General questions about dripping

[Vwls]

Hi everyone - hope you're all having a great weekend.

I tried dripping for the first time yesterday and I really love how well you can taste the flavors of your juices. However, other than trying out new juice, it's crazy to have to keep dripping bits of liquid a few drops at a time in order to vape.

So do I understand this correctly? There are drip atomizer systems that have been encased in a tank so that you get the same flavor as dripping, without the constant refilling process? Is that what the Caravela Vela Latina is?

If I have this right,

1) Do these systems not have wicks or other material in them to deliver the juice to the coil?

2) If no wicks or carto material, does that mean these systems are way less expensive to maintain/rebuild?

3) What parts in them need to be replaced when they wear out? Mesh?

4) What in your opinion are the best dripping atomizer tank systems out there?

Thanks for any information you can give - I am dead set on getting a Caravela but in case that doesn't pan out (as they are super hard to get), I'd like to know my other options... and also, I wouldn't mind setting one of these up on my Provari.

 

[jg1986]

There are genesis style atomizers. Most of these use stainless steel mesh instead of silica for wicks. Yes, there are wicks and coils. Some are easier to rebuild than others. Rebuilding is required when the coil goes bad, same principal as a dripper that uses silica. As to what mod to use, its up to you. A provari will work for these types of atomizers, however, you can not use coils with a resistance lower than 1.2 because of the protection circuit in the provari. A mechanical mod like a caravela, there is not protection circuit, so the device will fire at any resistance. Unless you have an unlimited supply of money, I would not even attempt at getting a caravela because of the resale prices. They are extremely expensive, and virtually impossible to get from the manufacturer. There are plenty of other mechanical mods out there that perform the same if not better than the vela. There is the nemesis, poldiac, chi you, launcher, titan, private, rook, gp paps, ggts, origin, launcher, chronis, NZonic V3 If you do decide to go mechanical, I recommend starting with a K100. Check out the rebuildable atomizer forum and the mechanical mod forum. There is loads of information. Also, youtube has loads of reviews and tutorials. Check out PBusardo's videos and JC West's videos both have loads of information on both mechanical mods and rebuildable atomizers.

 

[Baditude]

I tried dripping for the first time yesterday and I really love how well you can taste the flavors of your juices. However, other than trying out new juice, it's crazy to have to keep dripping bits of liquid a few drops at a time in order to vape.

So do I understand this correctly? There are drip atomizer systems that have been encased in a tank so that you get the same flavor as dripping, without the constant refilling process? Is that what the Caravela Vela Latina is?

I'm not familiar with the specific Caravela model you speak of....too rich for my pocketbook I would guess.

There have recently been tanks that have been offered on the market that you can use an atomizer submerged into a specialized tank (AMP Tank - by Avid Vapor), and special atomizers (Killer, Terminator) that allegedly can be put into any cartotank. I believe these all have had some mixed reviews both pro and con, and I have no personal experience with any of them.

1) Do these systems not have wicks or other material in them to deliver the juice to the coil?

No wicks, just juice fed directly to the atomizer.

2) If no wicks or carto material, does that mean these systems are way less expensive to maintain/rebuild?

The initial outlay for the AMP tank was over $120 if I'm not mistaken (Avid Vapor) for a single tank. The genuine Killer and Terminator atty's were also rather expensive. But if they work and have a long life expectancy, I could see the need for replacement cartomizers become obsolete. I'm not sure that they have been perfected to that point yet.

3) What parts in them need to be replaced when they wear out? Mesh?

Not sure. No mesh used. It's probable that in the case of the Killer/Terminator attys the coil may need to be rebuilt at some point.

4) What in your opinion are the best dripping atomizer tank systems out there?

I would personally go with a tried and true bottom feeder box mod. These are mostly mechanical mods, but the Reo does have a variable voltage model. http://www.reosmods.com/

I own a Vapage VMod-XL. It is a mechanical bottom feeder mod that uses an ordinary drip atomizer. The battery (2000 mah 18650 IMR) and removable juice tank (9 ml) both fit inside the box. A window in the mod allows you to "squonk" or squeeze the juice bottle to feed juice up to the atomizer, the same as if you were dripping, but with the convenience of a tank. The VMod is also available in a smaller model (VMod 2.0) using a smaller battery (700 mah 14500 battery) and smaller tank (4 ml) for the same price.

http://www.vapage.com/V_MOD_s/173.htm

These VMods have recently enjoyed a re-newed popularity. I'm using and enjoying mine as much as my Provari's and IBTanked cartotanks. The one in the first pic below is mine.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-feed-apv-discussion/403576-lets-talk-about-vmod-calling-all-vmodders-those-interested-vmod.html


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The Vapemate by Super T Manufacturing is an add-on delivery attachment that will allow any tube-style tank become a bottom feeder tank. The blemished ones are in stock and only $30.
https://www.supertmanufacturing.com/vapemate.html

 

[jefsview]

Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[BigLebowski]

The submersible atomizers are rebuildable and will either require you to rewick/coil them or buy replacements, I eventually will buy the Diver from Atmistique but I don't really want to deal with non-resistance wire right now.

