Genesis atomizer?

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Hi guys....so I've been looking into the kayfun Lite +, as well as the Krakens. I'm leaning toward the KF Lite +, but I keep hearing about and reading about Genesis style atomizers. Can someone explain to me exactly what a Genesis style atomizer is and if it works better than a kayfun or Kraken? Are they easy to set up? Thanks guys!:blush:
 

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Genesis are probably the hardest to dial in with different flavors. I don't like them, but thrasher and several others say they're better than kayfun/vacuum tanks. You can use any form of wick with them. Vertical coil is the most typical build with them, and they can leak from top from laying down.

I recommend the kayfun/vacuum systems or drippers. The taifun gt is being regarded as the best, but I haven't tried it yet.
 

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Both styles have their benefits, but it's all down to the coil you build for them.

Both can be equally as good when set up right.

After lots of experimenting I've found what works for me :

Cotton nano coils in the Kayfuns or Russians, SS rope in the gennies.

For me the RSST is one of the easiest gennies to set up, less fiddly than the aga :)
 

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supersport,

You asked what a Genesis is, so here goes a rather length dissertation (hopefully not repeating what you already know).

A Genesis-style atomizer generally means one that uses stainless steel mesh as a wick for the eliquid to reach the atomizer coil. The mesh is rolled into a tube, oxidized with a butane torch to make it less conductive, dropped down vertically in a tank, and wrapped with a coil of resistance wire on top. Through capillary action, the eliquid rises up the mesh to be vaporized.

Trust me, there is a steep learning curve with them. First, the stainless steel is naturally conductive, and you're wrapping bare resistance wire (Kanthal or nichrome) around it. The oxidization is supposed to remove the conductivity, but even then, shorts (known as "hotspots") are common. Figuring out how many wraps to use, how tight to wrap, how much mesh to use for your wick, center hole or no center hole when rolling your wick... they can be frustrating to figure out with a million opinions on what is best.

That being said, they provide an amazing vape when they are working well. Changing flavors is easy, just clean the wick and recoil. Because of these reasons, I was a die-hard Gennie user for almost a year until I got my first Kayfun (clone).

My gosh... wrap a microcoil around a 1/16th drill bit, pull a little cotton off a cotton ball through it... bam! Copious amounts of clean, flavorful, vapor every single pull. No wicking issues or hotspots to deal with. And cleaning/changing flavors.... empty tank and clean it, pull old cotton out, dry burn the coil a few times, pull fresh cotton through, fill, and vape happy.

They work every bit as good as my Gennies in the flavor/vapor department, with tons less maintenance and frustration.

Go with the Kayfun/KFL. The hype isn't hype... they work really well.

Hope this helps....
 

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Both styles have their benefits, but it's all down to the coil you build for them.

Both can be equally as good when set up right.

After lots of experimenting I've found what works for me :

Cotton nano coils in the Kayfuns or Russians, SS rope in the gennies.

For me the RSST is one of the easiest gennies to set up, less fiddly than the aga :)

^ This, word for word.
 
Both styles have their benefits, but it's all down to the coil you build for them.

Both can be equally as good when set up right.

After lots of experimenting I've found what works for me :

Cotton nano coils in the Kayfuns or Russians, SS rope in the gennies.

For me the RSST is one of the easiest gennies to set up, less fiddly than the aga :)

I agree with this, however I feel I get a more flavorful consistent vape with the kayfun/vacuum style attys building a micro/nano with cotton.
 

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I agree with this, however I feel I get a more flavorful consistent vape with the kayfun/vacuum style attys building a micro/nano with cotton.

Must admit I was exactly the same until I tried SS rope in the aga and the RSST. I've used mesh, silica, ekowool, cotton and rope in the gennies.

I could never get a decent vape from mesh no matter what I did with it.
Silica was ok, but couldn't keep up with chain vaping.
Ekowool was better, but the flavour wasn't quite there yet.
Cotton was amazing with a micro-coil.
Then someome suggested I try SS rope. Tried it first with an ekowool sleeve and regular coil, almost as good as cotton but took a while to heat up. Then tried putting a cotton sleeve on the rope, I was blown away - even better than cotton. At the moment, I've got a 2mm SS rope with a cotton sleeve in the RSST, inside a 2.5mm coil (all wraps touching like a micro). The flavour is amazing. Takes a bit of time to build though.
 

