Genisis LV and Box Kronos

[Deadite]

I forgot to ask what's the voltage range on the Genisis LV.
I know we get to set up the ohms on the atty so I've just assumed 3.7 to as high as I want to try is adequate.
But I do have a ego battery and I know they are particular about the atty used and again I've assumed that 2 to 3 ohms will work on it.
Have I made a fool of myself? Or are my assumptions ok?

Thank you.

 

[lexi60]

Just from my experience.
Those using ego and similar batteries, with no genesis experience, you'd better be willing to lose some.
You will get shorts, it will fry them.
Until you figure it out,
Not trying to scare anyone. Just sayin...
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[Deadite]

Ah then I'll use my mods to work on the Genesis until I get it right.
Thank you for the information.

P.S. I have never let the magic smoke out of an electronic device... Nooooo, never, no way.... pifft
Oh, ok maybe a few things...

 

[Quick1]

Ah then I'll use my mods to work on the Genesis until I get it right.
Thank you for the information.

Yes. Use something with a protected battery to get them setup. I rarely get dead shorts but when I wrap a new coil and wick I usually spend a bit of time doing little instant test fires. Instant glow, nudge coil on wick a bit, repeat until good. Ten or so drags after that and it's all "seasoned" and usually good for months or more.

 

[Tai Pan]

The most important thing is the oxidation of the mesh. Than the resistance should not be below 2 Ohms. Above that you can do what you want. I have always approx. 2,2 Ohm and vape with 3,7 Volts.

A lot of our members use eGo batteries. You just have to make sure that you don't have a shortcut or something below 2 Ohm.
The problem with the eGo battery is, that the electronic regulates at something around 3.2 V. That is often not enough.

You shall only use protected batteries with the mods. In the worst case the battery switches off.

 

[Deadite]

The most important thing is the oxidation of the mesh. Than the resistance should not be below 2 Ohms. Above that you can do what you want. I have always approx. 2,2 Ohm and vape with 3,7 Volts.

A lot of our members use eGo batteries. You just have to make sure that you don't have a shorcut or something below 2 Ohm.
The problem with the eGo battery is, that the elctronic regualtes at something around 3.2 V. That is often not enough.

Thank you Tai Pan I was wondering about the low end of the voltage. I suspected the eGo put out a bit lower voltage than my mods were. I'd hate to setup the atty for 3.7v on my power supply, get it just right only to have nothing happen on the eGo.

Yeah I'm currently using an 18650 2200mAh battery from a laptop with a protection circuit like this one.

 

[Quick1]

hmmm, I vape a bit differently than most... I just inhale instead of drawing a mouthful and then inhaling that. For that, I've got a relatively huge air hole and I wrap my coils for 1.6Ω. Large volumes of dense vapor with a lot of TH and it keeps up with the mini hurricane of air getting drawn over the coil (full lungfull in 3 seconds or less). An AW 18650 2600 mAh protected keeps up just fine. A AW 14500 750mAh is right on the edge -- doesn't trip the protection circuit but it doesn't quite do the job like the 2600 mAh. That's the whole thing with the Genisis. You can adjust anything for any effect you want.

 

[Quick1]

Thank you Tai Pan I was wondering about the low end of the voltage. I suspected the eGo put out a bit lower voltage than my mods were. I'd hate to setup the atty for 3.7v on my power supply, get it just right only to have nothing happen on the eGo.

Yeah I'm currently using an 18650 2200mAh battery from a laptop with a protection circuit like this one.

You could come pretty close by calculating.

Tai-Pan was saying that the constraints when using an eGo battery are that it produces 3.2v and you don't want to go below 2Ω because the eGo can't supply the current.

3.2v @ 2Ω == 1.6A ==> 5.12 watts

So that's about your max on an eGo battery.
To set up the genisis on your 18650 setup measure voltage across the coil. It's not going to change much while you adjust things.
Then fiddle until you get the vape you like.
Then measure Ωs at the battery connector of the Genisis.
Now you have the vape you want and you know the voltage and the resistance.
Check to see if the current draw is 1.6A or less: I = V/R
If you are in bounds for the eGo then adjust your coil for the resistance to get the same current draw with 3.2v (probably take off a wrap or two).
R = 3.2/I (I from above)
Check for shorts to the wick and operation on your 18650 setup (short bursts since it will be hotter with the greater voltage).
Put Genisis on your eGo and you will have the vape you prefer.

 

[Deadite]

You could come pretty close by calculating.

Tai-Pan was saying that the constraints when using an eGo battery are that it produces 3.2v and you don't want to go below 2Ω because the eGo can't supply the current.