 

[Vwls]

As always, Bad providing useful knowledge.

So that's why people love their box mods so much - they feed juice right to the coil so there's no wick or any thing else to get between you and the flavor of your juice, and no need to stop and drip. I get it now - thank you! My only issue with them is the aesthetics - I hate to be such a girl, but I'm just not crazy about the way they look. Probably why I will keep trying to get a Caravela - they are exquisitely beautiful - works of art, if you will. I fell in love with the Caravela the first time I saw a picture of one, and my love afdair with them only gets stronger.

I mean, just look at this:

Now imagine something this beautiful delivering the best vaping experience you have ever had...

Reading up a bit (thank you also to jg1986), I would also like to get my hands on the "Pap" and perhaps they are easier to obtain?

I love how small they are (and they do resemble the Caravelas), but I have no idea about the vape quality...

Thanks you so much for schooling me - I truly appreciate it.

 

[Baditude]

The Caravela's are undoubtedly extremely beautiful. Probably the most beautiful mods made, IMHO. However, I could not see one being an all-everything, all-day vaping device. I'd never take one out of the house. Likely would only keep one in a display case, not trusting my clumsy ways. That first scratch would be the same as the first scratch on a brand new car. And what good of a vape would that be?

 

[Vwls]

The Caravela's are undoubtedly extremely beautiful. Probably the most beautiful mods made, IMHO. However, I could not see one being an all-everything, all-day vaping device. I'd never take one out of the house. Likely would only keep one in a display case, not trusting my clumsy ways. That first scratch would be the same as the first scratch on a brand new car. And what good of a vape would that be?

I hear you. I don't take my Provari out with me - for one it's too heavy, and of course, I'm worried about something bad happening to it given the cost. But the tiny Caravela is made for taking out of the house, no? I think I would keep it in a fur-lined or otherwise soft pouch of some sort in my purse to protect it from scratching. It's not that much different from carrying an iPhone, is it? You keep it protected, but have it with you always. The real question is, how does it perform? Does it utilize mesh or some other method of getting the juice to the coil? I guess all answers will be provided in time.

I'm just amazed at how much there is to learn in the vaping universe.

 

[Baditude]

 

[jefsview]

Shiny.

 

[Absintheur]

Cheapest way to try is the Raven in tank atomizer from Got Vapes, these look like cartomizer but don't have any filler, basically a 510 atty that goes in a tank. I am using them in a couple tanks right now.



Vela Latrina goes on the Caravela, these use a 310 atomizer and I love mine.



Diver uses replaceable cups and coils or you can rebuild coils for them. They work very well in a standard length tank and can be used as a high capacity dripper with the addition of the Grail. Again I really like mine.



Killer 705, another in tank RBA, I like this one well enough to have a couple of them, uses the same coil system as the Diver. I have built coils for my Diver and Killers but honestly the factory replacements are cheap enough I normally just replace with factory.



All of them except for the Raven do take some fiddling but the learning curve is short and all work very well, just depends on how much you want to spend.

 

[jg1986]

I hear you. I don't take my Provari out with me - for one it's too heavy, and of course, I'm worried about something bad happening to it given the cost. But the tiny Caravela is made for taking out of the house, no? I think I would keep it in a fur-lined or otherwise soft pouch of some sort in my purse to protect it from scratching. It's not that much different from carrying an iPhone, is it? You keep it protected, but have it with you always. The real question is, how does it perform? Does it utilize mesh or some other method of getting the juice to the coil? I guess all answers will be provided in time.

I'm just amazed at how much there is to learn in the vaping universe.

