Gear up folks. The end is near.

[ACM]

It's closing in on 2012 for e-cigarettes in America. I would wager that, within a year, electronic cigarettes and accessories will be fully banned. No more replacement atomizers or batteries, no more cartridges, no more e-juice.

It's time to face the facts. We hope that e-smoking is safe. We assume that, since propylene glycol is generally considered safe for human consumption that it is equally safe for inhalation. We all so desperately hope to find a way to continue smoking without smoking; to enjoy the sensation with none of the risks. So we buy into the hype and promises of e-cigarette manufacturers and complain when the government doesn't share our optimism.

But nobody on this forum knows for certain that we haven't just traded one serious poison for another. And nobody know for sure that e-smoking won't end up killing us just as surely and horribly as smoking tobacco would. And it just might do so faster than the 20+ years it generally takes for analogs to do the job.

TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON E-CIGS, CARTS, AND THE VAPOR THEY PRODUCE. NOW. PERIOD.

We don't need anymore petitions, or letters, or rants. We need cold, hard, legitimate scientific data to support the belief that e-smoking is harmless to the vaper and to those in his/her immediate vicinity.

Without government-recognized studies backing us up, we don't stand a chance of saving the e-cigarette industry. And we're all going to have to face the idea that we'll either be quitting nicotine altogether very, very soon, or we'll all be going back to smoking analogs.

 

[shorty70]

Cheers to you too...I will remain optomistic.

 

[Turco Chips]

lol - not until they pry it from my cold dead hands...!

You think customs inpects every package?

TC

 

[ThaLadyD]

The FDA has openly admitted they wouldn't be able to stop the import of electronic cigarettes, so I'm optimistic about it!



Are alot of you stocking up yet?

 

[mwa102464]

pfffffit no way we all will be vaping for a long long time

 

[TropicalBob]

Actually, I think ACM's post is dead-on.

There will be no cute end runs around the law once it is articulated and enforced. You most certainly will NOT order from China and expect delivery. The reasons that's a fact have been explained many times on this forum.

But it's not our responsibility to obtain approval for e-cigs and e-liquid. That's the responsibility of the manufacturers. And they have let us down -- royally. Only Ruyan made any attempt to scientifically determine what we're doing .. and Ruyan is near bankruptcy and facing a possible hostile buyout, according to published reports.

Other companies took their inflated profits and laughed all the way to the bank.

We do not have the studies needed by e-smoking for regulatory approval. So e-smoking faces a ban.

What we need is governmental intervention to enable fast-tracking of new technology with the potential to save lives of inveterate smokers. Those are the addicts who can't quit, won't quit, and fail on Big Pharma's NRT products. They deserve a chance to try e-smoking.

What should be done is to issue a series of timed demands for achievement, much as was done with the bailout of the auto industry. You (e-cig makers) will cease health claims immediately; you will childproof everything within three months; you will submit lab tests on all liquids within six months; you will provide clinical trial results for quitting smokers within one year. Until then, you remain conditionally approved for distribution and sale. Should your products prove injurious, you will be held fully accountable for all damages. If you do not agree, you may not sell in America.

 

[ACM]

Turco Chips, I am with you 100%. Hell, they might just have to bury me with my fingers eternally locked around my e-cig!

But seriously, what will we be vaping in a few months or so? When the supply of e-juice dries up, what's next? Raw VG from Walmart, with no nicotine or flavor? Bleah.

Vaping is heading for the same destiny as moonshine during prohibition. The government, in its infinite wisdom, is creating the climate for underground, illegal manufacture and distribution of e-juice of questionable quality. Unscrupulous people will begin mixing in all kinds of weird chemicals to lower their production costs and boost their profit margin. It'll be like adding formaldehyde to beer in the Old West.

It's funny, but by banning e-smoking in the name of public health, the stage is being set for the introduction of far greater health risks.

 

[donnellyk]

So I should be collecting EVERYthing? Suggestions? Help a happy vaper out here...