3.2v @ 2Ω == 1.6A ==> 5.12 watts

So that's about your max on an eGo battery.
To set up the genisis on your 18650 setup measure voltage across the coil. It's not going to change much while you adjust things.
Then fiddle until you get the vape you like.
Then measure Ωs at the battery connector of the Genisis.
Now you have the vape you want and you know the voltage and the resistance.
Check to see if the current draw is 1.6A or less: I = V/R
If you are in bounds for the eGo then adjust your coil for the resistance to get the same current draw with 3.2v (probably take off a wrap or two).
R = 3.2/I (I from above)
Check for shorts to the wick and operation on your 18650 setup (short bursts since it will be hotter with the greater voltage).
Put Genisis on your eGo and you will have the vape you prefer.

Yep ohms law comes in handy with these.
I like the way you think, thank you Quick1.

 

[totaltechsvc]

You could come pretty close by calculating.

Tai-Pan was saying that the constraints when using an eGo battery are that it produces 3.2v and you don't want to go below 2Ω because the eGo can't supply the current.

3.2v @ 2Ω == 1.6A ==> 5.12 watts

So that's about your max on an eGo battery.
To set up the genisis on your 18650 setup measure voltage across the coil. It's not going to change much while you adjust things.
Then fiddle until you get the vape you like.
Then measure Ωs at the battery connector of the Genisis.
Now you have the vape you want and you know the voltage and the resistance.
Check to see if the current draw is 1.6A or less: I = V/R
If you are in bounds for the eGo then adjust your coil for the resistance to get the same current draw with 3.2v (probably take off a wrap or two).
R = 3.2/I (I from above)
Check for shorts to the wick and operation on your 18650 setup (short bursts since it will be hotter with the greater voltage).
Put Genisis on your eGo and you will have the vape you prefer.

Ive also noticed that the coil may glow at first however, as the coil conditions a lower ohm & lower voltage it does go away.

 

[Quick1]

Ive also noticed that the coil may glow at first however, as the coil conditions a lower ohm & lower voltage it does go away.

Usually that happens if the wick isn't oxidized well enough at first (almost always for me). Current only passes through a very short length of the coil from the terminal to the contact point on the wick. With some use the wick gets more coated/oxidized with cooked juice and no longer conducts. Assuming no shorts to the wick the resistance of your coil will not change. I wrapped my last one at 1.6Ω about 2 months ago. Roughly 1.5ml of juice through it daily for a couple of months and it's still at 1.6Ω. I usually end up nudging the coil up or down a bit at the contact point to get over a better spot on the wick. Sometimes with initial use it maybe moves back and I have to do it again. Never happens again after going through the first 1 - 3ml of use.

 

[totaltechsvc]

Usually that happens if the wick isn't oxidized well enough at first (almost always for me). Current only passes through a very short length of the coil from the terminal to the contact point on the wick. With some use the wick gets more coated/oxidized with cooked juice and no longer conducts. Assuming no shorts to the wick the resistance of your coil will not change. I wrapped my last one at 1.6Ω about 2 months ago. Roughly 1.5ml of juice through it daily for a couple of months and it's still at 1.6Ω. I usually end up nudging the coil up or down a bit at the contact point to get over a better spot on the wick. Sometimes with initial use it maybe moves back and I have to do it again. Never happens again after going through the first 1 - 3ml of use.

woops sorry, I didn't mean that my ohms (much like what you are running 1.6) is changing rather that when I wrap a coil at a lower ohms (2.0Ω and under), even with a used well oxidized mesh the fresh kenthal will glow until conditioned.

 

[Quick1]

woops sorry, I didn't mean that my ohms (much like what you are running 1.6) is changing rather that when I wrap a coil at a lower ohms (2.0Ω and under), even with a used well oxidized mesh the fresh kenthal will glow until conditioned.

Yes, mine will do that without a decent airflow over it. There is *significant* airflow over it when I inhale (lol). I prefer the hotter coil for the TH and the volume/density at high air flow (yes, the wick keeps up with the thick VG I'm using). A nice side effect of the higher temps/volume is that the coil and wick doesn't cake up like they used to at lower temp/volume. Used to be it would generate a sort of cocoon around the wick and coil. So every week or two, rather than clean it, I would replace them. Now it goes months/indefinitely.

 

[ainako]

Looks like I got me a pair

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[ainako]

Are there any videos of the LV I can watch while we wait?

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[Nitroturtle]

Uwe, could you tell me what type of material the small jars are made from? Will we be okay using cinnamon juices in the GLV?

 

[lexi60]

Uwe, could you tell me what type of material the small jars are made from? Will we be okay using cinnamon juices in the GLV?

Glass bottle, plastic lid.

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[Turbo]

Are there any videos of the LV I can watch while we wait?

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Here's one, could be more but haven't searched:

 

[debb]

Yes. Use something with a protected battery to get them setup. I rarely get dead shorts but when I wrap a new coil and wick I usually spend a bit of time doing little instant test fires. Instant glow, nudge coil on wick a bit, repeat until good. Ten or so drags after that and it's all "seasoned" and usually good for months or more.

hoping a step by step comes out....I will wait for one to build mine...lol

 

[Chingas]

Here's one, could be more but haven't searched:

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