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lotus14

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If these ever become certified devices, then and only then can we hope for recommendations to e-smoke from doctors. We're a long way from that day.

Not true, TBob. My mother's doctor not only suggested she try a PV, he SOLD her one. He's a part-time supplier. The only other people I know who use PVs heard about them from their doctors or their friends who heard about them from their doctors.

It is not our job to prove e-smoking safety. It is the manufacturers' job. Let them do their job if they want to continue profiting from their products.

No, but it is our job to use every available means to slow the FDA's rush to judgment. Encouraging our doctors to become more informed and then to contact the FDA with their opinions and experiences may help.

You sound as if we should all just sit on our hands and hope someone will save us. I think we should be using every bullet we can find, and if we can't find one of those, then throw a rock!

Anything we can do to buy time so the manufacturers can do scientific studies, change advertising, labeling, etc., to satisfy whatever the FDA comes up with is a step in the right direction.

If you want to keep your "Right to vape," then do something about it! Anything. And btw, whining about your rights being taken away on this forum without offering something constructive is one of the least effective things I can think of.
 

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Lotus, a doctor who would foist an unapproved device like ours on a patient -- and collect money for it -- might find himself/herself under scrutiny for removal of license. What does anyone really know about e-devices and liquid? I mean really know. And a doctor must meet a much higher standard than some burned out cig smoker wanting to quit or vape in public. A discussion about e-cigs by a doctor might be warranted. Selling them? I think not.

There is no "right to vape," by the way. It's always with permission of a property owner. So trash that phrase, since it's meaningless.

Over the past many months, I worked in sending multiple missives to the FDA and politicians -- and we lost this battle. The war isn't over, but we lost this battle big time. The next battle will come over the next decade, for harm reduction. I'll be working toward that goal. And I'll do it with my feet firmly on the ground, based in reality, not dreams and not throwing rocks at regulators.
 

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Lotus, a doctor who would foist an unapproved device like ours on a patient -- and collect money for it -- might find himself/herself under scrutiny for removal of license. What does anyone really know about e-devices and liquid? I mean really know. And a doctor must meet a much higher standard than some burned out cig smoker wanting to quit or vape in public. A discussion about e-cigs by a doctor might be warranted. Selling them? I think not.

There is no "right to vape," by the way. It's always with permission of a property owner. So trash that phrase, since it's meaningless.

Over the past many months, I worked in sending multiple missives to the FDA and politicians -- and we lost this battle. The war isn't over, but we lost this battle big time. The next battle will come over the next decade, for harm reduction. I'll be working toward that goal. And I'll do it with my feet firmly on the ground, based in reality, not dreams and not throwing rocks at regulators.

TB, if you want to take my "throw a rock" comment out of context and pretend that you're more firmly based in reality than I am, then fine. Not sure what "dreams" you think I'm having. I'm obviously just saying we should use every legal means we can to slow or prevent a ban. But whatever makes you happy. I think you just like to argue ;-)

Do you really believe that getting as many doctors as possible to contact the FDA in support of PVs would not be of some help? Is that your reality?

I agree that many scientific studies need to be done to verify and improve the safety of e-cigs. But I think the available evidence supports the belief - held by many doctors - that PVs are much safer to use than tobacco cigarettes.

As for my "Right to Vape," of course I don't have a right to use my device wherever I choose. Never said I did. However, I know I have a right to vape where I am not bothering anyone. Like in my own home. I will continue to have that right until the government makes doing so explicitly illegal. I will not "trash that phrase." That's the right we should all be fighting for, freedom of choice.

As for my mom's doctor, he's a good one. Perhaps he's putting his patient's health ahead of his potential liability.

My mother lives with me so I can help take care of her. She is 70 years old, has COPD, and has smoked 2-3 packs a day since she was 14 years old. She has tried every method I know of to quit and always gone back to the cigs. The sound of her cough every morning, and several times during the day, was unbelievable. It sounded like she was wretching so hard her insides were turning out - sometimes for 5 or even 10 minutes at a time. For me, listening to that sound, it's seemed like forever. She simply couldn't expel the gunk building up in her lungs.

After 5 weeks on the PV, 90% of that cough is gone. For right now, that's all the scientific evidence I need. And I thank her doctor with all my heart every time her coughing spells abate, and each day that I see her with more color and energy than she's had in years.

That's my reality.
 

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lotus14--
As for my mom's doctor, he's a good one. Perhaps he's putting his patient's health ahead of his potential liability.