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im a gennie die hard nothing beats it but if your just getting into it maybe a kfl will suit your needs then if you get bored you may want to try a gennie nothing would be worse than for you to get a gennie and not be able to set it up right and then you have nothing to vape , i think some have tried and thought since they have no hotspots then what flavor you got was what you got but it can be dialed in even more now that being said i will admit cotton is awesome but i get tired of replacing it every other day when a mesh wick needs only a weekly cleaning or maybe in 5 days and the wick usually last me at least 4mo
 

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Last week I got my first genesis-style rba, a Siam Cobra that I bought thru the classifieds. The seller did a build for me before he shipped it, so it could use it right out of the box. I was absolutely blown away by the flavor and the vapor richness.

A couple days later, replacement parts arrived for my Kayfun clone, which had broke right after I got it, before I had a chance to do a decent build.

The KF clone is great, really nice flavor and vapor, but the Cobra is off the charts. OTOH, doing a KF build is simple (even for someone like me who is pretty klutzy at making coils), while the genny has fairly steep learning curve for an rba newbie like myself. I tried my first build on it a couple nights ago, and spent 3 or 4 hours without getting a good result. (I was using a Bic to oxidize the mesh, and afterwards I learned that lighters are not the best choice for this procedure. If the mesh isn't oxidized properly, the coil can short out against the wick, which would account for the fatal hot spots I was getting. When I get back to Toronto on Sunday, first thing i'm going to do is hit home depot to buy a torch).

I wonder whether difficulty is maybe why gennies aren't more popular. If my Cobra hadn't come pre-built, i'd be tearing my hair out, and probably starting to think about putting it in a drawer, and just using the KF.

-- glenn
 

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I was just given a cobra clone genesis. I am kinda intrigued by it but the whole mesh thing seems like a massive turn off. You can use different wicks with it? What is SS rope?

Yep you can use silica, ekowool, mesh, cotton or SS rope with it - in fact any type of wick, you'll get different results with different wicks. Some give more flavour, while others give more vapour - all down to personal choice.

This is SS rope (the same stuff used in marine applications, think winch cables) :

http://www.vape-atomizer-mesh.com/p...--7-x-19-Wrie-Cable-Rope---1-Metre--2421.html

You do need a good pair of snips to cut it and it's best to torch it before use, but it will last for ages. Plenty of you-tube vids on using SS rope.
 
Must admit I was exactly the same until I tried SS rope in the aga and the RSST. I've used mesh, silica, ekowool, cotton and rope in the gennies.

I could never get a decent vape from mesh no matter what I did with it.
Silica was ok, but couldn't keep up with chain vaping.
Ekowool was better, but the flavour wasn't quite there yet.
Cotton was amazing with a micro-coil.
Then someome suggested I try SS rope. Tried it first with an ekowool sleeve and regular coil, almost as good as cotton but took a while to heat up. Then tried putting a cotton sleeve on the rope, I was blown away - even better than cotton. At the moment, I've got a 2mm SS rope with a cotton sleeve in the RSST, inside a 2.5mm coil (all wraps touching like a micro). The flavour is amazing. Takes a bit of time to build though.
Yeah I build my RSST with SS rope and a eko wool sleeve on the top, it wicks well and tastes good too. But I guess I'm just a kayfun brat ;p
 

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Yeah I build my RSST with SS rope and a eko wool sleeve on the top, it wicks well and tastes good too. But I guess I'm just a kayfun brat ;p

Rob have you tried brushing a sleeve of cotton onto the SS rope instead of ekowool, it's a bit more fiddly to set up, but does give a bit more flavour than the eko sleeve :)
 
Rob have you tried brushing a sleeve of cotton onto the SS rope instead of ekowool, it's a bit more fiddly to set up, but does give a bit more flavour than the eko sleeve :)
I've seen it been done kind of looks like a q-tip right? But no I haven't maybe next time I'll give that a try :) Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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the Q-tip or hybrid wick is awesome ive tried both ss cable and mesh , i tend to give the mesh a slight edge over the cable but when doing the hybrid wick i have found if you use too much cotton it will not give you the maximum flavor so pull your cotton till it looks like strands of hair and roll the strands the same direction as your coil , i found if you wrap it on unoxidized mesh where it is still transparent and barely starts to turn white is the best hope this helps
 

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I've seen it been done kind of looks like a q-tip right? But no I haven't maybe next time I'll give that a try :) Thanks for the suggestion.

That's the idea, you want just enough cotton to cover the rope, just to the point where you can only just still see the rope underneath. You'll know if there's too much cotton on it, cos it won't thread in the coil and just bunch up.

williebb123's method sounds like a good one too.
 
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