G-Tank-US-CO-OP Support Thread

[lorderos33]

I agree with the nic comment. I am still vaping 24mg on my genny. It's pretty good vape but can be harsh at times since the nic effect is greater. On a regular atty. I could vape and vape and vape and never feel satisfied. This numbs my thoat, gives me a buzz and can put the dam thing down and go about my work day. Makes nic cravings go away. I love it. On a side note, can I effectively use ss wick as dripper only? Or would it burn the juice so fast it be ineffective?

It can 100% definitely be used effectively as a dripper. I have done this many times with my experiments. You just have to drip more often. The wick, depending on size will hold little more than 3 drops at a time so you get about 2 or 3 drags at a time. Maybe if there was a well to hold 5 or 10 drops and the coil 1/4 - 1/2 inch over the well with the wick dipping into it you would more drags between drips, but the us g-tank will have a bunch of room for this so I would think it would work well.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I will be out of town tomorrow as both of my sons will be competing in a band compitition in Valdasta GA, I will be out early and in late so I will not be able to do any updates tomorrow. But I will be back in the saddle on Sun and catch back up.
Thanks for understanding,

If anyone is in valdosta tomorrow and wants to try the G-Tank-US, I will have it with me. The band compatition should not be to hard to find.
Dan

 

[lorderos33]

What is the difference between a "US G-Tank" and a "G-Tank"?

Is the Genisis model patented??

Is there a copyright on the name?

Who makes the "G-Tank"?

G-tank was made by ooSturmoo in Poland, is compact and holds about 1.3 ml of juice in the tank.

US G-Tank is by Scubabatdan with full permission from ooSturmoo.

The Genisis is patented by Raidy and given to all for free as long as they are made for personal use or in batches at cost such as this co-op. Raidy has stipulated that since he is giving this invention to all for free, that any co-op should be not for profit. As long as we follow this rule, we can make them to our hearts content.

I do not know if the term Genisis is copyrighted or not, but the method of producing vapor using a SS mesh wick is.

For the answer to the last question, read the above .

 

[asdaq]

G-tank was made by ooSturmoo in Poland, is compact and holds about 1.3 ml of juice in the tank.

Not to nitpick, but it isn't 1.3ml, rather 1.8ml, and raidy meant mesh when he wrote mash, just a spelling error, see his sig.

edit: I can't insert Dan's pic for some reason, but when you burn the juice on the wick to oxidize, it is more effective to hold it upright and light it at the top and let the flame travel down so the tip of the flame makes the wick glow as it travels downward. The blue part of the flame is cooler and doesn't oxidize well. I do like the torch and quench method, but usually just burn juice about eight times as it is a simpler procedure.

 

[Moonlit knight]

Dan, I don't feel right about you not being able to take fair compensation for assembly. If you feel a 12 year old could do it, I probably could manage as long as we have the instructional video and the screw pre-drilled. So, however it comes assembled or not , I won't complain. When you are doing this as a boon to the vaping community you do not need extra work piled on to you. Thank you for doing this project. How 'bout them CARDINALS!

 

[Lucacri]

Holy cow, i stepped aside from this thread for a couple days and a lot of new stuff shows up

I'd like to send the money to Scubabatdan, I already got the excel file etc. Is there anything else that i need to do? Any notes on the paypal transaction?

 

[Robert T]

All that is on the first post of the co-op thread. The link to the co-op thread is in the first post of this thread.

Robert

Holy cow, i stepped aside from this thread for a couple days and a lot of new stuff shows up

I'd like to send the money to Scubabatdan, I already got the excel file etc. Is there anything else that i need to do? Any notes on the paypal transaction?

 

[tjc516]

Let me post again. I will not accept any new preassemblies. If you paid for a preassembly I will return your money immediatly via paypal. Please PM me. If you have not paid yet and have requested a preassembly I will complete the preassebly free you do not need to pay for it.

I hope this satifies the problems I have incurred by my ignorance. My apologies to the forum and co-op moderators for any problems I have caused.
Dan

Dan i'm sorry but i dont understand why you have to do this. Your not making profit off the parts all your doing is asking for money for your time doing assembly.