 

[Darmeen]

How can they ban a battery?

They certainly aren't going to ban VG and PG liquid...it is used in too many things...and readily available in stores.

Flavorings can be easily obtained...and they aren't looking to ban liquid nicotine either, the big pharma companies wouldn 't stand for that.

It may become a tad more difficult to buy a complete kit, but the pieces and parts will be there.

Much like when the government came down on Napster for the P2P file sharing, Napster had to go legit, but the idea of file sharing continued...

Where there is a will....

 

[ACM]

What should be done is to issue a series of timed demands for achievement, much as was done with the bailout of the auto industry. You (e-cig makers) will cease health claims immediately; you will childproof everything within three months; you will submit lab tests on all liquids within six months; you will provide clinical trial results for quitting smokers within one year. Until then, you remain conditionally approved for distribution and sale. Should your products prove injurious, you will be held fully accountable for all damages. If you do not agree, you may not sell in America.

Now THIS is the right way to handle the current crisis. It's a fair, logical system for conditionally continuing to do business in America. Of course, the part about manufacturers agreeing to be "held fully accountable for all damages" would never fly, the rest of what you say is totally reasonable and doable.

Let's all start emailing these ideas to the e-cig and e-juice companies and motivate them to get going on self-regulation!

 

[Turco Chips]

Maybe the juice mixers can come up with a "burnt piece of xxxx" flavor. ...maybe that would make the people that have the good flavor = marketed to kids mantra happy.


TC

 

[ACM]

Much like when the government came down on Napster for the P2P file sharing, Napster had to go legit, but the idea of file sharing continued...

Nobody's health was potentially at risk because of file sharing. And Napster simply became a paid service, like iTunes. With e-cigs, it's way different.

And while, no, they can't ban a battery, you can believe that they'll ban e-juice outright and liquid nicotine for private, non-licensed purchasers.

Basically, what you're saying is that we're all destined to turn our basements into some kind of "e-juice .... labs" to be able to continue to produce stuff to vape. Which will lead to inconsistent quality, contamination, possible nicotine poisoning, and a host of other problems. Not to mention the fact that it would probably be illegal to produce e-juice at home.

I am not trying to be argumentative, here. Just realistic. The end really is near, and the sooner we all accept it, the better.

Now is the time to start stocking up on e-juice. Buy varying nicotine levels, and start stepping down to zero milligrams. Wean off the stuff while you can do so with the aid of your e-cigs, so when the ban comes down, you're no longer a consumer of nicotine at all.

 

[TropicalBob]

To me, the one essential I could be denied is the atomizer. So I'm stocking atomizers. I have found, and demonstrated in a YouTube video, how to use a mini snus pouch soaked in vegetable glycerine, stuffed into a cart, and vaporized. I get it all .. nicotine and the whole tobacco alkaloids missing from commercial e-liquids. Plus, great tasty vapor.

Every component for e-smoking I can find or replace, except atomizers should they be included in a ban. So they're my acquisition target.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

So I should be collecting EVERYthing? Suggestions? Help a happy vaper out here...

One word ... IOLITE

 

[quiet noobz]

It's closing in on 2012 for e-cigarettes in America. I would wager that, within a year, electronic cigarettes and accessories will be fully banned. No more replacement atomizers or batteries, no more cartridges, no more e-juice.

It's time to face the facts. We hope that e-smoking is safe. We assume that, since propylene glycol is generally considered safe for human consumption that it is equally safe for inhalation. We all so desperately hope to find a way to continue smoking without smoking; to enjoy the sensation with none of the risks. So we buy into the hype and promises of e-cigarette manufacturers and complain when the government doesn't share our optimism.

But nobody on this forum knows for certain that we haven't just traded one serious poison for another. And nobody know for sure that e-smoking won't end up killing us just as surely and horribly as smoking tobacco would. And it just might do so faster than the 20+ years it generally takes for analogs to do the job.

TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON E-CIGS, CARTS, AND THE VAPOR THEY PRODUCE. NOW. PERIOD.

We don't need anymore petitions, or letters, or rants. We need cold, hard, legitimate scientific data to support the belief that e-smoking is harmless to the vaper and to those in his/her immediate vicinity.

Without government-recognized studies backing us up, we don't stand a chance of saving the e-cigarette industry. And we're all going to have to face the idea that we'll either be quitting nicotine altogether very, very soon, or we'll all be going back to smoking analogs.

i totally feel we traded one serious poison for another.

i am going to try to quit the e-cig soon and not go back to real cigs.

i think that e-cigs are just as terrible as real ones, and more costly if you become obsessed with it.

sometimes i get large pains in my lower right and left near the stomach/abdomen from vaping consistent long draws.

my nose sometimes feels like a rock and hurts to move it from constantly blowing the vapor through my nostrils

lower side pains and nose pains are enough to conclude it's a terrible thing

we must seek the Lord and give up these alternatives which are indeed another unclean fleshly lust for the mind-altering nicotine

grace and peace to you all from our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Birdy]

i totally feel we traded one serious poison for another.

i am going to try to quit the e-cig soon and not go back to real cigs.

i think that e-cigs are just as terrible as real ones, and more costly if you become obsessed with it.

we must seek the Lord and give up these alternatives which are indeed another unclean fleshly lust for the mind-altering nicotine

Well, you have fun in that mountain retreat trying not to consume any brain altering substances.... like coffee, sugar, or food.

But seriously, good luck with quitting if that's the road you choose.

 

[Vapinginjapan]

Actually, I think ACM's post is dead-on.

There will be no cute end runs around the law once it is articulated and enforced. You most certainly will NOT order from China and expect delivery. The reasons that's a fact have been explained many times on this forum.

But it's not our responsibility to obtain approval for e-cigs and e-liquid. That's the responsibility of the manufacturers. And they have let us down -- royally. Only Ruyan made any attempt to scientifically determine what we're doing .. and Ruyan is near bankruptcy and facing a possible hostile buyout, according to published reports.

(snip)

Here, tropical bob, I feel you are mistaken.

There are TWO companies that have submitted to scientific testing. Ruyuan and Intellicig(ecopure). No?

 

[ZoSo15]

But nobody on this forum knows for certain that we haven't just traded one serious poison for another.

We traded 4000 for one.

I know this hasn't been proven yet. But your pessimism is unfounded. What makes you think that this stuff is that deadly? Showing doubt about the health benefits of vaping in replace of smoking just makes the government think we have something to hide.

 

[Unfettered]

The most I think they could do is ban the e-juice. They can't possibly outlaw batteries or atomizers. Intent means nothing, as is demonstrated by the legal paraphernalia that one can buy at any head shop that is obviously used for illicit purposes.

I don't think there will come a time that we can't buy e-cigs, we just all may have to become do-it-yourselfers.

I honestly cannot see how they could even ban juice, though. None of the components are illegal. PG is used for medicinal inhalation. I don't know how they could justify it.

I think they will likely ban it anywhere smoking is banned, but even that may come down to individual states.

 

[ladysolitary85]

Heres my take. E-cigs will still be around, but there will probebly be some loopholes through it. Either strictly buying from licensed manufactures or only using prefilled carts. What I think most liquid manufactures should do is do what Johnson Creek is doing. They're doing all they can to follow the FDA (child safety caps, warning labels, indgredient labels etc). They may have it to where you can either only purchase it online or in a drug store with I.D. which I think they should I.D. anyways since that is after all one of their main issues is the safety of the children.

I am quite happy with vaping and I will continue to do so. I don't believe for a second that a e-cig is just as bad as analogs. E-cigs don't have nearly as many chemicals as a analog. Are they safe? Well is anything we inhale safe? What about alcohol... is it safe? We might as well wrap ourselves in bubble wrap for everyone to be happy.