The caravela is just the mod. You can put any 510 atomizer or caravela does make the vela latina which is made to screw directly onto the mod without the use of a top cap. All atomizers either use silica, mesh, ss rope, ss cable, ceramic, cotton. I have yet to see a wickless atomizer. The killer 705 uses a wick a coil. The gp paps and the caravela can utilize either 18350, 18490/18500, and 18650 batteries. Almost all mods have the option for different sizes whither it be telescoping or just have different size tubes. If you are looking for something that is a somewhat to a single piece, you might want to look into hybrids. Good luck tracking down a caravela. I was talking to a guy at my local vape shop and he recently sold a "Lucky 13" caravela mod for $2,500. The ordinary caravelas resell at anywhere from $1,000 to $3,000. The manufacturer has said he will only be making 999 caravelas which make them extremely sought after and very expensive on the resell market. There is a company that has recently cloned the caravela. I am not sure how you feel about clones, but that is also an option if you don't care. I honestly feel there are so many more mods that look as sleek as a vela and also perform much better. Take some time and do some research.

EDIT: JC West has a video on youtube where he is doing a contest and giving a caravela. The video was posted a month ago, and the contest is still going on. He will end the contest once the video gets 5,000 views. Heres the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0LVRYxuYFE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

 

[jg1986]

Here are a few more videos with reviews on different devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7GMHBDyl0&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

This is a review on the ihybrid pure. It's affordable and performs well. This a device that has the mod and atomizer as one unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNCvHyG5DHw&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

Here is a review on the AGA-T and AGA-T2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ajpxZHuh8&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

The APS tank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ_RXGjAw0&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

Nemesis review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5AI8Dw30A&list=UUuoEa1ijrv2rKHfxC59bO3g

 

[Vwls]

Thank you, thank you - study material for the night!

 

[Vwls]

Cheapest way to try is the Raven in tank atomizer from Got Vapes, these look like cartomizer but don't have any filler, basically a 510 atty that goes in a tank. I am using them in a couple tanks right now.

Do they call them cartomizers? Because I can't find anything on their site called an "in tank atomizer." Is it this? GotVapes PHOENiX Raven™ Tank 510 Bottom Coil 3.5ml 2.6-2.8ohm [gv-PhoenixRaven-3.5ml-CLEAR] - $9.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

If so, do you have to use that tank? (I'm partial to glass...) I don't really see where you can buy just the atty... can you link me? Sounds like from your post you've got them in something cool?

You have good taste - I'm glad you answered my thread

 

[Baditude]

Sounds like from your post you've got them in something cool?...You have good taste - I'm glad you answered my thread

All of Absintheur's stuff is cool. His entire collection is neat and top-notch stuff, and he often is the first to try new gear.

 

[Vwls]

All atomizers either use silica, mesh, ss rope, ss cable, ceramic, cotton.

What tastes the cleanest? Do mesh, ss rope and ss cable give things a metallic flavor? Is there a downside to ceramic?

I have yet to see a wickless atomizer.

I read about an atomizer with no "bridge" where you just drip straight onto the coil. Did I misunderstand?

Good luck tracking down a caravela. I was talking to a guy at my local vape shop and he recently sold a "Lucky 13" caravela mod for $2,500. The ordinary caravelas resell at anywhere from $1,000 to $3,000. The manufacturer has said he will only be making 999 caravelas which make them extremely sought after and very expensive on the resell market.

It's like a fine painting or sculpture. I wouldn't try for a resell option - I couldn't afford it, and I'm sure the maker does not like the idea of his art being resold for big profits. And I can't blame him. But, where there is a will there is a way... if you truly love something... well... I'll keep dreaming.

I honestly feel there are so many more mods that look as sleek as a vela and also perform much better. Take some time and do some research.

I will my friend - thank you for your insights. Would you share with me the mods you feel are "as sleek as a vela and perform much better"? You definitely peaked my interest with that statement.

 

[Jazzi Mike]

You used the C word and this thread got turned upside down with all kinds of stuff that have not much to do with dripping.

Even when dripping on a pre-made atomizer, it still has silica wick and coil. That is what you are dripping the liquid on. I think the Smoktech Terminator is kind of what you are talking about. It is an atomizer with a tank built around it, so in essence you will be dripping without the mess. However, from what I have read it is very finnicky and does not necessarily perform what it is advertised as. Outside of bottom feeding mods though, you won't find much in respect to your idea. There are contraptions that hold a small bottle on your ecig, so you just drip from it. I don't know much about these either. Your best bet would be to get a good RDA and learn how to build your own coils. These will hold more than the few drops that a 510 atty will hold.

 

[Vwls]

Looks like that's where I'm headed

 

[Vwls]

Vapor Joe has a cheap clone rebuildable in his newsletter - any good? http://.........blogspot.com/2013/07/cloned-guess-whos-next-1599.html?m=1