This is why i don't understand, i got to Ikea buy a entertainment center. I go can and hire someone to put it together for me without violating any copyright laws. The only issue that is see if combining the co-op and assembly. Just make a new thread stating (FS) Assembly of G-Tank-US, no? At that point your just selling services. Its really ridiculous that people would give you problems with all the work you do for this community for free and usually at your own expense with all the prototypes you make with you own money before getting to the final design....

It comes down to this, greedy people are punishing the people who do so much for this community.

I'm sorry but i'm very upset about this and i didn't even ask for assembly, all Dan wants to do is help and spend his free time helping others and now he can't even be compensated for it. Or its possible i don't know anything or i misunderstood why this happened.

 

[yvilla]

TJ, I think you missed Dan's first post with the why of this issue. It's not a "copyright" issue at all, and not coming from the genisis or G developers at all. It's a matter of the forum rules - the ruling was Dan would have be registered here at ECF as a "supplier" if he were to be paid for assembly, and he does not want to change his status that way, as being a "supplier" carries all sorts of consequences.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not hard to see the solution though. Any and all of us who have already asked for assembly can simply send along that $10 as a donation when we pay for the materials (the final costs with the "donation" amount have already been posted a couple of times). Problem solved!

 

[alekos557]

This is my first co-op, and I would just like to thank Dan for the opportunity to be involved. This has got to be a Pain in the Hindmost, and a massive drain on the Family time.

 

[tjc516]

TJ, I think you missed Dan's first post with the why of this issue. It's not a "copyright" issue at all, and not coming from the genisis or G developers at all. It's a matter of the forum rules - the ruling was Dan would have be registered here at ECF as a "supplier" if he were to be paid for assembly, and he does not want to change his status that way, as being a "supplier" carries all sorts of consequences.

Thank you yvilla i did miss that post. But to be honest that doesn't change my stance on why he can't charge for it. The forum admins are being very ignorant if they think assembly is supplying. He's offering a service for a small donation to his R&D fund.... That doesn't sound like a supplier to me he's a service provider which are two totally different things.

I'm a IT engineer/architect for the City of New York and i definitely know the difference between both and there is a actually a distinction written into the state policy, so i don't understand why we cant follow the same rules here.

Simplified
Suppliers = You give them money they give you products
Service Providers = You give them money and they offer help/advice on projects

And seriously even if you don't listen to what is written above. An exception should be made for Dan, all he does he does for the community, all the money he's spent to enrich our lives without asking for anything in return. He could become a supplier and sell all his inventions at ridiculous prices and we'd buy them, because honestly all his inventions are awesome and desired. Look at the co-op last time i checked it was close to 300 people, think if he was a supplier he could sell them for double and we'd still buy them, but he doesn't because he's selfless, but the forum admins have to be unreasonable even for someone that has enriched our community.

Dan - If i made a website/forum to run your co-ops on without any interference from admins to hold you back, would you be willing to use it specifically for the co-ops and nothing else. Then you wouldn't have to worry about becoming a "supplier" and actually get some donations for all your hard work?

I'm sorry if i'm admin bashing but it really has upset me, he's not spamming the forums saying FOR SALE, FOR SALE, he's offering help...

My apologizes for the rant, i just had to get it off my chest and i probably shouldn't be making such a big deal but ignorance really upsets me.

Thanks for reading, criticism is accepted and will be replied to but rude comments will be ignored...

Todd

 

[Killjoy1]

I understand your point, but the forum rules are in place for a reason. Bending said rules or trying to get around them can potentially have repercussions for the forum, maybe not in this particular case, but if exceptions are made here than it opens a whole 'nother can of worms down the road for similar arguments in situations where it definitely wouldn't be acceptable to bend the rules.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that "it ain't gonna happen" ;-) Arguing the point is only going to rile people up, which is bad both for this co-op and for the possibility of future co-ops. Rules are rules and we abide by them in order to continue enjoying this community to its fullest

 

[abah]

If you want to donate, then do it as a token of appreciation. I will do my part. $10 is not a big deal as compare to the time spend making our life wonderfull Thanks a million Dan.

