which one dissolves better. Naturally the thinner viscosity juice will deliver nicotine to your lungs much better than the thicker one. I would suggest checking that above all else as the vaping device itself makes little difference versus the delivery medium in this case.

 

[Memnoch D]

Well the stuff I was ordering from FSUSA was always a 80pg/20vg blend. And I was also adding 100% pg based pure nicotine that I also ordered from FSUSA to up to nic count on it because I felt the need to vape all day long. So my pg base was probably around 90pg to 10vg by the time I was done doing this. So by what you are saying Jukei is that I should have felt more of the nicotine, and have less cravings since mine was almost all pg based. Also the stuff I first tried from TVR was a 50/50 blend with 30mg of nicotine in it. I could tell the nicotine difference after the first 10 hits. I had to put it down because I was getting (....ed up, sorry for the language) That head rush you got when you had your first cig is similar to what I felt. Even when I smoked I didn't feel the urge to constantly smoke all day. So I don't like having to vape all day, besides that putting all that vapor and flavorings and crap in your lungs isn't good for you at all. So the less I feel that urge the better. According to the calculator I used to mix my "pure nicotine from FSUSA' my stuff was around 42 to 48mg of nicotine, during my experiments with upping the nicotine lvs, since I tried different lvls to see what I needed without getting to much. Unfortunately I never even got close to to much or just enough with there juice and pure nicotine. I could probably drink 10ml of that pure nicotine of theirs and still be fine. (I don't recommend trying that, it could be fatal even though I doubt it because I don't think there pure nicotine fluid is even close to being the 100% they claim it to be.) I also gave one of 42mg nic lvl from FSUSA and one of the 30mg of different lvls of pg and vg to gauge the response from my friends, (I did not tell them it was from seperate vendors, I told them I raised the nic count even higher on the FSUSA stuff just to see if they felt the same way I do about the two vendors juices. Everyone one of them no matter what the pg/vg ratio was from TVR all agreed that the FSUSA juice they have been buying, that I turned them on to, sorry about that guys, my bad. Was not nearly as strong as TVR 30mg stuff that I did not alter an any way.
I don't know I'm feeling ...... off after spending hundreds of dollars ordering from them and promoting them to my friends and people I just seen smoking, I always gave them a card. So yes I feel like I was robbed, and am more then a little bitter about it. WE REALLY NEED A NICOTINE TEST KIT. There are test kits for just about everything now days legal and nonlegal substances both. SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE ONE FOR THIS YET. WOULD HELP A LOT WITH TELLING WHAT VENDORS ARE FULL OF IT, AND WITCH ARE NOT. I don't think most of the vendors would like to see it happen, but it really does need to happen.

 

[Memnoch D]

"Short of asking them or having the nic tested (and I think there are tastes you can do) no way to really know. It could be the pg/vg ratio. Maybe a bottle was mislabeled. Maybe you ordered the wrong strength. I accidently did that myself when I checked the order I make. Could be your hardware, could be your cartos. I also accidently mixed up a box of LR and regular cartomizers. That does affect the taste.

Could even be your taste buds. I went through a stage where I couldn't taste anything at all.

If you think it is the fault of FSUSA, contact them. They appear to be very nice and reputable vendors and I'm sure they'd make it right or check into it if you're unhappy. I always first contact the vendor directly before making any sort of public comment about them.

Strong taste doesn't always mean nicotine strength. Was the pg/vg ratio the same from both?"

At this point the only thing they could do to make it right is to give me back all the money I've spent with them, and I don't think they are going to do that.

 

[Memnoch D]

I have ordered from literally a dozen different vendors, both for hardware and juice.
I have to say, based on my sampling of about 150 different juice flavors, that fsusa are both the most delicious and most consistent.

I will agree with you that there juices are very tasty and consistent with the flavorings, but just being tasty isn't doing the job. If I just wanted something that taste good I would just buy a pizza or some soda or something.

 

[mauisun]

Pamela and I have always operated at the strictest levels. we get our nicotine in 100 mg/ml and blend down to 0-36mg From the finest nicotine extracts available in the U.S We pay a huge premium for this. We use strict math doing this. the nicotine is by far the finest purchasable. Our math for our pg/vg is extremely strict along with our math on flavourart additives.
never heard of our nicotine being sub-par to anyone else out there, or inferior or anything else. I invite anyone to taste our products and see they are the finest you can buy.
This debate started in a forum we were not allowed to post in by rules here. we asked it be moved to a forum where we can reply. Comparing us to some company we have never heard of is truly not fair, but expected in this very competitive field.
Our reply is, basically both of us are not happy with being compared to some other company, with nicotine we have no idea where they purchase from. We, as a company have U.S. msds sheets on all of our products. We blend under stringent strict standards.
For one person to complain here that they could just drink our juice and have no ill-affects from it, well, I don't recommend anyone try that. Nicotine is dangerous when ingested orally as anyone would agree.
We have a good enough reputation in the community at-large, and thousands of walk-in customers to our first of it's kind true vape-lounge in the U.S. that we feel our products speak for themselves.
We are also the only true OSHA inspected facility of it's kind in this industry who has weathered full insepctions of not only our procedures, but our ingredients and methods of mixing. I invite anyone else who blends and sells juices on the ECF forum to hold themselves to such strict standards.
feel free to ask the other companies you purchase from to prove they have our standards, or are not blending in their own kitchen or using non-kosher vg ingredients, or nicotine from some obscure place.
FSUSA will always be at the forefront of safety, not just for ourselves but for our customers as well. Tasty or not, our juices are consistently made from the finest ingredients on the planet, in a totally safe environment, that is not in our own home.
David & Pam and the FSUSA crew