Does anybody really still use trains for transportation?!
I'm on one right this minute... Stealth vaping too... Lol
Does anybody really still use trains for transportation?!
Does anybody really still use trains for transportation?!
Just wanted to offer some insight from a (former) frequent rider - the "no personal vaporizer" (e-cigarette) policy is, in fact, costing you business. My money and corporate funds have not been and will not be spent with Amtrak until it revises this policy; a policy that appears to have no articulated rational basis. This policy was posted at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/travel-e-cig/111829-amtrak-responds-vaping-inquiry.html and I am sure that others have forgone and will continue to forgo traveling with Amtrak as a result.
All the best,
Adam B. Tredwell
President, Vermont Vapor, Inc.
Since I (and my company) used to spend (before they came out with this policy) hundreds of dollars every week on Amtrak travel (and have ceased to do so since this policy was articulated), I have received numerous "offers" trying to get me to start riding again. I finally decided I would let them know precisely why I am no longer using their services. Bellow is the letter I sent:
I suppose I should have sent it sooner. I've always just voted with my wallet. However, as was recently pointed out to me, if I don't provide an explanation, it rarely proves fruitful if the goal is to change the offending policy or behavior. ~~Adam
I use the train often. Guess I'm going to be forced to ask the brat kid to pull my finger and let out my own brand of volatile and obtrusive vapors
Since I (and my company) used to spend (before they came out with this policy) hundreds of dollars every week on Amtrak travel (and have ceased to do so since this policy was articulated), I have received numerous "offers" trying to get me to start riding again. I finally decided I would let them know precisely why I am no longer using their services. Bellow is the letter I sent:
I suppose I should have sent it sooner. I've always just voted with my wallet. However, as was recently pointed out to me, if I don't provide an explanation, it rarely proves fruitful if the goal is to change the offending policy or behavior. ~~Adam
I can understand Amtrak's policy. Amtrak runs through many states where vaping has been banned. The Conductors would have to know every states laws governing vaping, and be accountable for enforcing compliance. Since vaping is relatively new, and laws are in a state of flux, this may be why Amtrak policy is a flat "no"... at this point in time.
This reminds me of train travel and "dry" states. Club cars are closed and no alcohol served. Some states prohibit all alcohol; some are more lenient and allow beer & wine, no spirits. Some states have restrictions on hours and days for serving/purchase. Yes, Conductors have to know this, and keep abrest of any/all changes to state & local laws where their trains transit.
Any one remember when legal drinking age was 18 in some localities, and 21 in others? Conductors had to have an encyclopedic knowledge of when & where their passengers could imbibe. LOL. A bit of train travel trivia.
I personally think that once everyone stops calling them electronic cigarettes, things will start to get better. We need to split ourselves from our analog pasts and doing it on this site would be a good start. I personally do not use standard PV but pre-built mods like the V3 which does not look like a cigarette for a reason.
I disagree. The policy is based on misinformation and lies about the nature of vapor and ecigs, whether they've factored in some hypothetical passenger's disapproval or not - because that very passenger disapproval or paranoia is itself based on the misinformation or outright lies being spread everywhere about ecigs.
Vapor is most definitely NOT smoke. Vapor is harmless, odorless and wholly inoffensive, and there is no defensible or rational basis to prohibit the use of ecigs on trains, or in any other public places.
Nor is there any need or reason to blow "billows" of vapor at people either, however. Common sense and common courtesy are all that is required. When I used my ecig throughout a two day there and back train trip recently, no one even knew about it.
I can understand Amtrak's policy. Amtrak runs through many states where vaping has been banned. The Conductors would have to know every states laws governing vaping, and be accountable for enforcing compliance. Since vaping is relatively new, and laws are in a state of flux, this may be why Amtrak policy is a flat "no"... at this point in time.
This is a copy of a response I received from Amtrak, concerning Vaping:
Well that's too bad. I guess the 6 people who actually ride Amtrack are gonna be .......
As much as I agree with all the evidence, two issues still remain.
First, the train is owned and operated by Amtrak. If they allowing vaping, it's a privilege. If they do not, it's their right to do so. I don't think any law would/could change that right.
Second, I hold common courtesy high above most social interactions. Even thought others do not. Yes, I am annoyed at loud talkers (cell phone or otherwise), bad perfume, and irritable bowls. However, unfortunately those are things that are not widely stigmatized as smoking or socially similar vaping. It's about social acceptability.
All that being said, I will stealth vape if the need arises. Childish or not.