My mother lives with me so I can help take care of her. She is 70 years old, has COPD, and has smoked 2-3 packs a day since she was 14 years old. She has tried every method I know of to quit and always gone back to the cigs. The sound of her cough every morning, and several times during the day, was unbelievable. It sounded like she was wretching so hard her insides were turning out - sometimes for 5 or even 10 minutes at a time. For me, listening to that sound, it's seemed like forever. She simply couldn't expel the gunk building up in her lungs.

After 5 weeks on the PV, 90% of that cough is gone. For right now, that's all the scientific evidence I need. And I thank her doctor with all my heart every time her coughing spells abate, and each day that I see her with more color and energy than she's had in years.
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I am so thrilled to hear this news for your mom! I would love to hear how the progress continues for her. I think this is SO important!!!
I've subscribed to this thread so I hope everyone who gets good reports from their doc visits can share their progress or ? whatever pops up.
 
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If something is helping someone, why would you want to stop doctors from giving it to them? Where would we be if doctors didnt take chances with new and unproven methods. We would all be drinking unpasteurized mill, small pox running rampant along with polio and other equally terrible diseases. We would still be in caves using flint rocks to start a fire if people didnt take a chance and do something "different"

I know my doctor is doing the right thing. I am no longer at stroke and heart attack levels with my BP and HR and my wheezing is gone. I am thankful my doctor had an open mind, wasn't afraid to try something new and gave me the go ahead with the ecig.
 

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If something is helping someone, why would you want to stop doctors from giving it to them? Where would we be if doctors didnt take chances with new and unproven methods. We would all be drinking unpasteurized mill, small pox running rampant along with polio and other equally terrible diseases. We would still be in caves using flint rocks to start a fire if people didnt take a chance and do something "different"

I know my doctor is doing the right thing. I am no longer at stroke and heart attack levels with my BP and HR and my wheezing is gone. I am thankful my doctor had an open mind, wasn't afraid to try something new and gave me the go ahead with the ecig.

Jules-wish I knew of a good open minded doc here in Phoenix. I still have to hunt for a new one.
I love this thread and hope you continue to post your progress. I have only been smoke free a couple of weeks but feel better already.
 

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Hi all, I know I'm a noob but I have been lurking for a few months and vaping for five months.
I work at a major teaching and research hospital and about a week ago I handed some reference materials to our chief scientist. Just when I thought she had discarded the notion she came into my office today and told me she is going to see if anyone else is doing formal safety research and if there's no one she said she'll try to acquire funding. The really good news is this is a DoD hospital. If we were to prove vaping is safe we could save the DoD millions in healthcare dollars and improve the readiness of our troops. The DoD isn't influenced by the pharmaceutical or tobacco companies, they have only a single mission: keep our fighting forces ready to go to war.
I am excited at the prospect of being a part of the studies (if it happens) and thought the folks here may be interested.
 

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Thanks to everyone for the support:)

Mom is still doing better a little each day. We're doing our best to stockpile with our limited resources. Hopefully she (and I!) won't be driven back to analogs by the FDA.

sgtcody:
Very interesting stuff. Let us all know how it plays out. Any scientific evidence showing PVs to be safer than tobacco cigarettes would be a huge boost to the cause :thumb:
 

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Sgtcody, that is indeed great news.

Apropos of the topic, the evidence is continually mounting that more and more respected doctors and institutions are becoming very interested in the tremendous harm reduction potential of ecigs. One example is that back in April, forum member Redrose posted that the experts at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in NYC were also looking into ecigs, and were excited about pursuing further study of their use.

Here's that thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...3174-great-news-powerhouse-e-cigs-me-too.html

I hope you keep us posted on the DoD progress with this.
 

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Sgtcody, what research center? I go to a military clinic MAFB MT and my Dr. is very excited about my using the e-cig and I wondered if it would help if I gave him the name of the research center and maybe he could forward a recommendation also, or even my medical records if it would help?

Wow... Malmstrom huh.... bleh, I got command leveled and had to choose between there and Holloman (from Mountain Home). I didn't want to be Red Horse so I went to Holloman. Now I'm in San Antonio and a civilian :D.
As for your PCM, I think the best thing you could do is provide him/her some information and ask him/her to ping the scientific community. Don't make much of a big deal about it. I haven't gone to any M.D.s for a reason. Even if your PCM is happy with PVs, the commander may go the other way and disallow them completely (you know, the gym-rat, marathon types). The word of a commander banning a product on base will spread WAY faster than the word that scientific research is being done and it will set off a chain reaction of "me-too". I know our scientists will be completely impartial until they have preliminary results. However, I doubt these folks will look at PVs as an R&D opportunity. If they find something unsafe about vaping in it's current form they will like stop research and move on to the next pill/patch/inhaler/voodoo. I could be wrong but I am prepared for bad news too. I know TropicalBob will agree that we shouldn't be blind to the fact that just because our liquid is "safe" doesn't mean that it remains safe once it's heated and inhaled. Crazy stuff happens to compounds when one heats them. No matter how safe our research shows vaping to be it will only be in it's most basic form: PG+nicotine+heat. They will recommend regulation and testing on every flavor from every supplier. Any conclusion will mean at least some inconvenience for most of us for several years as suppliers get approval. Right TB?
 