 

[tjc516]

I understand your point, but the forum rules are in place for a reason. Bending said rules or trying to get around them can potentially have repercussions for the forum, maybe not in this particular case, but if exceptions are made here than it opens a whole 'nother can of worms down the road for similar arguments in situations where it definitely wouldn't be acceptable to bend the rules.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that "it ain't gonna happen" ;-) Arguing the point is only going to rile people up, which is bad both for this co-op and for the possibility of future co-ops. Rules are rules and we abide by them in order to continue enjoying this community to its fullest

I understand rules are rules but the point i'm really just trying to make is that there should be a distinction put in the rules that allows selling of assembly services within a co-op, since technically it is different than being a supplier.

And if people get riled up by someone expressing his opinions then there definitely is something wrong with the rules.

Ill stop now...

 

[bp400]

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[ainako]

All I know is, if Dan starts making his co-ops somewhere else, I would like to know where so I can sign up . I would also like to add that I am very excited that I will be getting my p+18650 next week, and that I will have 2 genisis LVs possibly shipping next week, and I am good for 4 g-tank-us with 2 drip tops. Vaping life is about to get really good

 

[bp400]

are you gonna be at the so cal vape meet in November? I'd like to see those Genisis.

 

[Maz]

UH OH!!
Raidy is an ECF Member!!
Are you sure that he has patents on the original design?
Cuz if he does, this Co-Op is in danger of violating a copyrighted design.....

The Genisis is patented by Raidy and given to all for free as long as they are made for personal use or in batches at cost such as this co-op. Raidy has stipulated that since he is giving this invention to all for free, that any co-op should be not for profit. As long as we follow this rule, we can make them to our hearts content.
I do not know if the term Genisis is copyrighted or not, but the method of producing vapor using a SS mesh wick is.

I've said this a few times now, as have others but I do not believe the "method of producing vapor using a SS mesh wick" is either patented by Raidy or even patentable. There is too much prior art around, SS mesh wicks certainly pre-date Raidy's (admittedly brilliant) idea of using them for this particular application, they are not new.

I don't want to start any arguments and am well aware this can be a contentious issue, also I am happy to be proved wrong, but has anyone ever seen the patent? I hear lots of talk of it and it appears to be accepted as fact but I do not personally believe it exists. Patents are very difficult and extremely expensive to obtain, why would any sane, intelligent man ( as Raidy undoubtedly is) go through all the expense of trying to obtain one when he has put the application out there for anyone to use freely? Their usual purpose afterall is to protect profits.

I admire Raidy's work, he is undoubtedly an extremely talented modder, I do have a problem with this 'not for profit' stranglehold on any device capable of supporting an SS mesh wick though. I don't believe it's doing any vaper any favours because it's keeping a lot of possible advances from us as not everybody is as unbelievably generous as Dan and nobody can eat kudos.

I believe he may hold a copyright on the name "Genesis" but no patent, the basic idea was out in the public domain before it was even thought of for our application. Until this 'patent' is produced it's basically a courtesy to Raidy if somebody acquiesces to his wishes and produces a 'genesis' supporting atty on a non-profit basis, not a legal requirement.

There are also many ways around it even if it was patented so it's basically unenforceable anyway, the simplest and most obvious would be to produce a tank device that is designed to utilise a vertical fibreglass wick and sell that for profit. You cannot then be held responsible for people retrofitting an SS wick, just as people use them in Iatties and whatever. Again, if you run fibreglass through the centre of an SS wick is it still "genesis"?

Dan is a very generous and obviously honourable man, I doubt many of us could honestly say we'd do what he does, repeatedly.

 

[asdaq]

Maz, this isn't the bible or Phil Collins, get your spelling right: genisis. Furthermore, are you up to speed on EU patent regulation? Has your experience with Germany shown you a lack of thoroughness? There are modders that are quite satisfied in other areas of life, particularly in their careers, that this is simply a fun hobby. Just look at raidy's vacation record over the last year.

Beyond all of that, challenges following the art of yours, only increase the liklihood of discouraging some great modders from ever sharing again.

sent from my HTC genisis using Tapatalk

 

[Vaporologist]

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to start a new thread for this topic, for those who are interested in it...