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Absolutely right. Each cocktail combination is a "new drug". One formula will not usher in all the flavored e-liquids that we use today. But I'm very excited about the possibilities here and hope the study proceeds.

"Inconvenience" is what I've called "bumps in the road ahead." They are coming. E-smoking will ultimately prevail. But that does not mean we're all going to be happy campers on this trip. Hang on.
 

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Absolutely right. Each cocktail combination is a "new drug". One formula will not usher in all the flavored e-liquids that we use today. But I'm very excited about the possibilities here and hope the study proceeds.

"Inconvenience" is what I've called "bumps in the road ahead." They are coming. E-smoking will ultimately prevail. But that does not mean we're all going to be happy campers on this trip. Hang on.

Wow that's one of the most positive posts I have seen you make TB. things must be looking up..:) I certainly think that all these chemical cocktails of different flavours is something that will slow the process down.
 
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My Doctor said" I really don't see how E-cigs can be any worse for you than other "Nicotine replacement therapies!" "If fact this is better because you alone can regulate the intake yourself!" I used to have a 130ish over 90ish Blood pressure when I was a smoker.Last Friday I had a follow up visit and my Blood Pressure was 118/68!!
WOW! It is because of the E-Cig.My metabolism rate is higher,my energy level is about 300% more,no more Cigastink! I am now easily accepted in "non-smoking" circles!
I just wish they would have had E-cigs 25 years ago!!!
I now truly have my life back because of E-Cigs!!!!
Just to let me know if anyone can read this....Could I have a/any comment?
 
All we can do as users of the PV's is spread the word of our own stories and benifits. We don't need a doctor to recomend it to us, but we can certainly recomend it others and let our doctors see the benifits first hand by seeing us on a regular basis to determine the effects of vaping and being off the analogs.

They may come up with some con's in the proccess and so be it. We do need to know the risks as well as the benifits. Keep posting your stories and don't forget to talk to your doctors. If you are getting any tests done that you have had before, ask how the previous results compare to now and if the PV's could have anything to do with it? Make the doctor look at the possibility. You may be the first one he's seen recover phisically from smoking analogs from the use of PV's and you may be the only ambassador to our community he sees.
 

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"Inconvenience" is what I've called "bumps in the road ahead." They are coming. E-smoking will ultimately prevail. But that does not mean we're all going to be happy campers on this trip. Hang on.

My hubby and I were talking about the very same thing. We both think the ecig will win in the end but we are in for a uphill battle all way and everyone needs to be prepared for it. No new "contraption" has ever been easily accepted, especially anything that has to do with health. So everyone needs to get the survival gear on and be ready.


My Doctor said" I really don't see how E-cigs can be any worse for you than other "Nicotine replacement therapies!" "If fact this is better because you alone can regulate the intake yourself!" I used to have a 130ish over 90ish Blood pressure when I was a smoker.Last Friday I had a follow up visit and my Blood Pressure was 118/68!!
WOW! It is because of the E-Cig.My metabolism rate is higher,my energy level is about 300% more,no more Cigastink! I am now easily accepted in "non-smoking" circles!
I just wish they would have had E-cigs 25 years ago!!!
I now truly have my life back because of E-Cigs!!!!
Just to let me know if anyone can read this....Could I have a/any comment?

I started vaping on April 10th. I had went to the doc just a couple days afterwards. My BP was 230/110 and my heart rate was in the 130's. I take a beta blocker twice a day and a BP pill twice a day and it was still that high. We have been trying to get it down to normal since October! We talked about the ecig and he looked it up and decided it couldn't be any worse for me than what I was already going thru so he gave me the go ahead on it. After another week of vaping, taking the same dosage of meds I had been taking for 3 months, it finally started coming down. By my next monthly visit everything was down to normal! I still have to take meds right now but who knows, that may change one day too.

I start seeing a pulmonologist in August and I will be sure to get a copy of all reports and keep records so we can see how things are adjusting. Maybe we can help someone else this way.
 
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